FTR, the middle of the tube dumped him into a second tube, which then dumped him out to the antenna.
Right.
That still makes it one very impractical waste disposal system though.
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Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
ZkinandBonez said:
Luke got sucked into a tube in which he slid down to, not the end of the tube, but some point in the middle which happened to have a hatch that then dumped him on top of one of Cloud City’s antennas. That’s a pretty crappy waste disposal system. Imagine all the broken antennas, and all the crap that didn’t slide down and land precisely on that one hatch. Where does all that go then? To another antenna somewhere else? No, I have to strongly disagree, it is a very “bizarre thing,” that is if you have to attribute some engineering logic to it, which you really don’t. And if it does have a purpose, than I doubt that waste disposal is the answer.
There is nothing wrong with waste disposal system. Blame the guy who installed an antenna near its exit. That is like inserting an antenna into the car’s exhaust pipe and then complaining about engineering of car’s exhaust system.
Wexter said:
Incredible. You’d really make a brilliant screenwriter.
Indeed. At least compared to ZkinandBonez whose writing principle would be “I will only make this thing for the sake of plot”.
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FTR, the middle of the tube dumped him into a second tube, which then dumped him out to the antenna.
Right.
That still makes it one very impractical waste disposal system though.
Regardless, the lightsaber falling to Bespin makes sense…as do many other theories. They’re all theories, however, because nothing definitive was ever shown in the movie. Too bad impscum doesn’t understand this, so we go round and round, second verse same as the first.
TV’s Frink said:
Regardless, the lightsaber falling to Bespin makes sense…as do many other theories. They’re all theories, however, because nothing definitive was ever shown in the movie. Too bad impscum doesn’t understand this, so we go round and round, second verse same as the first.
I guess as an engineer I have to admit that no system is 100% reliable. The lightsabre could be missed. And let’s assume the big main shaft had no purpose (such as city stabilisation, etc.) and at the bottom there was simply an empty floor.
Okay then, let’s go to the point. The lightsabre ending up in Rey’s hand at exactly that particular moment is not only practically impossible but also stupid and unoriginal from the story perspective. It is about hundred times more stupid than any OT-connecting point in PT. All we need now is Rey being Skywalker/Solo and the PT will look like masterpiece.
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Wexter said:
Incredible. You’d really make a brilliant screenwriter.Indeed. At least compared to ZkinandBonez whose writing principle would be “I will only make this thing for the sake of plot”.
Yeah, plot is always the stoopidest parts of a movie. I am guessing you prefer to go by “I will make this thing because I said so. Trust me, I’m an engineer.”
ZkinandBonez said:
Luke got sucked into a tube in which he slid down to, not the end of the tube, but some point in the middle which happened to have a hatch that then dumped him on top of one of Cloud City’s antennas. That’s a pretty crappy waste disposal system. Imagine all the broken antennas, and all the crap that didn’t slide down and land precisely on that one hatch. Where does all that go then? To another antenna somewhere else? No, I have to strongly disagree, it is a very “bizarre thing,” that is if you have to attribute some engineering logic to it, which you really don’t. And if it does have a purpose, than I doubt that waste disposal is the answer.There is nothing wrong with waste disposal system. Blame the guy who installed an antenna near its exit. That is like inserting an antenna into the car’s exhaust pipe and then complaining about engineering of car’s exhaust system.
I’d say that’s a bigger stretch of the imagination than it being something else than a waste disposal system.
Wexter said:
Incredible. You’d really make a brilliant screenwriter.Indeed. At least compared to ZkinandBonez whose writing principle would be “I will only make this thing for the sake of plot”.
Well, first of all I’m not saying that you can do absolutely anything for the sake of moving the plot forward, but when your setting is a floating city in a space-fantasy in a “a galaxy far, far away” you can get away with quite a lot.
Secondly SW is filled with these “logical” errors. Take the tractor beam in ANH. Obi-Wan manages to take down the entire Death Star’s tractor beam system by disabling 1 of 7 reactors, which btw are placed over a seemingly bottomless pit without any for of railings what-so-ever, or any form of security (you know like a password or something). Now that’s some pretty crappy engineering. However, do I care, no. Do most people care, not really. Most people don’t even think about it. It’s weird, but this isn’t meant to be realistic, so why bother complaining about it. And being able to get away with stuff like that is in my opinion some pretty clever writing on Lucas’ part.
