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perhaps I'll read it then . . .

Bingowings said:

Brief corrective interjection here.

I stopped posting on off topic (I still post occasionally on the obituary section and like now to make a specific point about my absence) because it became tiresome and frustrating for me to be frequently called to book over controversial ideas I have come to by use of reason and the application of evidence and open to correction by people who write reams advertising and explaining the "faith of their parents".

called to book?   I am not exactly sure what that means.    But, if memory serves me, it was you that constantly brought religion into to other topics.   You even went so far as to make fun of Darth_ender's religion by referring to the Mormon undergarment as "magic underwear".    Is it any wonder we would get angry at you?  In the very argument that you finally left in,  You had brought up some conspiracy theory involving ISIS.  When Ender asked you for evidence,  instead of presenting any, you decided to after his religion again.   You couldn't get off the subject of how you hated certain verses in the Bible.  While I understand what you hate those verses and sympathize, you couldn't get off the subject and kept bringing into debates on other subjects.   Even Frink finally said:

TV's Frink said:

d_e, I don't know what has happened to Bingo lately, but it seems like he's not able to have a rational discussion anymore.  It makes me sad, having usually been on his side of discussions, but I don't know what he's saying anymore in most posts he makes.

Which, in all honesty, might (MIGHT!) explain his problem with the meds comment (which obviously was a perfectly legitimate comment to make).

 And yeah, when you state controversial ideas, matter how logically and rationally you come to them, you are going to get called on the carpet and asked to explain them and give evidence.  This is especially true in threads like the political thread. 

You know the drill...

Warb is correct I chose to not write here. He isn't the contributor who brought me to this conclusive act.

I hope everyone now realizes this quit acting like I am totally to blame.

Maybe when the new forum goes online the fun sections of off topic can be separated from the political (and religion is wholly political in this context) silly sections so I can go back to what I enjoyed doing most here.

nothing is stopping you from coming back to off topic and avoiding the Politics and thread and other obviously serious threads.

see, this is another thing that annoyed me about you.   You'd post a picture and/or post abstract words and then when myself and others couldn't understand what point you were making, you acted like you were being straight forward(when obviously you were not) and making it seem like we were stupid from not understanding you. 

I lack the strength of character to keep my fingers from typing when I see something utterly daft or mean spirited on the internet and this leads me into conversations which poke at rather tender inflamed near the bone parts of my personality.

you typed up some very mean spirited things on your own(like the magic underwear comments).   But this is really the problem.   You don't know how debate someone you disagree with, without resorting to being rude and mean spirited.  You don't know how to debate topics such as religion sensitively.  I could be wrong, but I think sometimes you've taken out your real life problems, due to bigotry over your being gay, on the religious people in this forum.   Despite whatever I tried to do or say, you've had me down in your book as being a member of the Westboro Baptists.

As for Warb I think personal comments about him are counter productive. I have come to suspect medical conditions play a part in some of what he says

ah, I'm nuts.  of course.   You believe any that is Christian is nuts, don't you? You sure acted like it.

I will agree I do have mental problems(but maybe not as bad as Bingo thinks), and it has caused me to unfortunately go irrational at times.   I have also sometimes taken out my real life problems on the forum, I apologize for it. 

That brings up another point, that fact that you don't apologize for anything you do, ever.  Instead, you pretend that your sh__ doesn't stink.  That annoyed more than just me,  and you know it.

while the bulk of what he says comes from a person trying to do what he thinks is the right thing.  Which is admirable and what I try and frequently fail to do.

thankyou.

It would not be a good idea for me to come back to off topic in it's current form and I think it's handy for Warb to have a virtual space to meet up with people and talk about the stuff he talks about.

like I said above, you could always just avoid threads like the political thread.

btw, I would still like to know what caused you to put me on ignore?

(I don't know if he will click on this or not, someone please repost this so he can see it) 

Bingowings said:

Brief corrective interjection here.

Almost commented yesterday on how Bingo can't stay out of Off Topic in spite of himself, but thought better of it.  He comes here all the time.  He just doesn't post.  A timely interjection like this proves it.

