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If anyone wants to use it or modify/update or improve it go ahead.

I fixed a couple of issues at the bottom and re-upped it for you.

Jackpumpkinhead said:

i hate to be "that guy" (*cough Ronster *cough) but is it just me or does 3P0's leg look gold and not silver like is it supposed to be?

 Que?

adywan sorry if you got this on twitter but is there and update on the hic yet just want to know how far along it is. that's all sorry if i'm bothering you just was curious.

Possessed said:

Jackpumpkinhead said:

i hate to be "that guy" (*cough Ronster *cough) but is it just me or does 3P0's leg look gold and not silver like is it supposed to be?

 Que?

Yeah, it's not just you jackpumpkinhead.  Apart from his gold foot, the lower half of C3PO's right leg is silver all the way round throughout the movie.  Yet strangely, he suddenly has a gold front shin section in those shots of R2 attending to him as he sits, before returning to silver again when he's standing.

jedimasterobiwan said:

adywan sorry if you got this on twitter but is there and update on the hic yet just want to know how far along it is. that's all sorry if i'm bothering you just was curious.

Want an update?

Now they come as frozen fruit bars!  That was news to me too!

adywan said:

Here is a new clip.  It's just under 9 minutes long and about 260MB.

First chance I've had to offer some thoughts on your recent extended clip adywan.  Some incredible work throughout once again, whether it be big enhancements or teensy-weensy tweaks since your last previews of these scenes.  It's truly amazing just how much has been altered and improved during this 9 minute segment alone, compared to the SE version!  :)

But I happened to notice a couple of small issues which stood out a little for me during all this goodness, so I'll describe them for the sake of 'feedback'/'observations' for yourself and everyone else (and will number/embolden them for easier viewing amongst my other comments, as this post will be lengthy!  Those of a nervous 'who cares?, just release the edit dammit!' disposition may wish to just scroll past...)   

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'Vane/Gantry Duel' Section

This whole section of your clip now has many terrific enhancements and fixes throughout (and I especially love all your improvements to the shot at 00:34 where the tiny figures of Luke and Vader exit the opening of the enormous 'Vane').  It's great to see the addition of the 'piece of tubing' on the end structure where Luke ends up, which was missing in certain shots - it may be a minor fix since your 'Xmas 2011 clip' version of this scene, but it's a very welcome one to see for consistency's sake.  (I also note that you slightly amended the 'airflow' of the steam/smoke coming from your 'Carbon Chamber' pipes, by the way - to allow for the windy conditions in the chasm I presume?  A nice subtle touch)

1.  I was also pleased that you ended up adding a touch of RED to the majority of the many 'missing' (black) chasm 'exhaust ports', as they help improve the background mattes no end.  But I see the ones during the shot where Vader slices the columns at 01:04 in your clip are *still* black (no biggie of course, and l imagine the earlier ones seen when Luke fights Vader at the window before crashing through it are difficult to re-colour too, due to movement unfortunately)  

2.  Also, in the shot of the chasm at 02:40 in your clip (which we see immediately after Luke first looks down), the row of vertical lights on the strip that the 'Vane' is attached to, are *still* WHITE...which unfortunately mis-matches with the all the other shots where you've made them RED now.  These new red vertical lights look great, by the way.

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'Underneath Cloud City/Falcon Rescuing Luke' Section

The numerous new cloud shots are all superb, and the re-colouring of the them along with the city's underside really ties everything together better now.  All your time-consuming 'rotoscoping' really paid off here.

3.  It's interesting to see how you've re-structured things where the Falcon approaches Luke now...but I'm a little sorry to lose one of the shots of Luke, as I liked the flow of all the original shots of his precarious situation at this point - and I'll go into this a bit more shortly.  (But first, for the benefit of anyone who didn't notice, I'll summarise your changes - I'll ignore the SE version which crudely chopped things up with various 'shuttle' shots, and only describe the difference between the original (GOUT) version shots and the latest clip) -

In the original (GOUT) version, the Falcon turns around and immediately after Vader says "Bring my shuttle!" there was an initial wide shot of Luke still hanging upside down at the top of the stem he's on (on the left of the frame), before we cut to the distant shot of the small Falcon nearing Cloud City.  Lando then spots the tiny figure of Luke hanging upside-down through the cockpit as they get nearer, and we eventually see another wide shot of Luke making a risky movement onto a lower part of the strut he's on (in the middle of the frame), while the Falcon approaches towards us in the distance (in the left of the frame).  After a couple of close-up shots showing Chewie growling and Leia watching, we then see the small figure of Luke through the cockpit again, where he is now sitting on the lower part of the strut and kicking one of his legs forward, as Leia's voice says "Okay, easy Chewie".  Finally, we see a wide shot where we now see the back of Luke as he sits and kicks his leg out, as the Falcon looms large directly below him. 

