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Nice, please do!
Do, or do not. There is no try.
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I hope all is going well with the capture!

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Zion, What are you using for the resize? Virtualdub or other?
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Zion, have you considered trying to get a copy of the Japanese laserdisc since the transfer was not brightened like the American. It would really help the picture quality if you didn't have to spend so much time trying to get the contrast balance right on a screwed up transfer when a good one is out there somewhere. I remember seeing someone post a screen of it and it looked better than the versions everyone on the board is working on without any corrections applied.
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No. I realized recently that my original capture, compared to karyudo's japanese LD capture, was actually pretty identical. It's my color correction process that was flawed. It's true that the black levels looked a little better, but not nearly as much as people were led to believe. I'll post some screencaps of my next capture to show the difference.

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Hey there MeBeJedi,

I read the exploits of you *morally* justified bootleggers with interest, and just want to assure you that you are not alone. I haven't bought Lucas's half assed/half completed DVD releases either! Keep up the good work!

GPK.

First..

THANKS so much for your support of the fan community.....

Second... These are not "bootlegs".... These are what I like call "Archive Discs" and "Fan Edits" not bootlegs. When the term bootleg is used it is cheaping the works that have been done and impling that these are street "bootlegs" when most people hear that term they hear what roughly translates to [a knock-off or a cheap reproduction]. SO much work has gone into all these DVD's that the fans including myself have created and I think that they should be treated better then "bootlegs" -

I would like to thank Zion, MeBeJedi and everyone else who has contributed to the creation of these "Archive Sets" and all those who support this site and others like it.


Thanks for the terminology clarification Rikter!
I have been surfing ebay looking at the wide variety of SW laser disks that are available. I think we should all buy LD players!
Also just dug up some old SW 'audiobook' tape cassettes from my tape collection. You know the ones, with a narrator talking over the soundtack? Great fun!
I will have to preserve those onto my HD.

You guys are an inspiration. George Lucas must love us all ;-

GPG.


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I always think of "bootlegs" as unofficial releases, and "pirates" as unlicensed reproductions of official releases. An analogy in the music world (where the term is more common), if I bought "Frampton Comes Alive" in Best Buy, that would be an official release. If I bought it from some street vendor in Malaysia for a buck, or downloaded it for free off of Gnutella, that would be a pirate. But if I bought "Frampton Comes Alive at the Local VFW" it would be a bootleg. At least, I don't think there are any official sources of Frampton playing at the local VFW. Of course, I could be wrong.
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Originally posted by: zion
No. I realized recently that my original capture, compared to Karyudo's Japanese LD capture, was actually pretty identical.


Hmm... I'm pretty sure I haven't posted any Japanese LD caps. I'm capping from PAL for the most part; I only made a few sample NTSC-J caps back when I was testing.

Oh, hell: I have a couple of screencaps. Why don't I post 'em already??

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Japan

US
Japan

US
Japan

US
Japan

US
Japan

All these caps were made with the same hardware, software, and settings. They were even taken about 5 minutes apart, so the phase of the moon was also the same. To my eye, the Japanese images are better: blacker blacks, and whiter whites. More easily tweakable.

Not tons of difference (same telecine transfer, of course), but at the pointy end of SW LD conversions, maybe worth worrying about?


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WE need a transfer of the Jap LD's!!

SO whos' gonna send them to whom for this transfer??!?!?!?!



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Originally posted by: Karyudo
All these caps were made with the same hardware, software, and settings.
Same settings? Did you change the video decoder format setting from NTSC-M to NTSC-MJ?

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Hey, Zion... try to make your captures look like that... no ghosts, no color bleed... basically nothing for me to do
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Can it be done with an NTSC player? I wouldn't mind giving it a shot.

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I think the Japanese transfer is better although the stars aren't as clear as the US version from those screenshots.
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There's no question that the Japanese version looks better. However, adjusting the black levels is quite easy to do in the color correction process with Premiere. I've done it with my last set of screencaps, though I think I went a little too dark once again.


After thinking about what happened to my system last night, it might not be my new capture card that's causing the problem. It was acting up before I installed it, and now still doing it after taking the card out again. Basically what's been happening is my computer will freeze momentarily then reset itself (the equivalent to the Blue Screen of Death on 95/98/Me) anytime I'm trying to switch between an open video window and another program. I thought initially that this was just happening with VirtualVCR and my PVR software, but it has happened a few times while trying to watch my newly downloaded MST3K episodes in Media Player Classic. I have a feeling the problem is my semi-over-the-hill video card. (GeForce4 TI-4600)

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Originally posted by: Moth3r
Did you change the video decoder format setting from NTSC-M to NTSC-MJ?


No. I thought about it, but didn't. Maybe that makes a difference; I don't know.

I do know I also didn't change it when I started doing PAL caps, and it still worked fine, so maybe what I would have changed is not the setting that needed to be changed.

Still, US NTSC came in lookin' washed out, while the JPN NTSC came in lookin' nice. No crushing of the blacks, I don't think, and neither are the whites blown out.


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Zion, I had a problem with my Ti4600 a few months back. Not the same as yours, but my games would freeze for 10-15 second and then start up again for a few minutes until freezing again. Very annoying. Anyway, I fell back on the classic NES-fix of opening up my case and blowing the dust out of my video card's heat sink and that seemed to fix things up. You might want to pick up another case fan too, if overheating turns out to be the problem.

If not, pricewatch.com lists a number of cheaply priced replacements.
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Still, US NTSC came in lookin' washed out, while the JPN NTSC came in lookin' nice. No crushing of the blacks, I don't think, and neither are the whites blown out.
I'm no expert in this, but I do know that the NTSC system used in the US has the "black" voltage set above zero, at 7.5 IRE, because of early problems with NTSC broadcasts. The Japanese system has black set to 0 IRE (as does the PAL system). Therefore you would expect that a Japanese disc played on a system properly calibrated to the US system would be too dark.

I don't know why the Japanese discs seem to be showing better colour saturation, unless it's just because the manufacturer of those discs was producing better pressings.

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unless it's just because the manufacturer of those discs was producing better pressings.


bingo, got in one. give the man a prize. the late Jap laserdiscs basically kicked the crap out of a lot of north american stuff, even better than PAL, even though pal had higher res and color fidelity.

the more I think about this, the more I'm convinced the way to get a good color rich capture is off a PAL pressing because NTSC is known for poor color fidelity and inconsistency across frames anyway. it's not known as Not Twice Same Color for nothing.

also, no IVTC needed to get star wars back to 24fps film as PAL is only 24fps film speeded up 4% to get 25fps. just de-interlace, dot crawl fix and away we go.
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Originally posted by: tellan
Not Twice Same Color


ACTUALLY the inofficial meaning of the abbrevation is "Never The Same Color" if there is something inofficial that could be wrong... of course, the real meaning is "National Television Standards Committee".

OK, now I am going to stop being a wise-ass, because most probably the flaming might start sooner as I can say "Never The Same Color".

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Well I always thought that it was "never twice the same color" but Google disagrees with me giving only 587 hits, as opposed to 3880 for "never the same color".

But I think we should refrain from taking Zion's thread even more off topic...

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