I stopped posting on off topic (I still post occasionally on the obituary section and like now to make a specific point about my absence) because it became tiresome and frustrating for me to be frequently called to book over controversial ideas I have come to by use of reason and the application of evidence and open to correction by people who write reams advertising and explaining the "faith of their parents".

Bingo was not obliged to read my thread, and if he did, he was always welcome to honest discussion and not ignorant criticism.  Here is the difference:

Honest critique: I read once that Joseph Smith preached A, yet did B.  This seems quite contradictory, and for this I think Mormonism is false.

Ignorant flatulence: You believe numerous crazy things so don't you dare try to debate my conspiracy theories.

The latter was Bingo's style.  He did not specify what the crazy things were that I believed, only that I had to be a little nuts for believing them.  He did not bring up such topics in the appropriate places (i.e. my discussion of Mormonism thread), but rather used his criticism of my beliefs as a defense to his beliefs.  He did not ever defend the actual reasons why I challenged his ideas.  He had two or three supporting bits of evidence for his conspiracies, I had quite a bit more to counter it, yet I was the idiot because I'm Mormon.  Can anyone please explain how being Mormon disqualifies me from pointing holes in someone's logic on a completely different topic.

If you ever return, Mr. Wings, apply your criticism to the correct topics and I will be much more open to the discussion of the "faith of my fathers" than you apparently are with your faulty logic.

You know the drill...

Warb is correct I chose to not write here. He isn't the contributor who brought me to this conclusive act. Maybe when the new forum goes online the fun sections of off topic can be separated from the political (and religion is wholly political in this context) silly sections so I can go back to what I enjoyed doing most here.

I lack the strength of character to keep my fingers from typing when I see something utterly daft or mean spirited on the internet and this leads me into conversations which poke at rather tender inflamed near the bone parts of my personality.

If anyone can point out how I was mean spirited with Bingowings, I'd appreciate it.  Such was never my intent.  Have I ever lost my temper with him?  Yes, but those occasions were when he would seemingly deliberately ignore any clarifications or statements I'd repeatedly make, accusing me of saying other (usually mean) things.  When I've been mean to anyone, I've apologized.  But even then, the meanest things I can recall saying to him were calling him dense for not getting what I had repeatedly restated.  Never did I criticize his sexual orientation, spirituality, or even his conspiracy theories.  I merely debated him forcefully.  And yet, in spite of this post, I know with a great assurance that he will read it, go back to the other forums and fume about how he was right all along, ignoring my declarations now as he has before.

I have the same problem with DerTubez and Faceboot. I've been chased around the web by someone trying to get me to sign an inaccurate petition. I've had people ask me to 'friend' them only to make bitey presuming comments at me. You need a real masochist streak to volunteer to shove your face into that.

As for Warb I think personal comments about him are counter productive. I have come to suspect medical conditions play a part in some of what he says while the bulk of what he says comes from a person trying to do what he thinks is the right thing. Which is admirable and what I try and frequently fail to do.

It would not be a good idea for me to come back to off topic in it's current form and I think it's handy for Warb to have a virtual space to meet up with people and talk about the stuff he talks about.

Fun blethering and all but I'm currently having a Michael Caine moment, stuck in an angry sewer full of shouty pepper pots... again!

 Funny thing about this is that whenever we did have a problem, I was the one who'd apologize and try to straighten things out.  I was the the one who would admit my shortcomings in a discussion.  I was the one who would praise him for the qualities I'd like.

Times Bingowings praised darth_ender for something in spite of disagreeing: 0
Times Bingowings EVER admitted he was wrong to darth_ender: 0
Times Bingowings EVER apologized to darth_ender: 0
Times Bingowings EVER reached out to improved his relationship with darth_ender: 0

Of course I haven't kept exact score, but I assure you that on all these things, I have a score much higher than Bingowings.  I feel I've been the bigger man in every way, and he will still never acknowledge it.  Unless he can grow up a bit, I don't really want to talk to him.  If I ever had a friend this self-absorbed and self-righteous in real life, you can bet I wouldn't keep him long.  A real friendship involves give and take, not just take.

Don't worry, Wabler.  He will read it.  No one needs to quote it.  He simply won't comment on it, just as he won't on mine.