In the latest clip however, the Falcon turns around and immediately after Vader says "Bring my shuttle!" we now lose the shot of Luke hanging upside down (on the left of the frame) - it's been replaced with the shot of Luke making a risky movement onto a lower part of the strut, which originally came several shots later (except he's now positioned on the left of the frame, and there's no Falcon approaching in the distance anymore).  We then cut to the distant shot of the small Falcon nearing Cloud City, but when Lando first spots the tiny figure of Luke through the cockpit, it's now a re-use of him sitting on the lower part of the strut, which wasn't seen until several shots later in the original version - although his position still matches with the earlier 'replacement' shot in the clip, where he now continues to sit and kick his leg out until the Falcon looms large directly below him.  Additionally, a shot of Chewie growling has also been removed as the Falcon gets nearer to Luke now.

(For anyone curious, the replaced shot of 'Luke making a risky movement onto a lower part of the strut as the Falcon approaches' can be seen at 1:50:09 on the SE dvd - and is on the original (GOUT) version too, of course)   

I just happen to like the additional, delayed lead-up to Luke making his risky movement onto the lower part of the strut, I guess - I think what jars a little for me is the fact that we now see Luke constantly slowly kicking his leg out in the exact same way during this scene (and I think it's the fact that this Luke element looks strangely like a 'stop-motion puppet' compared to the other shots of him, which is why I preferred to see it used just once like it was the original sequence of shots) - however, if that re-used Luke element could have been made to 'kick out' *less* in one or two of the shots, it would work a lot better I reckon.

I realise that the small approaching Falcon is *too far away* from Luke when we see it approaching him in that particular original shot you removed/exchanged - as it doesn't match with the previous *closer* viewpoint of Luke we see through it's cockpit...but I'd have liked to have seen it retained in it's original place, except with a *closer* Falcon approaching Luke instead, at that point...so that the earlier wide shot of Luke upside-down could have remained.

However, your new version is very cleverly done adywan, and certainly still works fine - and it's always fascinating to see how you re-arrange the order of some shots altogether.

4.  Unfortunately, the detailing on the close-up of the Falcon's 'radar dish' looks all wrong during the shot where Luke falls downwards (seen at 05:43 in the clip)  It seems you've had to leave it as it is though. 

(but nice to see that you've now removed the titchy 'widget' from the top of the Falcon's guns when it hovers below Luke)

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'Vader On Executor Bridge' Section

Although each of the Original Trilogy movies had very high production values overall, where design work, set construction, costumes, etc. are concerned...the sheer amount of 'continuity errors' throughout this particular section of ESB always amazes me - I know that 'shortcuts' are part of the 'magic of the movies', and things go unnoticed on a single 'Theatrical' viewing or two...but there sure were are an awful *lot* of confusing 'positioning' issues and set mis-matches during these bridge shots, when scrutinized a little.  Any kind of 'continuity control' seemingly went out the window when these shots were filmed and put together...and they never gave a good indication of where the hell Vader was mean to be positioned. 

Until now. :) 

It's been fascinating to see your continuous refining of various shots these past years, adywan.  And the final re-structuring you've come up with for these 'Executor bridge' scenes are a marvel - the new shot of Vader walking towards the front windows, along with the various new backgrounds you came up with, make complete sense of his movements on the bridge now, and look terrific compared to the original sequence.  (the re-used 'wide bridge' shot is a great establishing replacement for the original shot of 'Vader looking out the window' you removed...and while I liked your earlier 'composite' bridge shot, I reckon you made the right call to *exclude* it at this point, due to the likes of the mis-matching crewmembers in it.  What you've done now works perfectly!  In addition, your new 'walking Vader' figure has turned out much better than the 'workprint' version too)

5.  However, while the flashing 'panel' lights are nice to see in the new wide bridge shot at 07:44, I found that additional amount of times the BLUE strips flashed on and off distracted from taking in all the other goodness overall.  They are certainly a welcome touch as they now tie-in with a couple of other bridge shots where they are briefly seen...but I reckon they would have been less disracting if they had been made to flash on and off a bit *less often* in this particular shot. 

