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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 212

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^Lmao

Screw it, REY, YOU HAVE NO FATHER!

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Has anybody else noticed the similarity between Rey’s theme and Kylo’s. I suspect that John Williams has done the the same as he did with the Emperor’s theme and the Naboo celebration to create them.

So cool!

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hydrospanner said:

TavorX said:

^Lmao

Screw it, REY, YOU HAVE NO FATHER!

Just like prequel Anakin?

Is she not the chosen one to bring balance to the Force???

I kid of course. Kinda.

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hydrospanner said:

TavorX said:

^Lmao

Screw it, REY, YOU HAVE NO FATHER!

Just like prequel Anakin?

Is she not the chosen one to bring balance to the Force???

I kid of course. Kinda.

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TavorX said:

MJR80 said:

Off subject a bit, but does anyone think the following?

Finn is a Solo (read the new comics-Han was married before the '77 movie to a woman of color), thus making Finn and Ren half-brothers.

Rey is a Kenobi, not a Skywalker (maybe Obiwan’s granddaughter). I only say this because of the voices she hears during her flashback (but she also heard Yoda’s as well).

Snoke is Darth Plageus.

Discuss.

Finn seems rather young, so it’s rather doubtful that Finn would look that aged if Han married before the events ANH. It really would be far reaching to shoehorn in that Han was screwing around and had a random kid he didn’t know about throughout the whole trilogy. I say nay.

A Kenobi? Highly… improbable. Those flashbacks are voices that were heard/seen mostly from Luke’s perspective. One line from Kenobi. One line from Yoda. One line from Luke. What’s the common denominator? It’s tied to Luke, especially the imagery of Cloud City corridors. Also, Maz kept saying the saber was calling to Rey. That saber is a Skywalker heirloom.

That Snoke theory is being tossed around a lot. Many believe it. I’m on the fence. It sounds a little silly that they’ll go, “NOPE, you thought Palpy was pulling the strings?? Hahahaha! Snoke IS THE Master Puppeteer!!” It’s just too much. There’s absolutely no hints that there was something beyond Palpatine and as far as I’m assuming, Palpatine would be the type to make sure his old Master was dead-dead and wouldn’t serve him. The only thing that does make it a sound theory is that Plagues probably cheated death due to his… knowledge of… Midichlorians.
It all depends. This can really be compelling or really go downhill.

Joining in on the thread kind of late…

I really hope Snoke -isn’t- Plagueis. That would just be kind of hokey, and like has been said, stretch believability to the breaking point, maybe past incredulity. There’s just no way DP would have sat idly by while his apprentice ran the galaxy for twenty-five years, and Palpy was clearly in charge. I also personally hate it when narratives choose to go the route of “Well, it easn’t explicitly disproven, so it’s possible, and we’ll go there”. Nope, don’t want that.

Anyhow, my biggest disappointment thus far was Phasma. I know KK and Abrams have said she’s ‘important,’ but it’ll be hard now for her to pick her self-respect up off the ground given she was seen in TFA. Chalk it up to another part of TFA where it feels something was lost in the editing room.

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StardustCamellia said:
Anyhow, my biggest disappointment thus far was Phasma. I know KK and Abrams have said she’s ‘important,’ but it’ll be hard now for her to pick her self-respect up off the ground given she was seen in TFA. Chalk it up to another part of TFA where it feels something was lost in the editing room.

It’s a little heartbreaking too to think about how the actor herself was saying how this was a powerful role, especially for a woman. Then we go to see her performance and scratch our head of what she meant. Her armor told us she was important, but it didn’t show us what made her remarkable.

It’s a guarantee she’ll come back for VIII, but I too was caught off guard how underwhelming she was in the film.

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Yeah. I’m not sure you get one from the other with Gwendolyn Chrstie’s comments vs. her on screen performance. Did we see the wrong movie? It would have been amazing for “Traitor!!” trooper to have been subbed for Phasma instead. And then when Han shoots, it just glances off her chromium armor like it’s no big deal. That would have been a fun moment. We see her for a couple scenes, she doesn’t do a whole lot, and then gets dumped, in every sense of the word. Was the ‘strong woman’ budget spent all on Rey?

Who knows. I keep hearing there was stuff cut from this film due to runtime and to keep it tight. I hear we lost a couple of Maz Kanata bits because Nyong’o “wasn’t delivering” and we may have lost a scene with Luke (though, I’m a big, big fan of how they actually left us wanting more rather than breaking the tension with anything additional).

It’s going to be a long wait.

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StardustCamellia said:

Who knows. I keep hearing there was stuff cut from this film due to runtime and to keep it tight. I hear we lost a couple of Maz Kanata bits because Nyong’o “wasn’t delivering” and we may have lost a scene with Luke (though, I’m a big, big fan of how they actually left us wanting more rather than breaking the tension with anything additional).

That’s surprising, she did a great job in the scenes she had. I heard one similar rumor that they cut the character completely due to her performance, but it seemed like a reactionary rumor based on her not being in the trailers. Really, I think the CG characters didn’t fit enough with their marketing, or they feared that a short glimpse would have people dreading another prequel type character. If anything was cut, I wonder if it wasn’t the visuals they were unhappy with rather than performance. They had forever to get better performances out of her, and we know she’s capable.

