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Info: Star Wars Laser Disc 1989 I found the same problem in the 1992 version "Incredible Shrinking Ratio"

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This site says that the 1992 version fixed the Wide Screen problem “Incredible Shrinking Ratio” http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/ep4.htm that the problem got fixed in the 1992 release of Star Wars on LaserDisc. Well I check my 1992 version and it has the same problem the “Incredible Shrinking Ratio” I check the jacket of the cover its says 1992 but I bought these used at the laserDisc store I shopped at years ago may be they change the Disc. I looked at the Disc and they also say 1992. If any one can please check there LaserDisc and see if they have this problem please let me know.

WHAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN: The letterboxed Japanese transfer was used to create this edition and since the picture on that had been shifted up, some slight re-adjustment was necessary to equalize the letterbox bands and place the 2.35 frame closer to the center. How this was done was through a “controlled video scroll” (like adjusting the vertical hold on an older TV set) to move the picture to the approximate center of the screen. The top of the frame, now vacant of the original picture, was matted over with a black letterbox band. Now here’s the kicker: since this was all done by eye, at some point during this correction process the top letterbox band began over-matting onto the top edge of the picture. This essentially changed the aspect ratio of the film midway! To check for yourselves, grab this laserdisc and chapter to the cantina sequence. Go up to your screen and mark where the top letterbox band meets the top of the picture frame. At the point Greedo gets shot, the top black band will creep down lower than its original position. And to make matters worse, this happens a second time somewhere during the course of the film. So by the point the rebels are preparing to attack the Death Star, the film’s aspect ratio has changed from 2.35:1 to 2.55:1. This “Incredible Shrinking Ratio” was later corrected in 1992 and issued on both VHS and laserdisc. See below for that [ Very Special Thanks to David C. Fein ]

And I foudn the same problem in the 1992 release. The only thing I can think of FOX had some old LaserDisc and thet slapped new labs on they to sell.

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Spider, while Im sure there are a few people who may not know these things.... do a search first. The topics in these threads you have started have all been well covered in other threads. You have made refrence to the DavisDVD Star Wars video timline in two other threads.


http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1466
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1345

aka nostromo777 on myspleen

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Originally posted by: Echo3
Spider, while Im sure there are a few people who may not know these things.... do a search first. The topics in these threads you have started have all been well covered in other threads. You have made refrence to the DavisDVD Star Wars video timline in two other threads.


http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1466
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1345


I wanted to post this but I do not want Spider to think I'm picking on him

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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"Echo3" What I', saying is that this http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/ep4.htm is wrong
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...which you could have said in one of your many earlier threads about your own transfer. Lay off on creating a new thread everytime you need to tell the world something.

BTW, it doesn't help that the sheer length of your post (most of which is quoted material), makes it extremely difficult to understand precisely what it is you are trying to say. Learn some HTML codes, please.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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"MeBeJedi" You should learn to be a bit nicer.
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Perhaps, but this habit of yours has been pointed out before, and it apparently did not make a difference. You have several threads dedicated to your transfer. Use them well.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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found another good site for info http://www.sandcrawler.com/SWB/cbsfox.html
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"MeBeJedi" You should learn to be a bit nicer.

Dude - we are being nice.

1st - You have broken protocol by offering your discs for sale not once but MORE that once now (all others have refrained)

2nd - You seem to have FAILED to read forum or it's rules - IF you do a search you can find links to virtually every thing you've posted.

THIS is why you've been catching flak...........

It's a wonder that Jay hasn't tossed you for selling your DVD's here AFTER Jay posted this.

Originally posted by: Jay

Let me say that again: DO NOT POST BOOTLEGS FOR SALE HERE

The official rules as of 9-30-2004:

Preservation Forum Rules

  1. Do not offer bootlegs for sale.
  2. Do not advertise sites that offer bootlegs for sale. Do not link to such sites or direct users to them.
  3. Do not post direct links to downloads.


I have since STOPPED posting links to my free downloads and I've also stopped offering sets here on the forum.

Spider, in order for your stay to be smooth and fun you need to simply play by the rules and just keep ALL OF YOUR sets in ONE thread that and PLEASE read the forum rules and please search before you make a post.

NOW Children let's play nice.....

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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What would YOU know about being nice, you prick!@#

(j/k! I couldn't help myself. )

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Originally posted by: Rikter
"MeBeJedi" You should learn to be a bit nicer. It's a wonder that Jay hasn't tossed you for selling your DVD's here AFTER Jay posted this.