I know you'll be adding these flashing blue strips to a couple of your other shots too...so that gives me an excuse to re-show another of your new wide bridge shots which shows off heaps of improvements when compared to the original versions (and I like that you improved some of those small ceiling lights either side of the large 'pipes' to make them symmetrical) - http://s2.postimg.org/a2m5p0qp5/officer.jpg

At the end of the day, none of the things I've brought up are biggies whatsoever in the scheme of things...especially considering the sheer amount of brilliance overall.

(Finally, I noticed you changed the single green 'panel' light to white when Vader first approaches Piette on the bridge - so checked to see if there was one on the other side of the 'shaking stardestroyer' bridge from earlier in the movie.  There was...and I see that you've removed it from your 'workprint' too, heh.  Now I really must get on with some work!...)

Great observations ImperialFighter.

I'm still amazed how closely people analyse these clips & how well they know the different versions!

I came across this link which helped me understand a little better why some of the changes/corrections are being made.

Cheers, Paul

ImperialFighter said:

adywan said:

Here is a new clip.  It's just under 9 minutes long and about 260MB.

First chance I've had to offer some thoughts on your recent extended clip adywan.  Some incredible work throughout once again, whether it be big enhancements or teensy-weensy tweaks since your last previews of these scenes.  It's truly amazing just how much has been altered and improved during this 9 minute segment alone, compared to the SE version!  :)

But I happened to notice a couple of small issues which stood out a little for me during all this goodness, so I'll describe them for the sake of 'feedback'/'observations' for yourself and everyone else (and will number/embolden them for easier viewing amongst my other comments, as this post will be lengthy!  Those of a nervous 'who cares?, just release the edit dammit!' disposition may wish to just scroll past...)   

_______

'Vane/Gantry Duel' Section

This whole section of your clip now has many terrific enhancements and fixes throughout (and I especially love all your improvements to the shot at 00:34 where the tiny figures of Luke and Vader exit the opening of the enormous 'Vane').  It's great to see the addition of the 'piece of tubing' on the end structure where Luke ends up, which was missing in certain shots - it may be a minor fix since your 'Xmas 2011 clip' version of this scene, but it's a very welcome one to see for consistency's sake.  (I also note that you slightly amended the 'airflow' of the steam/smoke coming from your 'Carbon Chamber' pipes, by the way - to allow for the windy conditions in the chasm I presume?  A nice subtle touch)

1.  I was also pleased that you ended up adding a touch of RED to the majority of the many 'missing' (black) chasm 'exhaust ports', as they help improve the background mattes no end.  But I see the ones during the shot where Vader slices the columns at 01:04 in your clip are *still* black (no biggie of course, and l imagine the earlier ones seen when Luke fights Vader at the window before crashing through it are difficult to re-colour too, due to movement unfortunately)  

2.  Also, in the shot of the chasm at 02:40 in your clip (which we see immediately after Luke first looks down), the row of vertical lights on the strip that the 'Vane' is attached to, are *still* WHITE...which unfortunately mis-matches with the all the other shots where you've made them RED now.  These new red vertical lights look great, by the way.

_______

'Underneath Cloud City/Falcon Rescuing Luke' Section

The numerous new cloud shots are all superb, and the re-colouring of the them along with the city's underside really ties everything together better now.  All your time-consuming 'rotoscoping' really paid off here.

