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That looks phenomenal! I feel like these sorts of shots appear unfairly bad only because I haven't ever seen them look any better than GOUT-sourced stuff.

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently.

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I've figured out Mike's plan. He's gonna put up before and after videos for each shot and scene and let us piece together his restoration of Star Wars right under the noses of Lucasfilm!

It's genius...

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If only Vimeo was 4k...

[ Scanning stuff since 2015 ]

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SVHS said:

I've figured out Mike's plan. He's gonna put up before and after videos for each shot and scene and let us piece together his restoration of Star Wars right under the noses of Lucasfilm!

It's genius...

 

Shhhhhhh.......

If I had some gum, I’d chew a hole into the sun…

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Holy goodness, that difference is phenomenal! Wow!!

Whatever algorithms, software you've created for this you should market, it's amazing.

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mverta said:

Speeding to Mos Eisley

If I recall correctly, the plate was originally shot as the exterior of Toshi Station but when they cut those scenes it ended up being used for the entrance to Mos Eisley instead, yet another reason for the sky mismatch.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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SVHS said:

I've figured out Mike's plan. He's gonna put up before and after videos for each shot and scene and let us piece together his restoration of Star Wars right under the noses of Lucasfilm!

It's genius...

 On the contrary, I feel like he cuts a lot of these restored shots a bit short in his videos so that no one lifts them. :)

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Mike, do you suppose the reason the Tunisia stuff has that much noise is from static electricity due to the sand? I know that if they had any kind of dust storms it could have affected the camera magazines. Also, that could be why those shots are so rough - depending on how careful they were with those cameras when loading/unloading and swapping mags there's a lot of room for contamination. Just kind of thinking out loud here...

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Geez, I don't know, but I know it's not JUST that, because there are shots from the Elstree shoot that exhibit the same quality.  The film really takes a large step in quality when Gil Taylor stopped using filters to soften and diffuse the photography (behind the back of GL, and at the behest of the studio, which pissed GL off, apparently).  You can instantly see it - shots of C3PO and R2 hiding in that little alcove looking at the Falcon - you can instantly see how much sharper and clearer those shots are. 

_Mike

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Huh. I wonder if their cameras were shielded back then? Do you know what model they were using for Tunisia and possibly Elstree? (not that it really matters, just curious). Yeah, I know what you mean though about the diffusion. 

Off topic, did Gil piss GL off enough to have to put the filters back on? I'm always baffled by GL decision to use filters/diffusion. You can add it in post if you want (albeit with a slightly different look), so to me it's kind of silly to do it in camera and jack up your negatives...

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All Tunisia stuff we have seen on Mike's samples so far are optical effects done in an optical printer to create fades, dissolves and composite work. It has gone through multiple generations. That's why I believe it's rough. Does the following scene after this latest sample exhibit the same noise? I would be surprised if it did.

 

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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Yeah, I guess even the other "in Mos Eisley" parts kind of look like that.

I wonder if they processed all the stuff at the same time? If so, could their color developing bath have been too hot? I know I intentionally boil (not literally) my B/W negs to increase grain, and I know that has an effect on color film too - I wonder if they rushed development of stuff run through the optical printer? Mike, are the shots you're talking about at Elstree run through the compositor/optical printer at all?

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The best looking shots in the film are on the Elstree stage, and they're not part of opticals, and they're uncharacteristically sharp and clean.  You can't miss them when scrubbing through a print, it's like somebody just slipped the negative in in places.

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Not completely sure if I posted in this thread yet, but I've been following it for awhile. 

I'd just like to say that you're pretty cool and talented Mike. We share the same favorite movie. I only wish I had the same resources as you so I could give it the same treatment, but I'm glad someone out there will be able to see the film as it was originally intended, and certainly that someone deserves to be you after all the work you've put in to it. I can only hope that someday the powers that be allow the rest of the world to finally see this brilliant (and immensely important) film as it should be.

Anyway, I just had a thought, it might be interesting, when all is said and done, for you to piece these videos together with new ones to create a sort of documentary on the making of this project. I'm sure there'd be a lot of great insight into this film we all think we know, as your videos have proven. It'd be cool to have all your work and knowledge in one package.

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Thank you for the kind words - sharing the work is my dream; restoring it is the mission.  

There actually is a documentary about the project in the works, being shot by an insanely talented up-and-coming cinematographer named Laura Beth Love, with interviews with all the people who've helped, breakdowns of the process, clips, etc.  If everything goes according to Murphy's Law, the final scene should be Disney announcing a pristine 4K release of the original, just as I'm finishing up, for your sort-of Scorcese ending.  :)

_Mike 

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But of course, Disney couldn't stand to be upstaged by a scruffy-looking nerf herder.

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Wow, you're not kidding. Very bold imagery on her site.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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mverta said:

Thank you for the kind words - sharing the work is my dream; restoring it is the mission.  

There actually is a documentary about the project in the works, being shot by an insanely talented up-and-coming cinematographer named Laura Beth Love, with interviews with all the people who've helped, breakdowns of the process, clips, etc.  If everything goes according to Murphy's Law, the final scene should be Disney announcing a pristine 4K release of the original, just as I'm finishing up, for your sort-of Scorcese ending.  :)

_Mike 

Wow, that sounds great. 

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That's what I fear about the Disney endorsed 4K restoration of Star Wars.

The blu-ray restorations of their animated features are unashamed revisions at the best of times with redrawn cels, flattened colour and removal of vibrant compositing details. All of these quirks and by-products of working in a wholly hand-crafted environment before the use of digital cel colouring and compositing really brought life to the animation. Gave it a shimmer and feel that we were watching 24 very unique frames per second, rather than a more perfected but paradoxically blander set of images.

It's like watching new Simpsons episodes. I believe the cels are still hand drawn but the colour, compositing and editing are all done digitally. So what you get is a strange 'flash animation' feel about it all which stands in complete contrast to the earlier seasons that have a very atmospheric and hand assembled quality to them that helps assist the storyline and ability for the audience to indulge in the characters and the show.

Now, to Star Wars. In my estimation, it's gonna be difficult for Disney to put out a very pure, unaltered restoration much like Mike's without having more than a few people within the company asking to recomposite effects shots, remove wires, fix the obvious visual and sound errors and grade the colour more in line with what a present-day audience is used to. In that effect, we may very well get another Special Edition in all but name. It'll be free of the 1997 and onwards CGI additions, but it will still be a revision and still not adhere to what audiences first saw in 1977.

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Don't forget the same digital destruction studio behind the 2004 remasters did a lot of the Disney "restorations" too.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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About 20 years ago or so, when I was running my own post-production company, I used to do my film outs with a company up the street called Pixel Magic, which also did restoration work.  Disney came to them and challenged them to participate in a shoot-out with Lowry to win a contract for a bunch of restoration work.  Pixel Magic, and their by-hand approach vs. Lowry with their relatively new automated approach.

The Lowry approach obliterated gradients and ate all the glints out of people's eyes, while Pixel Magic's hand-crafted results were vastly superior.

Lowry got the contract.

_Mike

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