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Masirimso3 said:

So I was wondering... Are you going to add a cool lightsaber music to the Bespin duel like you added Battle of the Heroes to the Death Star duel? I thought that was very well done and I would like to see something similar to that.

I made a quick idea video on how it would be like (and please read the description) if you put Duel of the Fates from the Phantom Menace to that duel:

youtube.com/watch?v=gE_4DvHAGsQ

P.S. If I'm doing something wrong by posting the YouTube link the I sincerely apologize. It's just that I couldn't find a video adding button to the post like in Fanedit.org.

Ady has no intention of adding music to the Cloud City duel. In fact, I think he intends to dial back his changes when he redoes ANH in HD, and that won't include Battle of the Heroes anymore either.

The original intent adding that music was that it was symbolic of Vader and Obi's last battle. Duel of the Fates on the other hand has no significance to either Vader or Luke, so I don't think there's any payoff with it. Maybe in another edit :)

brash_stryker said:

Ady has no intention of adding music to the Cloud City duel. In fact, I think he intends to dial back his changes when he redoes ANH in HD, and that won't include Battle of the Heroes anymore either. 

The original intent adding that music was that it was symbolic of Vader and Obi's last battle. Duel of the Fates on the other hand has no significance to either Vader or Luke, so I don't think there's any payoff with it. Maybe in another edit :)

I understand, that's cool. In my opinion the lightsaber fight in A New Hope, while still fun, lacked the energy of the fights in Episode V, VI, I, II and III. Adywan's added music belped add some energy and excitement to the fight. While the Bespin duel was much better, I thought some more excitement would be welcome so I decided that Duel of the Fates, while, yes, it didn't have to do anything with Vader and Luke, still added a lot of excitement and fun to the already emotionally and physically strong battle making t even more perfect than it was.

Also why does Adywan want to remove the music from ANH:RHD? I thought the music helped the fight very much (I already explained how).

Sorceror said:

CommandBen said:

Hey Adywan, Is there any chance of getting a "Beta/Early" Release copy of ESB Revisited before Star Wars Celebration Anaheim? 

 If you want to see a "work in progress" for an obsessive fan-edit, check out The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut. There have been 4 major releases of that, and on top of that a few demo/workprint/buggy versions. It's lots of fun trying to track down the ONE you want. And of course, Mark 5 is going to be amazing, with a new HD transfer ...

Slightly off-topic, but I'm wondering when Adywan is going to tackle the Star Wars Christmas Special. That's in dire need of restoration, and with Ep VII teasers running around, it's a really important element of the canon that a lot of people forget.

 Why am I reading about The Thief and the Cobbler on a Star Wars site, in a Star Wars forum, in a Star Wars thread?  And apparently that wasn't even the "slightly off-topic" part!

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Masirimso3 said:

I understand, that's cool. In my opinion the lightsaber fight in A New Hope, while still fun, lacked the energy of the fights in Episode V, VI, I, II and III. Adywan's added music belped add some energy and excitement to the fight. While the Bespin duel was much better, I thought some more excitement would be welcome so I decided that Duel of the Fates, while, yes, it didn't have to do anything with Vader and Luke, still added a lot of excitement and fun to the already emotionally and physically strong battle making t even more perfect than it was. Well, maybe when it's released I might add the music to the downloaded fanedit, like I'm planning to do for ADigitalMan's version (along with removing the added Wampa Shots restoring "the Jaws effect" as HelloGreedo from YouTube put it).

Also why does Adywan want to remove the music from ANH:RHD? I thought the music helped the fight very much (I already explained how).

The thing is, duels (lightsaber or otherwise) can have significance other than 'exciting' and 'cool'. It's understandable that the Episode I clash would be scored with exhilarating choral music, because it's a visually spectacular duel with relatively low stakes.

But the later battles (each of which involves Anakin or Vader, by the way) have increasingly more complex emotion behind them - they're still epic, but in a different way. I personally feel that 'Battle of the Heroes' is a bungled choice; it shouldn't be a loud and energetic piece of scoring at all, given that the Episode III duel is the tragic climax of the saga.

But moving on to the OT, the scoring is just right as it is - in Star Wars the very idea of a lightsaber battle was new, so it's understandable that scoring wasn't felt necessary until the very end; the (carefully edited) music in the ESB duel beautifully captures Luke's fear and heartbreak; the climactic Jedi clash is scored with one of the finest pieces in the whole saga (a truly epic cue if every there was one).

To plaster these scenes with pounding action music would be to completely miss the point.