3.  It's interesting to see how you've re-structured things where the Falcon approaches Luke now...but I'm a little sorry to lose one of the shots of Luke, as I liked the flow of all the original shots of his precarious situation at this point - and I'll go into this a bit more shortly.  (But first, for the benefit of anyone who didn't notice, I'll summarise your changes - I'll ignore the SE version which crudely chopped things up with various 'shuttle' shots, and only describe the difference between the original (GOUT) version shots and the latest clip) -

In the original (GOUT) version, the Falcon turns around and immediately after Vader says "Bring my shuttle!" there was an initial wide shot of Luke still hanging upside down at the top of the stem he's on (on the left of the frame), before we cut to the distant shot of the small Falcon nearing Cloud City.  Lando then spots the tiny figure of Luke hanging upside-down through the cockpit as they get nearer, and we eventually see another wide shot of Luke making a risky movement onto a lower part of the strut he's on (in the middle of the frame), while the Falcon approaches towards us in the distance (in the left of the frame).  After a couple of close-up shots showing Chewie growling and Leia watching, we then see the small figure of Luke through the cockpit again, where he is now sitting on the lower part of the strut and kicking one of his legs forward, as Leia's voice says "Okay, easy Chewie".  Finally, we see a wide shot where we now see the back of Luke as he sits and kicks his leg out, as the Falcon looms large directly below him. 

In the latest clip however, the Falcon turns around and immediately after Vader says "Bring my shuttle!" we now lose the shot of Luke hanging upside down (on the left of the frame) - it's been replaced with the shot of Luke making a risky movement onto a lower part of the strut, which originally came several shots later (except he's now positioned on the left of the frame, and there's no Falcon approaching in the distance anymore).  We then cut to the distant shot of the small Falcon nearing Cloud City, but when Lando first spots the tiny figure of Luke through the cockpit, it's now a re-use of him sitting on the lower part of the strut, which wasn't seen until several shots later in the original version - although his position still matches with the earlier 'replacement' shot in the clip, where he now continues to sit and kick his leg out until the Falcon looms large directly below him.  Additionally, a shot of Chewie growling has also been removed as the Falcon gets nearer to Luke now.

(For anyone curious, the replaced shot of 'Luke making a risky movement onto a lower part of the strut as the Falcon approaches' can be seen at 1:50:09 on the SE dvd - and is on the original (GOUT) version too, of course)   

I just happen to like the additional, delayed lead-up to Luke making his risky movement onto the lower part of the strut, I guess - I think what jars a little for me is the fact that we now see Luke constantly slowly kicking his leg out in the exact same way during this scene (and I think it's the fact that this Luke element looks strangely like a 'stop-motion puppet' compared to the other shots of him, which is why I preferred to see it used just once like it was the original sequence of shots) - however, if that re-used Luke element could have been made to 'kick out' *less* in one or two of the shots, it would work a lot better I reckon.

I realise that the small approaching Falcon is *too far away* from Luke when we see it approaching him in that particular original shot you removed/exchanged - as it doesn't match with the previous *closer* viewpoint of Luke we see through it's cockpit...but I'd have liked to have seen it retained in it's original place, except with a *closer* Falcon approaching Luke instead, at that point...so that the earlier wide shot of Luke upside-down could have remained.

However, your new version is very cleverly done adywan, and certainly still works fine - and it's always fascinating to see how you re-arrange the order of some shots altogether.

4.  Unfortunately, the detailing on the close-up of the Falcon's 'radar dish' looks all wrong during the shot where Luke falls downwards (seen at 05:43 in the clip)  It seems you've had to leave it as it is though. 

(but nice to see that you've now removed the titchy 'widget' from the top of the Falcon's guns when it hovers below Luke)

_______

'Vader On Executor Bridge' Section

Although each of the Original Trilogy movies had very high production values overall, where design work, set construction, costumes, etc. are concerned...the sheer amount of 'continuity errors' throughout this particular section of ESB always amazes me - I know that 'shortcuts' are part of the 'magic of the movies', and things go unnoticed on a single 'Theatrical' viewing or two...but there sure were are an awful *lot* of confusing 'positioning' issues and set mis-matches during these bridge shots, when scrutinized a little.  Any kind of 'continuity control' seemingly went out the window when these shots were filmed and put together...and they never gave a good indication of where the hell Vader was mean to be positioned. 

Until now. :) 

It's been fascinating to see your continuous refining of various shots these past years, adywan.  And the final re-structuring you've come up with for these 'Executor bridge' scenes are a marvel - the new shot of Vader walking towards the front windows, along with the various new backgrounds you came up with, make complete sense of his movements on the bridge now, and look terrific compared to the original sequence.  (the re-used 'wide bridge' shot is a great establishing replacement for the original shot of 'Vader looking out the window' you removed...and while I liked your earlier 'composite' bridge shot, I reckon you made the right call to *exclude* it at this point, due to the likes of the mis-matching crewmembers in it.  What you've done now works perfectly!  In addition, your new 'walking Vader' figure has turned out much better than the 'workprint' version too)

5.  However, while the flashing 'panel' lights are nice to see in the new wide bridge shot at 07:44, I found that additional amount of times the BLUE strips flashed on and off distracted from taking in all the other goodness overall.  They are certainly a welcome touch as they now tie-in with a couple of other bridge shots where they are briefly seen...but I reckon they would have been less disracting if they had been made to flash on and off a bit *less often* in this particular shot. 