And yes, I do realize I’m over explaining this, but I just don’t follow this whole “it all has to make perfect sense” thing.
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Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
Wexter said:
Incredible. You’d really make a brilliant screenwriter.Indeed. At least compared to ZkinandBonez whose writing principle would be “I will only make this thing for the sake of plot”.
Yeah, plot is always the stoopidest parts of a movie. I am guessing you prefer to go by “I will make this thing because I said so. Trust me, I’m an engineer.”
No I would go by “I will make this as it is required by plot but I will make it logical”.
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Wexter said:
Incredible. You’d really make a brilliant screenwriter.Indeed. At least compared to ZkinandBonez whose writing principle would be “I will only make this thing for the sake of plot”.
Yeah, plot is always the stoopidest parts of a movie. I am guessing you prefer to go by “I will make this thing because I said so. Trust me, I’m an engineer.”
No I would go by “I will make this as it is required by plot but I will make it logical”.
Then ZkinandBonez said it best. Logic has always played a second fiddle at best in Star Wars. The same goes for “originality”. Those are not the elements that make a great Star Wars movie, unless you consider most of the OT utterly terrible.
The problem is that some people are willing to cut the OT much bigger slack that they are willing to do for TFA. In that case any discussion is pointless.
TV’s Frink said:
Regardless, the lightsaber falling to Bespin makes sense…as do many other theories. They’re all theories, however, because nothing definitive was ever shown in the movie. Too bad impscum doesn’t understand this, so we go round and round, second verse same as the first.I guess as an engineer I have to admit that no system is 100% reliable. The lightsabre could be missed. And let’s assume the big main shaft had no purpose (such as city stabilisation, etc.) and at the bottom there was simply an empty floor.
Okay then, let’s go to the point. The lightsabre ending up in Rey’s hand at exactly that particular moment is not only practically impossible but also stupid and unoriginal from the story perspective. It is about hundred times more stupid than any OT-connecting point in PT. All we need now is Rey being Skywalker/Solo and the PT will look like masterpiece.
You are ignoring the part where Yoda professes his love for Chewie. Nothing can possibly be as stupid as that.
TV’s Frink said:
Regardless, the lightsaber falling to Bespin makes sense…as do many other theories. They’re all theories, however, because nothing definitive was ever shown in the movie. Too bad impscum doesn’t understand this, so we go round and round, second verse same as the first.I guess as an engineer I have to admit that no system is 100% reliable. The lightsabre could be missed. And let’s assume the big main shaft had no purpose (such as city stabilisation, etc.) and at the bottom there was simply an empty floor.
Okay then, let’s go to the point. The lightsabre ending up in Rey’s hand at exactly that particular moment is not only practically impossible but also stupid and unoriginal from the story perspective. It is about hundred times more stupid than any OT-connecting point in PT. All we need now is Rey being Skywalker/Solo and the PT will look like masterpiece.
You are ignoring the part where Yoda professes his love for Chewie. Nothing can possibly be as stupid as that.
So was naively thought until we saw TFA.
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Sounds reasonable.
TV’s Frink said:
Regardless, the lightsaber falling to Bespin makes sense…as do many other theories. They’re all theories, however, because nothing definitive was ever shown in the movie. Too bad impscum doesn’t understand this, so we go round and round, second verse same as the first.I guess as an engineer I have to admit that no system is 100% reliable. The lightsabre could be missed. And let’s assume the big main shaft had no purpose (such as city stabilisation, etc.) and at the bottom there was simply an empty floor.
Okay then, let’s go to the point. The lightsabre ending up in Rey’s hand at exactly that particular moment is not only practically impossible but also stupid and unoriginal from the story perspective. It is about hundred times more stupid than any OT-connecting point in PT. All we need now is Rey being Skywalker/Solo and the PT will look like masterpiece.
You are ignoring the part where Yoda professes his love for Chewie. Nothing can possibly be as stupid as that.
So was naively thought until we saw TFA.