TV's Frink said:

Sorceror said:

CommandBen said:

Hey Adywan, Is there any chance of getting a "Beta/Early" Release copy of ESB Revisited before Star Wars Celebration Anaheim? 

 If you want to see a "work in progress" for an obsessive fan-edit, check out The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut. There have been 4 major releases of that, and on top of that a few demo/workprint/buggy versions. It's lots of fun trying to track down the ONE you want. And of course, Mark 5 is going to be amazing, with a new HD transfer ...

Slightly off-topic, but I'm wondering when Adywan is going to tackle the Star Wars Christmas Special. That's in dire need of restoration, and with Ep VII teasers running around, it's a really important element of the canon that a lot of people forget.

 Why am I reading about The Thief and the Cobbler on a Star Wars site, in a Star Wars forum, in a Star Wars thread?  And apparently that wasn't even the "slightly off-topic" part!

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A) Because the chap is talking about the possible beta releases of Star Wars Ep V Revisited edition by Adywan in the thread related to that project.

B) He isn't aware of the 'history' between the creator of the The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut on these forums and with the various contributors on here he attempted to gain cash from illegally selling their work.

Probably :-D

Sorry, I don't buy A.  A tangent isn't on-topic just because it's connected to the topic by definition of being a tanget.  He might has well have started talking about Anaheim's baseball team and the terrible contracts they signed Josh Hamilton and Albert Pujols to.

Besides, I'm pretty much the off-topic authority here. ;-)

Jonno said:

The thing is, duels (lightsaber or otherwise) can have significance other than 'exciting' and 'cool'. It's understandable that the Episode I clash would be scored with exhilarating choral music, because it's a visually spectacular duel with relatively low stakes.

But the later battles (each of which involves Anakin or Vader, by the way) have increasingly more complex emotion behind them - they're still epic, but in a different way. I personally feel that 'Battle of the Heroes' is a bungled choice; it shouldn't be a loud and energetic piece of scoring at all, given that the Episode III duel is the tragic climax of the saga.

But moving on to the OT, the scoring is just right as it is - in Star Wars the very idea of a lightsaber battle was new, so it's understandable that scoring wasn't felt necessary until the very end; the (carefully edited) music in the ESB duel beautifully captures Luke's fear and heartbreak; the climactic Jedi clash is scored with one of the finest pieces in the whole saga (a truly epic cue if every there was one).

To plaster these scenes with pounding action music would be to completely miss the point.

That's fine, however in my opinion the duel of Bespin would work very well with action music, a portion of used it did too, the middle portion, with The Clash of the Lightsabers. Without Duel of the Fates it still works but not much would change. Duel of the Fates gives more excitement to it in my opinion. My video shows how it can be edited. It's the revelation of Vader being Luke's father where the true emotion comes in my opinion, so I had no problem with adding music to Empire. The problem with adding music actually comes in Return of the Jedi. If you had added Duel of the Fates (or any other exciting music) would rob it's emotion, his dilemma of fighting his father, falling to the Dark Side etc. So if I added it to Return of the Jedi I would agree with you that adding music would rob the emotion from the fight. But here I don't agree you completely. But that's fine, no problem if you disagree.

TV's Frink said:

Sorry, I don't buy A.  A tangent isn't on-topic just because it's connected to the topic by definition of being a tanget.  He might has well have started talking about Anaheim's baseball team and the terrible contracts they signed Josh Hamilton and Albert Pujols to.

Besides, I'm pretty much the off-topic authority here. ;-)

Unlike Garrett Gilchrist's 'warez' (self recobbled or stolen) you don't have to buy anything.

The guy is essentially asking Ady, "Y U No do what what Gilchrist did?" RE beta versions (not ripping off other people's work as we know Ady is too nice a chap for that)

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.Mac. said:

Masirimso3 said:

That’s fine, however in my opinion the duel of Bespin would work very well with action music, a portion of used it did too, the middle portion, with The Clash of the Lightsabers. Without Duel of the Fates it still works but not much would change. Duel of the Fates gives more excitement to it in my opinion.