I know you'll be adding these flashing blue strips to a couple of your other shots too...so that gives me an excuse to re-show another of your new wide bridge shots which shows off heaps of improvements when compared to the original versions (and I like that you improved some of those small ceiling lights either side of the large 'pipes' to make them symmetrical) - http://s2.postimg.org/a2m5p0qp5/officer.jpg

At the end of the day, none of the things I've brought up are biggies whatsoever in the scheme of things...especially considering the sheer amount of brilliance overall.

(Finally, I noticed you changed the single green 'panel' light to white when Vader first approaches Piette on the bridge - so checked to see if there was one on the other side of the 'shaking stardestroyer' bridge from earlier in the movie.  There was...and I see that you've removed it from your 'workprint' too, heh.  Now I really must get on with some work!...)

 LOL Wow, It must of taken you as much time to analyze these shots and write up your thoughts as it took ADYWAN to create it..

Good post though never the less...

After I watched the most recent clip that Adywan shared, I just have to ask, "What's your inspiration?"  I mean how to do you come up with what to include in the revisited cuts?

doubleofive said:

I'm pretty sure Adywan does what he thinks looks best. That is the driving force behind the whole project.

 The force is strong with him ;)

xxtelecine 7xx said:

LOL Wow, It must have taken you as much time to analyze these shots and write up your thoughts as it took ADYWAN to create it...

Good post though never the less...

Let's put it this way, that 9 minute segment alone of adywan's current edit makes me realise that the eventual 'Visual Comparison' record for ESB:R is going to have a truly incredible amount of screenshots and info. when it's finally covered!      

I can certainly appreciate *why* this edit has taken adywan so many years to complete - it's due to the sheer number of things he's ended up attending to throughout the whole movie, whether big or miniscule.  Far, far more than I'd have ever guessed that he'd be able to undertake when he started it.

In addition, I forgot to add in my previous post that it was also neat to finally see Lando consistently wearing a BLUE shirt throughout that clip, rather than it changing to grey in some of the shots.  :)

(by the way xxtelecine 7xx, it's not necessary to quote the whole of a long post in future just to comment with a couple of remarks, as it's a chore for everyone to scroll past the same thing again needlessly)

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adywan, something I've been meaning to ask is - do you have some sort of method for keeping a note of all any particular points and suggestions that might interest you from the many, many comments here and over on your 'Revisited' facebook page over the years?  Or do you just mainly check certain things out as you happen to read them anywhere?  Or just try and memorise them as you go along, to check out at a later stage?  Just curious. 

(Also, I recently came across the latest versions of a couple of AT-AT Battle shots that you'd previewed - the new sky replacements are fabulous, and really add to the look of the original shots now.  And I loved seeing the tiny 'Luke' figure in place.  Marvellous stuff) :)  

ImperialFighter said:

In addition, I forgot to add in my previous post that it was also neat to finally see Lando consistently wearing a BLUE shirt throughout that clip, rather than it changing to grey in some of the shots.  :)

(by the way xxtelecine 7xx, it's not necessary to quote the whole of a long post in future just to comment with a couple of remarks, as it's a chore for everyone to scroll past the same thing again needlessly)

 The Reason his shirt becomes turquoise or greyish is because of the bluescreen removal. Again we are talking about shots that have a falcon cockpit window in it.

But the damage goes far greater than just Lando's lilac shirt.

All shots with a window practically destroy anything blue or with blue in it.

Check the cold cathode lights out when there is a window the luminosity is destroyed because they are in the blue light spectrum.

Then all the blue buttons and lights in the falcon cockpit are also wiped out and either are grey or black.

As I am posting I may as well also point out this side panel.

This panel on the lower right is inconsistent with the side views probably shot in the full scale falcon cockpit or another version of the cockpit.