I remember in high school, my dad would tell me, "Son, you need to work harder.  We can't tell you to do your homework and chores 40 times a day."

I would reply, feeling clever, "Well, I see Mom making your lunch every day.  Why don't you at least make your lunch?"

At the time I felt that pointing out my dad's faults would justify my own.  He pointed out the fallacy in such thinking, but it wasn't till I was older that I realized that such techniques do not make a case.  Someone else's wrongs don't make me right.

And yet, such is the exact style of the much beloved Bingowings.

Leonardo said:

Warbler said:

You don't know how to debate topics such as religion sensitively.

To be honest, few people at all, IMHO, are actually able to be 100% diplomatic with such a delicate subject.

many are able to do it better than he can, and I am not even sure he tries.

I'd just like to comment that I appreciate the civil manner with which you guys are explaining yourselves. Between the lines, I see mutual respect. And after all, that's what I'd expect from two people inhabiting the same cyber-place for so many years.

 thanks.

darth_ender said:

Bingowings said:

Brief corrective interjection here.

Almost commented yesterday on how Bingo can't stay out of Off Topic in spite of himself, but thought better of it.  He comes here all the time.  He just doesn't post.  A timely interjection like this proves it.

I stopped posting on off topic (I still post occasionally on the obituary section and like now to make a specific point about my absence) because it became tiresome and frustrating for me to be frequently called to book over controversial ideas I have come to by use of reason and the application of evidence and open to correction by people who write reams advertising and explaining the "faith of their parents".

Bingo was not obliged to read my thread, and if he did, he was always welcome to honest discussion and not ignorant criticism.  Here is the difference:

Honest critique: I read once that Joseph Smith preached A, yet did B.  This seems quite contradictory, and for this I think Mormonism is false.

Ignorant flatulence: You believe numerous crazy things so don't you dare try to debate my conspiracy theories.

The latter was Bingo's style.  He did not specify what the crazy things were that I believed, only that I had to be a little nuts for believing them.  He did not bring up such topics in the appropriate places (i.e. my discussion of Mormonism thread), but rather used his criticism of my beliefs as a defense to his beliefs.  He did not ever defend the actual reasons why I challenged his ideas.  He had two or three supporting bits of evidence for his conspiracies, I had quite a bit more to counter it, yet I was the idiot because I'm Mormon.  Can anyone please explain how being Mormon disqualifies me from pointing holes in someone's logic on a completely different topic.

If you ever return, Mr. Wings, apply your criticism to the correct topics and I will be much more open to the discussion of the "faith of my fathers" than you apparently are with your faulty logic.

You know the drill...

Warb is correct I chose to not write here. He isn't the contributor who brought me to this conclusive act. Maybe when the new forum goes online the fun sections of off topic can be separated from the political (and religion is wholly political in this context) silly sections so I can go back to what I enjoyed doing most here.

I lack the strength of character to keep my fingers from typing when I see something utterly daft or mean spirited on the internet and this leads me into conversations which poke at rather tender inflamed near the bone parts of my personality.

If anyone can point out how I was mean spirited with Bingowings, I'd appreciate it.  Such was never my intent.  Have I ever lost my temper with him?  Yes, but those occasions were when he would seemingly deliberately ignore any clarifications or statements I'd repeatedly make, accusing me of saying other (usually mean) things.  When I've been mean to anyone, I've apologized.  But even then, the meanest things I can recall saying to him were calling him dense for not getting what I had repeatedly restated.  Never did I criticize his sexual orientation, spirituality, or even his conspiracy theories.  I merely debated him forcefully.  And yet, in spite of this post, I know with a great assurance that he will read it, go back to the other forums and fume about how he was right all along, ignoring my declarations now as he has before.

I have the same problem with DerTubez and Faceboot. I've been chased around the web by someone trying to get me to sign an inaccurate petition. I've had people ask me to 'friend' them only to make bitey presuming comments at me. You need a real masochist streak to volunteer to shove your face into that.

As for Warb I think personal comments about him are counter productive. I have come to suspect medical conditions play a part in some of what he says while the bulk of what he says comes from a person trying to do what he thinks is the right thing. Which is admirable and what I try and frequently fail to do.

