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What Special Edition changes (if any) did people like? — Page 13

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I think a certain episode of South Park helped Steven see the light. ;)

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SilverWook said:

I'm aware of one small sequence Lucas shot for Empire, as documented in the original making of paperback. (I have not read the more recent book yet.) Lucas helping out behind the camera was out of trying to keep the production on schedule, not from any failings of Kershner.

I would imagine there was a similar situation on the Jedi set.

Shooting second unit does not make one the director of a film.

 I suppose Lucas work was more prominent on Jedi..... 

crissrudd4554 said:

I think true fans know what should be out there and whether a day will come where all fans are satisfied is questionable and probably always will be.

 SW fans will never be satisfied.

Ten years passed and still prequel trilogy is ignored or considered irrelevant by fans.

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slask said:

Ten years passed and still prequel trilogy is ignored or considered irrelevant by fans.

So if I complain about something I don't like, I'm stupid, but ignoring something I don't like isn't good, either? Everyone has to love the prequels and Special Editions for you to be happy? So who is it again, who can't accept differing opinions?

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SilverWook said:

Shooting second unit does not make one the director of a film.

You are right. However, leading the creative aspects of pre-production and post-production kinda does.

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I'd say that makes you the writer and producer.

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@imperialscum: here we are!

@Frank your Majesty: These are all things you are saying, not me. I didn't call you stupid, I didn't say everyone must agree with my opinion, or must like what I like.
Calm down and just..  ignore me, there's no way we can discuss if you keep on misunderstanding every single comment I write.

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You complained about the PT being ignored. You said people who disagree "don't understand".

If I (and many others) don't understand every single post you make, maybe it's you who has a problem with expressing yourself clearly.

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Yes, you are absolutely right. I'm totally wrong.

Now stop it.

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imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

Shooting second unit does not make one the director of a film.

You are right. However, leading the creative aspects of pre-production and post-production kinda does.

 IIRC, the Director's Guild, (which George had conflicts with and quit of course) has very specific criteria, as the issue of who really directed a film has come up on other productions.

Lucas quitting the DGA is probably what kept Spielberg from ever directing an episode, and limited the pool of directors George could choose from for Jedi. If Marquand was a disaster, it was hushed up out of a fear of bad publicity. With the DGA out of the picture, they could have easily sacked him.

Ray Harryhausen was way more involved with the creative aspects on all his films, but that still doesn't make him the director proper.

You can make the argument that Lucas co-directed Jedi, but not Empire.

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SilverWook said:

You can make the argument that Lucas co-directed Jedi, but not Empire.

Fair enough, we weren't arguing about Empire, but for Jedi Marquand was a mere executor.

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I was taking imperialscum's comment as justifying Lucas being able to exert directorial control over ESB.

Even then, Kershner was around to give his blessing. Altering a film whose credited director has been dead since 1987 is more of a gray area.

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I'm already regretting admitting to this here, but I watched the official blu rays this week for the first time in a while because A.) with TFA this close at hand I figured I might take a break from considering the OT in isolation and at least attempt to make peace with the "saga" versions of the movies, and B.) I had this weird populist urge to take another look at the Star Wars that the vast majority of people accept without thinking twice. I've got to say, I didn't hate it. The unaltered cuts are certainly better films and almost none of the changes are improvements, but those changes didn't torpedo the entire experience of watching the movie like I remembered them doing. I'll still be sticking with the OOT nine viewings out of ten, methinks, but with new movies on the horizon, alternate versions that blend in with the other ones a little more smoothly have a place. With that preamble, there were a handful of things I actually liked.

-All the goofy creature stuff in the Mos Eisley approach sucks pretty hard, but I really dig the rusted out ESB-style transport ship in the background.

-Aurebesh labeling on the tractor beam thing.

-Rotoscoping Vader's saber in that one shot.

-Replacing the cardboard cutout people at the medal ceremony.

-As janky as it is in ANH, the color timing in ESB kind of appeals to me.

-The digitally composited model shots in the Battle of Hoth are glorious.

-Switching Piett's and that other guy's badges to the proper side at the end of the film.

-The blinking ewoks aren't nearly as jarring as they were in my memory. I thought this was actually one of the more convincing effects.

So yeah, that's where I'm at. The OOT has my heart, and I still think it's insane and deplorable that it isn't available through official channels, but setting all that real world baggage aside, if the blu ray is the canonical version going into the sequels, I'm willing to play ball and not gripe about it (too much).

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The expansion of Mos Eisely was good, minus the layer of slapstick and Rontos. Unlike Dewbacks, I'm not sure Rontos even make sense in a desert climate. They must eat/drink a ton a day. If they're used like elephants to lift heavy things, we sure as heck don't see it.

I thought Wicket's new eyes were creepy as hell. It's Alive mutant killer baby creepy.

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^That's what I liked about it. I'm a fan of anything that plays up the ewoks' creep-factor, because they are in fact deeply creepy. They were minutes away from eating our heroes before Luke's levitating Threepio trick. What do you think happened to all the bodies after the battle at the shield generator?

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Perhaps, but it kind of undermines the scene with Leia befriending Wicket.

The Ewoks chowing down on dead stormtroopers, (to the Rebels dismay) sounds like it would make a great Robot Chicken sketch. ;)

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SilverWook said:

 IIRC, the Director's Guild, (which George had conflicts with and quit of course) has very specific criteria, as the issue of who really directed a film has come up on other productions.

You can make the argument that Lucas co-directed Jedi, but not Empire.

Who cares about DGA. Under their criteria being a co-director isn't even possible. Definition of "director" can vary anyway. What I was trying to say was that Lucas was (overall) the principal author of both Empire and Jedi.

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slask said:

SilverWook said:

You can make the argument that Lucas co-directed Jedi, but not Empire.

Fair enough, we weren't arguing about Empire, but for Jedi Marquand was a mere executor.

Well if Marquand was a mere executor in Jedi, then Kershner was a mere executor in Empire.

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Even then, Kershner was around to give his blessing. Altering a film whose credited director has been dead since 1987 is more of a gray area.

Well it is safe to say that allowing him to give "his blessing" was merely a nice gesture. I highly doubt Lucas would not proceed with the changes if he objected them.

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slask said:

-mistake-

 You could probably just edit most of your posts to say this...

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imperialscum said:

slask said:

SilverWook said:

You can make the argument that Lucas co-directed Jedi, but not Empire.

Fair enough, we weren't arguing about Empire, but for Jedi Marquand was a mere executor.

Well if Marquand was a mere executor in Jedi, then Kershner was a mere executor in Empire.

SilverWook said:

Even then, Kershner was around to give his blessing. Altering a film whose credited director has been dead since 1987 is more of a gray area.

Well it is safe to say that allowing him to give "his blessing" was merely a nice gesture. I highly doubt Lucas would not proceed with the changes if he objected them.

 He probably wouldn't want the bad publicity if Kershner objected, and tried to invoke an Alan Smithee either.

Lucas may have quit the DGA, but he was still working with the likes of Spielberg and Ron Howard on other Lucasfilm productions.

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TV's Frink said:

slask said:

-mistake-

 You could probably just edit most of your posts to say this...

And you could probably try a comedian career instead of adding this "contribute" to the discussion.

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People who understand the art of the written word call it a "contribution."  You're welcome.

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I always thought Frinks contributions was also a chance to test out his material 

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TV's Frink said:

People who understand the art of the written word call it a "contribution."  You're welcome.

I bet you can also write in perfect Italian without mistakes ;)

Anyway, you got the point. Or at least I hope so.