Watch out for the destroyed detail (crushed blacks) on the back of 3PO's chair during the asteroid chase.

Ronster said:

 The Reason his shirt becomes turquoise or greyish is because of the bluescreen removal. Again we are talking about shots that have a falcon cockpit window in it.

But the damage goes far greater than just Lando's lilac shirt.

All shots with a window practically destroy anything blue or with blue in it.

Sure, I'm aware of the various colouration issues in these particular shots Ronster, and I've also read your previous comments on them. 

But I've long since moved on from mourning the loss of the movie's original look, which ended up being replaced by some dreadful 'tinting' and 'crushed blacks' etc. - and the 'rusty'-looking Falcon interiors seen during the latest 9 minute clip are good examples of how things were messed up long ago.

Barring an awful lot of work, there's only so much that adywan can do with picture information which just isn't visible anymore, but I'm pleased he's managed to improve things overall now, as Lando's inconsistent shirt was particularly jarring from shot to shot for me. 

I am with you on all you have said but try to look at it more in a sense of a sliding scale.

When you weigh up those shots that are particularly badly damaged exhibiting the "rusty red" saturation hues and the hyperspace cockpit view you get to a point of saying the video source is not viable. Because well let's be honest they are a write off for so many reasons they are for want of a better word "Shit" and not acceptable.

It would be much easier to use an alternative source for those shots in particular and start in a better place. I am pretty sure a better video source could be made available for those. Much less work then.

Now to address the point about "Barring an awful lot of work, there's only so much that Adywan can do with picture information which just isn't visible anymore, but I'm pleased he's managed to improve things overall now, as Lando's inconsistent shirt was particularly jarring from shot to shot for me."

The most annoying thing about this is that everything has to rest on Ady's shoulders and that we have reached a point where he is now working alone again. It is frustrating that an old VFX process (blue screen) causes the problems it does and the only manner with which to attempt a fix is a "Fake" fix. Then as you said you also have the 2004 crushed blacks. What would be wonderful if tasks such as these which are more "restoration and repair" based could have someone dedicated to this task alone so Ady could get on with the more complicated creations and actual editing.

The thing that strikes me is that there is an extra mile to go both in blue screen reversal damage on all the window shots or any shot with blue absent from blue screen removal that would pay off massively and crushed blacks re-instating lost detail. I will give my example of how to potentially approach it.

I don't disagree with Ady's color corrections but I did find here that the red needed to be shifted orange to get the natural tones out of it and lot's of yellow de-satuation and red de-saturation also. I then added the Blue lights ramped up the strip lights, and added crushed black detail for the round part in top right I tinkered with the light areas of Lando's shirt leaving the shadow color intact. I changed his shirt to try match the previous and the following shot as it is more this color perhaps due to lighting? 

I did this as a still image, and whilst doing this yes I could certainly appreciate how long it would take to do this in terms of footage in say after effects which I do not have. But what I am saying is it would be good to have someone on this job alone mainly concerned  with "repair and restoration" only. There is a very simple formula to it and does not fall in to the Adywan rocket science category :)

I am trying to give a bigger picture in terms of watching the new clip seeing some amazing new shots and then immediately noticing a quality drop due to the state of the special edition and the fact that it's never been quite right since the day the film was released and how far do you want to go with it? I put the ceiling at that point... blue screen reversal damage and restoring missing detail.

I'm sorry I keep posting I am not trying to hog this thread but I have a pretty concrete answer on the missing scene from the snowspeeders in the Hanger found via music cues.

This animation found in Jamie Bennings "Building Empire" @32.29 Is the missing 2.5 seconds that John williams scored the music to before seeing the AT-AT's attack.

I was mouthing 3 snowspeeders whooshing overhead and imagining they were going out the tunnel I got the number that were meant to be there correct in my imagination but I only just realized this is the shot intended and never filmed but scored and they are up in the air already and banking overhead going over camera.

Well honestly I thought it was better than a missing scene card that I put up.

And I pointed it out because I felt it was something I had not seen before 3 speeders coming in to frame left to right hard banking and flying over camera.

and although I did not check the time exactly I did check the seconds and it starts on 32:29 and finishes on 32:31 and a bit so I felt it was also a fit of the 2.5 seconds.

You are saying it's the shot with the turret only heavily altered?