It would not be a good idea for me to come back to off topic in it's current form and I think it's handy for Warb to have a virtual space to meet up with people and talk about the stuff he talks about.

Fun blethering and all but I'm currently having a Michael Caine moment, stuck in an angry sewer full of shouty pepper pots... again!

 Funny thing about this is that whenever we did have a problem, I was the one who'd apologize and try to straighten things out.  I was the the one who would admit my shortcomings in a discussion.  I was the one who would praise him for the qualities I'd like.

Times Bingowings praised darth_ender for something in spite of disagreeing: 0
Times Bingowings EVER admitted he was wrong to darth_ender: 0
Times Bingowings EVER apologized to darth_ender: 0
Times Bingowings EVER reached out to improved his relationship with darth_ender: 0

Of course I haven't kept exact score, but I assure you that on all these things, I have a score much higher than Bingowings.  I feel I've been the bigger man in every way, and he will still never acknowledge it.  Unless he can grow up a bit, I don't really want to talk to him.  If I ever had a friend this self-absorbed and self-righteous in real life, you can bet I wouldn't keep him long.  A real friendship involves give and take, not just take.

 great points, Enders. 

I know with a great assurance that he will read it, go back to the other forums and fume about how he was right all along, ignoring my declarations now as he has before.

what other forums are you talking about?    He couldn't be talking about this stuff in other sections of this forum.  You have to be more on topic in the other sections.

I meant those as two separate things: go to other parts of the forum; fume at home by himself. I wasn't very clear. He has only openly mocked me once that I'm aware of in another section.

sorry.

My use of this site is fading. I log in most days on the phone to check the threads I care most about, but I seldom have time to post, leaving me much less interested in starting a discussion I know I cannot continue, thus further disincentivizing any posts. So while I am not truly gone, I probably won’t post much in the future. Just too busy with real life and such.

So not truly goodbye, but sort of a see ya later to most. I’ve enjoyed my time here and will continue to enjoy reading and occasional posts. I’ve appreciated the friendships of those on this site and the intellectually stimulating discussions. If there are any who avoid off topic because of me, feel free to resume entertaining the world because I know there are those who miss you. So long (sort of), my friends.

Sorry hear this, Darth Ender. I hope you change your mind. I will miss you here. : (

Sorry to see you go, ender. I think you’ve been an excellent contributor to the forums and I’ve enjoyed reading your posts here. It’ll be sad not having you around as a regular poster anymore.

This reminds me of that time you “left” to focus on your studies.

See you soon (hopefully).

^That’s going to be me in a year or two. 😛

It’s too bad that you haven’t been able to post much lately, and I’ll miss your contributions here. The lack of lively debates your threads often provoke has made it easier to spend less time on this forum, but this place is less interesting without them…

Hopefully things slow down for you at some point (otherwise who’ll play shogi with me?).

Thanks for the thoughts guys. You sure know how to make a guy feel guilty. It’s all good busy and I’m still here. Maybe better to say I’m turning to lurker status. I’ll still post once in a while and maybe be a more lively participant in the future. Just too much commitment for now. Seriously, its nice to be appreciated and I truly appreciate you letting me know. I really like you all and now its harder to commit to a more productive life since this site will keep calling to me.

Quite a few of us are in your situation, darth_ender. Even if you might never contribute as regularly as you once did, I’m sure there’ll be spells in which you can post more frequently than you can at the moment. Until then, good luck!

I don’t know if I’m going to be posting on OT.com for very much longer.

I don’t care about TFA, so none of the attention or discussions in “General Star Wars Discussion” about the movie interest me. Without either Bingowings or darth_ender posting here anymore, “Off Topic”'s become a dead, dreary place to be. Even if the “Screen-Writing and Re-writing” section was at all active, I no longer have much drive to continue any of the scripts I’ve been working on. I don’t visit any of the other subforums regularly, so there’s nothing there to hold my interest.

I’m not formally quitting OT.com, but right now, I just don’t feel motivated to stick around.

*sigh*

Theres still me, warb, neglify, frink, danfun, ric olie and im sure praetor will be back eventually. also theres the semi regular posters of silverwook, timd, domcob, and stuff.