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Welp, Episode VIII’s release date is now December 15, 2017.
http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-viii-to-open-december-15-2017?cmp=smc|339573415&linkId=20528616
I’m not super surprised because I heard shooting had been pushed back a couple months due to script changes. I can imagine the release and response of TFA probably has something to do with changing certain things about VIII.
I guess this is a good thing because they’re spending more time on it but… I was really excited that we only had to wait a year and four months for the next chapter. Now it’s almost a full two years! Whatever will I do??
I’m all for it. I was worried that the rapid-fire release schedule would rob these movies of their specialness. I’m happy to let them breathe a little bit. A saga film every other year and spinoffs in between is more than enough. Plus, there’s something nice about the “every year at Christmas” format. It makes me think fondly about seeing the LOTR movies in middle school.
Great, I get to freeze my ass off on opening night again. 😉
Where were you in '77?
Not much solid info here, but some of it was kind of interesting;
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/01/the-rumored-cast-of-star-wars-episode-viii.html
Apart from Trevorrow confirming that both Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher will be in ep. IX, plus the already discussed re-appearance of Harrison Ford, it seems that Max Von Sydow might return as well.
People have already speculated how Han may make an appearance in a flash-back, a hologram, or even as a Force ghost (the last one I personally don’t buy), but I guess it’s not out of the question that Lor San Tekka might appear as a ghost, being that he clearly has some relationship with the Jedi and the Force, and that he was referred to as the “vicar” early on. Or both Han and Tekka might be showed into another Force-flash-back scene alongside a bunch of other stuff.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
Not much solid info here, but some of it was kind of interesting;
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/01/the-rumored-cast-of-star-wars-episode-viii.htmlApart from Trevorrow confirming that both Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher will be in ep. IX, plus the already discussed re-appearance of Harrison Ford, it seems that Max Von Sydow might return as well.
If so that confirms that full fledged flashbacks will be used as a story device in further movies. In my opinion it’s something Star Wars needs.
People have already speculated how Han may make an appearance in a flash-back, a hologram, or even as a Force ghost (the last one I personally don’t buy)
Or in a hallucination. Kylo Ren is mentally unstable.
Han could also simply be a manifestation of Ben’s conscience beginning to gnaw away at him. There’s going to be a “morning after” moment when the impact of what he’s done catches up with him, and his inner conflict still remains.
Where were you in '77?
People have already speculated how Han may make an appearance in a flash-back, a hologram, or even as a Force ghost (the last one I personally don’t buy)
Or in a hallucination. Kylo Ren is mentally unstable.
That could actually be really interesting. It could also be a Force related thing as well, kinda like Luke’s “vision” of Vader on Dagobah. The ep. VIII script has already been described as being “weird” so it’s not impossible. If this is the case I really hope Johnson does something really dark and surreal. This is going to be the ESB of the ST after all.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.
The fact that Episode VIII has been delayed to December means that there’s room for something else for the 40th anniversary.
I don’t think I’m alone in saying that this would be a really, really good time for a re-release of the original trilogy.
Win all the fans over, get people hyped for the next movie… why not?
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^I’ve been thinking they’ll release the OOT on the 40th for some time now. It might make even more sense now that the two (OOT and VIII) won’t be competing for the spotlight at the same time.
The funny thing is the Memorial Day tradition was really not missed at all. In fact, TFA fit into the holiday season like a glove. Christmas is where Star Wars was originally intended to be, and now we know Christmas is where Star Wars was truly meant to be and will continue to be (? IX and Solo are still slated for summer).
I’m sure Disney didn’t mind the change at all. Summer is where sequels go to cash in on their opening weeks and then die so other sequels can take their place. The weekend before Christmas is the perfect time for a special event film like Star Wars (this franchise is a different beast than others) where it can have a month of box office revenues all to itself.
As someone who didn’t know what Episode VIII’s release date was before this, I have to say I am not bothered by it.
In fact I just assumed that Episode VIII would not be coming out until December 2018, since once a Star Wars series has started the films have always come out every three years, so this just means that the movie is coming out a year earlier then I thought it would.
Also the fact that Disney is willing to delay the movie I think says something good about how they are treating the franchise right now. It says that in the short term at least, they are not going to rush a film out the door just to meet a release date and I think this should be a standard applied to all movies and games at least. I really don’t want to pay the $17 it will likely cost to get into a movie by the time this comes out only to find the movie full of half baked ideas and feeling unfinished.