While music can sometimes make a scene more exciting, other times though (depending on the mood and what’s happening in a scene), no music can have its own positive reward and therefore be the better choice. In the case of Luke’s initial confrontation with Vader in the freezing chamber, no music there makes the scene more ominous in an already haunting environment. Our ears really hone in on all the details around - the steam and other subtle background elements, Vader’s breathing, then the duel itself - it’s a very thrilling experience of its own really 😃

Fair enough. I too think the scene is already thrilling but I think Duel of the Fates hightens the excitement of our main character duelling with the murderer of his father (which is later revealed to be his father himself). But<span style=“line-height: 14.3999996185303px;”>, if you think it’s better without music then you have no argument from me 😉 To each his own.</span>

Jonno said:

But moving on to the OT, the scoring is just right as it is

 It's a bit of a sweeping statement but yeah on the whole with regard to Light Saber duels I will agree with you but not as a complete film (ESB) or saga there are mistakes in there... and there are also problems created by the special editions too with regard to music and cues.... Don't forget that.

Bingowings said:

TV's Frink said:

Sorry, I don't buy A.  A tangent isn't on-topic just because it's connected to the topic by definition of being a tanget.  He might has well have started talking about Anaheim's baseball team and the terrible contracts they signed Josh Hamilton and Albert Pujols to.

Besides, I'm pretty much the off-topic authority here. ;-)

Unlike Garrett Gilchrist's 'warez' (self recobbled or stolen) you don't have to buy anything.

The guy is essentially asking Ady, "Y U No do what what Gilchrist did?" RE beta versions (not ripping off other people's work as we know Ady is too nice a chap for that)

-=#:-) /

 But Josh Hamilton is crazy overpaid!

Ronster said:

 It's a bit of a sweeping statement but yeah on the whole with regard to Light Saber duels I will agree with you but not as a complete film (ESB) or saga there are mistakes in there... and there are also problems created by the special editions too with regard to music and cues.... Don't forget that.

 Strangely no 'mistakes' and 'problems' sprung to mind when I confidently described Williams' original Star Wars scores as 'just right'.

Examples please. And feel free to ignore technical errors, along with any reference to SE mutilations - I certainly wasn't talking about those.

Music editing issues... NOT John Williams Music Score.

Jonno said:

Examples please.

Jonno said:

Jonno said:

Examples please.

 

 http://vimeo.com/102512839

I really can't be bothered with an argument with someone who is being pushy with me and someone I don't know... I have had a long day at work so I'll give you one example in the link above because I just can't be arsed to reel off 8 months worth (on and off) of studying the score of ESB..

In the film 2 pieces of totally different music at different tempo's blended together by Mr. Balloon Hands and Mrs Sloppy scissors very Jarringly so. The clip is an attempt to put the original music back as best I could. took about 2 weeks and It's no good, It can not be done with any of the existing audio so it's a dead end... But It gives you an idea of what the music was meant to be like for this scene but the easier option and possible solution to the problem is simply to blend the 2 existing pieces of music present in the film together by cross fading through and not hard cutting like hitting a brick wall of music all of sudden.

You won't be getting another example either good night.

Oh dear, I thought we were having a discussion. It is of course up to you whether you answer my question, but you seemed keen to make a point about perceived problems that I had no real awareness of.

Music editing in the analogue age wasn't exactly a precise art, and you'll find errors where you look for them. While I certainly wasn't trying to argue that the presentation of the OT scores were technically perfect - not that I have ever found them lacking in my many, many viewings - I was talking about the music itself: themes, melodies, orchestration. Consistently good judgement in the OT, frequently dropped balls in the PT (and SEs).

Our friend above seems to be advocating change for change's sake; I think the project under discussion is a little more respectful to the original material, though Adywan's tolerance for the rougher aspects of the mix is his to choose.

Anyway. Sorry you've had a tiring day, and hope you have more success with your own restorations...

brash_stryker said:

 

I think he intends to dial back his changes when he redoes ANH in HD...

 Are you referring to a 1080p edit?  I've downloaded ANH by Adywan and it looks very crisp and HD to me.  Granted I haven't actually started it yet, but I've skimmed through it for now.

He never made an HD ANHR...either you are watching something else, or you are very bad at judging video resolution.

TV's Frink said:

He never made an HD ANHR...either you are watching something else, or you are very bad at judging video resolution.

I just checked the resolution, and you're right; it's 720x356.  I guess on a Note 3, that's good enough!

Is he going to be releasing ESB before the HD ANR?

hansolo8004 said:

Is he going to be releasing ESB before the HD ANR?

 Yes.

muddyknees2000 said:

hansolo8004 said:

Is he going to be releasing ESB before the HD ANR?

 Yes.

 What about ROTJ Revisited? Will that be out before ANH Revisited HD?

He has said he will make the rest of Revisited simultaneously.

So presumably AR:SE or ROTJ:R will be released when they are finished whichever is finished first.

What is the ETA for Empire Revisited now?