Originally posted by: Jay

Let me say that again: DO NOT POST BOOTLEGS FOR SALE HERE

The official rules as of 9-30-2004:

Preservation Forum Rules

  1. Do not offer bootlegs for sale.
  2. Do not advertise sites that offer bootlegs for sale. Do not link to such sites or direct users to them.
  3. Do not post direct links to downloads.
Probably because Jay knows censorship is bad, and wants to give spidy a chance. He is, after all, a great admin.
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Very True...

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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"MeBeJedi" no your prick.

This post I made talks about my LD to DVD copies I made
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1436

This post talk about a defect in the 1989 to 1992 LD does not talk about my remaster
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1473

This post talks about websites history video releases
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1466

In this post I'm ask if people in north America went to PAL
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1452
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Don't make this about my prick...I hear enough about it already.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Then do not call me a prick and I wont say any thing about you then.
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In case you missed it, I called Rikter a prick as a joke...

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
In case you missed it, I called Rikter a prick as a joke...
You just had to tell him, didn't you.
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Despite the hostile reactions to his original post, it seems Spider was right on the money.

Here's my own captures from my own copy of the 1992 Mitsubishi pressing:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5885/shrink.png

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2663/shrinkage.png

As you can see, it's still shrinking.
It should be noted that both shrinks happen at reel changeovers.
[In case you're wondering why I haven't shown consecutive frames, it's because I don't want to bother IVTC'ing.]

And one more, taken from the same side of the same disc:

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1993/colorbars.png

The color bars aren't very uniform, nevertheless I tried to get my capture settings 'in the ballpark'.

At this point I'm wondering if the shrinking ratio really ever got fixed.
Did Mitsubishi make more than one pressing run? Or did Fein give Davis misinformation?

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Talk about resurrecting the dead! ;)

The "fixed" version is supposed to have the modern "Fox Video" logo to distinguish it from the CBS/Fox version. This may only be on the jacket and disc labels though.

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Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:


Talk about resurrecting the dead! ;)

The "fixed" version is supposed to have the modern "Fox Video" logo to distinguish it from the CBS/Fox version. This may only be on the jacket and disc labels though.

Apparently that's what Spider thought, and Rikter, and russs15 & dark_jedi and everyone who read the davisdvd.com site.
(can still be found on the wayback machine at archive.org)

davisdvd.com said:

Release Format: Laserdisc
Release Date: 1992
Studio: Fox Video
Technical Comments: 2.35:1 letterboxed transfer (corrected from the 1989 laserdisc)
Comments: The 1989 laserdisc was quietly reissued with the newly corrected letterboxed transfer, completely doing away with the "incredible shrinking ratio" problem. This release, pressed by Mitsubishi Japan, features the same catalog number as the 1989 release. So how can you tell the two apart? This corrected edition is released by "Fox Video." Coupled with the 1985 audio mix, this could very well likely be the best presentation of the film [ Thanks to David C. Fein ]

-My jacket says "Fox Video" (not CBS/FOX) . . . meaningless from eBay

-My disc labels say (c)1992 Mfd. in Japan . . . but disc labels can be mis-applied so don't trust 'em

-My etchings in the reflective foil layer indicate it was pressed in Mitsubishi factory!!!
[Some laserdisc guru called Robert Niland has written a guide to identifying mint marks. Try goggling "LD09.TXT" should find it...]

-My Side 3 has the color bars I showed, which is also supposed to identify the remaster:

blam1.com said:

Mitsubishi repressing of the Widescreen edition. Identical to the Pioneer edition, with the exception of two chapters at the end of Side 3, which included SMTPE Color Bars and a Surround System Audio Check. Jacket art has been modified slightly.

I thought my copy matched all the criteria ... and I still ended up with a shrinking ratio!
It's incredible how much George suck$

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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As it's a recycle of the Japanese Special Collection CAV set transfer anyway, (sans aspect ratio screwup) why not get your hands on that?

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Where were you in '77?

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Darth Mallwalker said:


It's incredible how much George suck$

By now I've collected four distinct pressings of SWE

The first three:
-Pioneer, Japan (PVC)
-Pioneer, USA (PVI)
-Mitsubishi, Japan
are believed to be recycled from JSC transfer. They all shrink.

The fourth copy pressed by Technidisc in Troy, Michigan is sans-screwup
and is not recyled JSC transfer. It's a different transfer. See here.

For the record, here are my Mitsubishi mint marks which I mentioned earlier
C1130-85 A 04
C1130-85 B 05
C1130-85 C 07

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
-Moth3r

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Darth Mallwalker said:

Moth3r would you please, please, please check your copy (if your player isn't packed away) and tell us whether or not yours shrinks at those two reel changeover points which I've shown in that this thread?

C1130-85 A 03
C1130-85 B 03
C1130-85 C 04

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