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If you’re not familiar with the marketing or overblown hype for Phasma, her reduced role in the movie won’t mean anything to you. I was expecting/hoping for more from the character, but honestly when she showed up again towards the end I was like “oh yeah, forgot about her.” The truth is there are so many new and interesting characters here some were bound to get the short shrift.

I bet she had more screen time that was cut but honestly I think she was put there to establish a character who’ll get more screen time in later installments.

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DominicCobb said:

I bet she had more screen time that was cut but honestly I think she was put there to establish a character who’ll get more screen time in later installments.

This is more than likely the biggest reason she’s even still in the film (even though most of her part in it could easily have been done by PlasticSoldier93730). We’ll see Phasma again, probably pissed off and with an ax to grind.

And there WERE so many great characters! I can’t sing enough praises for Finn. I admire his courage; he looks at some pretty tough situations and jumps in head first. Grabbing a lightsaber and going after Kylo, no questions asked? Just another day in the life of Finn. He’s got real potential. Plus I love how he plays off of both Rey and Poe. The three of them have real on screen chemistry, almost more so than Ford, Fisher, and Hamill did in ANH (blasphemy, right?!).

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hydrospanner said:

Why were they able to see the Hosnian system get destroyed from Takodana? You’d think they’d be right on top of each other for that to make sense.

Was it just me or was the main planet we see get blown up in the Hosnian system Coruscant or a planet very similar?

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TavorX said:

JasonSims said:

What if Rey is Obi Wan’s granddaughter?

How exactly though? They would have to shoehorn in that Obi Wan had a mistress, but the Obi Wan we know was a hermit/monk. It just wouldn’t really flow well into the narrative of Star Wars. The Skywalkers are the only known Jedi to have fooled around.

That would make Rey 35-40 yrs old at minimum. I like it.

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We’ve never had a recurring Stormtrooper before though. Nor a female one. And I missed most of the hype except the attention the cool armor got, and Phasma’s name being derived from the Phantasm movie.

Whether she becomes the next Boba Fett in terms of fan reaction remains to be seen. I am a little intrigued though.

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pat man said:

hydrospanner said:

Why were they able to see the Hosnian system get destroyed from Takodana? You’d think they’d be right on top of each other for that to make sense.

Was it just me or was the main planet we see get blown up in the Hosnian system Coruscant or a planet very similar?

Similar, perhaps. It’s Republic City on Hosnian Prime.

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Interesting they would throw a new seat for the Republic at us, and not make it look different than Coruscant.

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Maybe they just renamed Coruscant, just like they renamed everything else that is otherwise exactly the same 😃 Hopefully, we’ll learn more about these things in The First Order Strikes Back 😉

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Harmy said:

Maybe they just renamed Coruscant, just like they renamed everything else that is otherwise exactly the same 😃 Hopefully, we’ll learn more about these things in The First Order Strikes Back 😉

I’m so very curious what the next title will be because this is seemingly the first time both parties are knocked down a lot. Republic was already “striked” hard by Starkiller, and the Resistance landed their blow on Starkiller. Essentially two parties with little power on the galaxy. There’s a huge power vacuum now in the galaxy! So there’s no really any “ATTACK” of the _______ or ________ Strikes Back. But something else. A race to reclaim that power?

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SilverWook said:

Interesting they would throw a new seat for the Republic at us, and not make it look different than Coruscant.

-New desert planet that’s not Tatooine
-New ragtag team of “resistance” that’s not the Rebels
-New superweapon that isn’t the Death Star
-New jedi master in exile that’s not Yoda

Fits the theme I would say.

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Clearly someone on the staff of The Simpsons owns a time machine.

This is from 2009…

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JaminJedi said:

Has anybody else noticed the similarity between Rey’s theme and Kylo’s. I suspect that John Williams has done the the same as he did with the Emperor’s theme and the Naboo celebration to create them.

So cool!

Nobody?

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When you first posted that, I didn’t know what Kylo’s theme was. So I went back and listened to it and, for me, (someone who is clueless when it comes to scores) no I did not detect similarities. I also think the music for Kylo’s battle was fantastic and suited him, but it didn’t strike me as a “theme” that could be easily reused, the way Rey’s is. It also isn’t explicitly called a theme on the soundtrack.

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SilverWook said:

Clearly someone on the staff of The Simpsons owns a time machine.

This is from 2009…

Somewhat off-topic.
It wouldn’t surprise me, because of how many times The Simpsons have already predicted future events.
But they got Star Wars and Alvin And The Chimpmunks showing at the same time lol.

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According to an interview with Adam Driver the Knights of Ren existed before Kylo/Ben became a member. Maybe, I’m not too sure what to take from this statement.

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2015/12/j-j-abrams-and-adam-driver-talk-about-kylo-ren.html

"So who are the Knights of Ren?"

"It was a group that existed before him, that he was a part of. Their place within everything is maybe more of a satellite group than I would say … This is really tricky."

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