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That 1989 'Special Widescreen Edition' Laserdisc set had that ridiculous Shrinking Aspect Ratio problem, which I believe was quietly corrected in 1993 and released with the same artwork and stuff. Isn't that fixed 1993 set considered the best American/NTSC set? Even better than the DC?

I also see the 1986 Japan widescreen set mentioned a ton as the definitive release of the OOT. But, from a restoration/upscale point, we then have to contend with Japanese subtitles.

I'd love to read that entire thread, but there is a ton there. One day. :P

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Zyrother said:

I also see the 1986 Japan widescreen set mentioned a ton as the definitive release of the OOT. But, from a restoration/upscale point, we then have to contend with Japanese subtitles.

IIRC subtitles are outside picture...

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Zyrother said:

That 1989 'Special Widescreen Edition' Laserdisc set had that ridiculous Shrinking Aspect Ratio problem, which I believe was quietly corrected in 1992/93 and released with the same artwork and stuff. Isn't that fixed 1992/93 set considered the best American/NTSC set? Even better than the DC?

I also see the 1986 Japan widescreen set mentioned a ton as the definitive release of the OOT. But, from a restoration/upscale point, we then have to contend with Japanese subtitles.

I'd love to read that entire thread, but there is a ton there. One day. :P

1. The non-shrinking-aspect-ratio '92/93 "Special Widescreen Edition" release was pressed by Technidisc. It suffers from all of the typical issues present in Technidisc pressings of the era; e.g., crosstalk and terrible chroma noise (even for LD!). Also, FWIW, it was sourced from a dirty-as-hell print.

2. The JSC has Japanese subtitles, but they're in the black bars, so it's not an issue.

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The biggest actual issue with the JSC is that it was simply too sharp for 1986 LD mastering/production technology.  It has a high color bandwidth but was done before SuperNTSC, so it is very hard to get rid of all the rainbowing, and the sharpness comes with noise.

But there's a lot in there, if it can all be dug out cleanly.

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happycube said:

The biggest actual issue with the JSC is that it was simply too sharp for 1986 LD mastering/production technology.  It has a high color bandwidth but was done before SuperNTSC, so it is very hard to get rid of all the rainbowing, and the sharpness comes with noise.

But there's a lot in there, if it can all be dug out cleanly.

Can you make a JSC-specific branch of ld-decode? I wonder how much we can pull from it cleanly...

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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For some reason I thought the subtitles were on the picture, and the black bars. Sorry about that.

So if those Technidisc pressings are not very good, which Laserdisc set would be considered the best/ most appropriate for this type of upscale?

Thanks for all the info! :)

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Zyrother said:

So if those Technidisc pressings are not very good, which Laserdisc set would be considered the best/ most appropriate for this type of upscale?

JSC all-the-way

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

AntcuFaalb said:

JSC all-the-way

Don't underestimate the power of the Pyramid Coffret... (^^,)

It could be improved a lot from its "rough" original state
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/126000
but it's still not better than GOUT
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127754

Ah, sorry, I meant just for NTSC.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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No need for a branch (probably) - it'll be a matter of finding and implementing the best settings, maybe an extra comb filter switch or two.  It's probably time I look into EFM/CD decoding though - if my test mode trick for playing PAL disks actually works I'll need it.  (It sort of does, but there is color distortion that may or may not be from the NTSC->PAL conversion the disk I have uses)

I also might document the TBC output so that people can play with making new comb filters.

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happycube said:

I also might document the TBC output so that people can play with making new comb filters.

That would rock!

A picture is worth a thousand words. Post 102 is worth more.

I’m late to the party, but I think this is the best song. Enjoy!

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DrDre said:

Here's the updated 10 min sample for the debugged super resolution v8 ... There's more detail than before. Sadly, aliasing remains an issue.

I'm still DL'ing and haven't done the usual zoomed-in critiquing, but it's looking really good. As long as you've squashed the bugs and have rung everything you can out of this application/version of the SuperResolution filter, I think you can chalk-up your project as a success!

If you're satisfied with it as having attained your goal of a non-intrusive HD up-rez (and cheers on this best first-run-looking presentation), I'd say you're probably finished. Of course, you mentioned looking into another super resolution application. If that looks more promising, maybe a continuation of this thread? Or a new project thread?

Anyway, well done here! 

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I doubt that this will be the last version - the past has shown that this thread and DrDre's ambitions go on and on ;)

Darth Id on ‘Why “Ben”?’:

And while we’re at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill’s character “Luke Skywalker,” since it’s my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle.  It just doesn’t make sense!

Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle “Luke”!

Damn You!!!

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Just what I said ;)

Do you have some R2 for us?

Darth Id on ‘Why “Ben”?’:

And while we’re at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill’s character “Luke Skywalker,” since it’s my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle.  It just doesn’t make sense!

Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle “Luke”!

Damn You!!!

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This may not be the place to ask, but I've done a fair bit of looking around and can't find anywhere better, and I don't feel like it warrants its own thread, so please be gentle. Are there any HD GOUT upscales of the entire trilogy already available? I've got Team Blu's Star Wars '77 BD, but I don't see the other two on myspleen and I don't know that they even exist, and I've seen Dark Jedi's 720p upscale listed as a source on Harmy's Despecialized Editions, but I've only ever been able to find his SD dvds. Am I searching for something that doesn't exist, or am I just looking in the wrong place?

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DrDre, difference is subtle, but noticeable! Now you must get rid of all the halos... (^^,)

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I'm afraid the filter settings I'm using now can't handle R2. It's meant for the kind of aliasing like in this example (C3PO's chest and arm):

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127763

There is halo filter in place that reduces it to GOUT levels. Stronger settings destroy the detail.

There's no GOUT trilogy upscale I'm aware of. I'm planning to do them all in the next months, and Team Blu should start on TESB soon I believe.

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DrDre said:

Oke, super resolution v9 will have reduced aliasing. I have found an antialiasing filter that reduces the aliasing compared to the raw GOUT and leaves the detail intact. The differences will be subtle, but noticeable.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127758

Well done indeed! It seems to be just strong enough to deal with the problem areas without compromising detail. Now if only there was a way to get rid of those pesky ringing artifacts, this would be just about perfect!

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joefavs said:

Are there any HD GOUT upscales of the entire trilogy already available?
Hyperspace Collection

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Darth Mallwalker said:

joefavs said:

Are there any HD GOUT upscales of the entire trilogy already available?

Hyperspace Collection

 Thank you kindly.

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DrDre said:

I'm afraid the filter settings I'm using now can't handle R2. It's meant for the kind of aliasing like in this example (C3PO's chest and arm):

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127763

There is halo filter in place that reduces it to GOUT levels. Stronger settings destroy the detail.

There's no GOUT trilogy upscale I'm aware of. I'm planning to do them all in the next months, and Team Blu should start on TESB soon I believe.

 The halos have been looking pretty decent for several iterations. The new settings don't break that at all, do they? edit: the vader choke frame does indeed look like it has enhanced/sharpened haloing in v9. At least by this comparison. 

The vader choke frame that you've uploaded seems to have some halo-ing, but I swear it didn't look bad in motion in your last mkv (I think).