I have had a ton of problems with Nintendo in recent years, still I remember something someone there once said in an interview in a magazine and I think it holds true in this case. “A delayed game can still be good at some point, an unfinished game is bad forever.”
This doesn’t bother me one bit and in fact the delay fills me with hope for the future of this trilogy.
My ratings for the Star Wars movies. EP1 4.5/10. Ep2 4.0/10. EP3 2.0/10. EP4 9.5/10. EP5 10/10 EP6 8.5/10 EP7 8.3/10.
I saw the delay coming a long time ago. I knew there was no way they would release two Star Wars movies in the span of 6 months. I also knew that they’d probably want a consistent release time between the movies, and a new SW film every year is incredible. I’m sure IX and The Young Han Solo Adventures will be pushed to December of their respective years as well.
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People have already speculated how Han may make an appearance in a flash-back, a hologram, or even as a Force ghost (the last one I personally don’t buy)
Or in a hallucination. Kylo Ren is mentally unstable.
It could also be a Force related thing as well, kinda like Luke’s “vision” of Vader on Dagobah.
As long as it’s just an illusion and not a ghost I’ll be cool. If Han is to appear in Episode VIII I’d rather it either be in flashback form, a hologram message to Leia and/or Chewie or a hallucination. I want for his deteriorating mental state to play a part in his overall arc. In general I hope he’s kept a layered character and not bogged down due to impatient people bitching about him so much.
The ep. VIII script has already been described as being “weird” so it’s not impossible.
Star Wars is a weird franchise and I’ve heard that something that has never been done in Star Wars is happening in this film so anything is possible.
If this is the case I really hope Johnson does something really dark and surreal.
John Boyega said that Episode VIII would be darker.
People have already speculated how Han may make an appearance in a flash-back, a hologram, or even as a Force ghost (the last one I personally don’t buy)
Or in a hallucination. Kylo Ren is mentally unstable.
It could also be a Force related thing as well, kinda like Luke’s “vision” of Vader on Dagobah.
As long as it’s just an illusion and not a ghost I’ll be cool. If Han is to appear in Episode VIII I’d rather it either be in flashback form, a hologram message to Leia and/or Chewie or a hallucination. I want for his deteriorating mental state to play a part in his overall arc. In general I hope he’s kept a layered character and not bogged down due to impatient people bitching about him so much.
I trust that Johnson won’t spoil such a potentially great character. I was actually kind of surprised that Abrams had (co-)made such a character because it seemed a tad darker and more serious than what he usually does (at least based on what I’ve seen of his work), so I don’t see why Johnson wouldn’t do something really exiting about him. Especially now that Abrams/Kasdan have set up some much to work with.
Since Kylo is supposed to be a kind of anti-Luke it makes sense that he’ll go through a lot of trials in the ST’s equivalent of ESB.
And I really don’t see how anyone could possibly make the decision to make Han a Force-ghost, it’s just too weird. I know a lot of fans have “theorized” it, but fans make up a lot of weird crap some times. We’ve already had a Force-flash-back so I doubt they’ll do something stupid. And although I’m fine with another Force-flash-back I really do hope they’ll do something new for ep. VIII.
(EDIT: Which judging by your next statement they already have.)
ZkinandBonez said:
The ep. VIII script has already been described as being “weird” so it’s not impossible.Star Wars is a weird franchise and I’ve heard that something that has never been done in Star Wars is happening in this film so anything is possible.
That sounds really interesting, where did you read that?
If this is the case I really hope Johnson does something really dark and surreal.
John Boyega said that Episode VIII would be darker.
Music to my ears (well, technically I read it, but you know what I mean). I know SW isn’t supposed to be super dark and serious, but since TFA was so over-all “adventurous” and ep. IX will probably be very ROTJ-like I really hope, and have faith in, Johnson making something much darker and more intense for ep. VIII.
All in all I’m in very exited about this film.
Star Wars is Surrealism, not Science Fiction (essay)
Original Trilogy Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Beyond the OT Documentaries/Making-Ofs (YouTube, Vimeo, etc. finds)
Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.