Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 92

The Merchant said:

I'm not so sure how to feel about Plagueis being in this.....

I, personally, would fear for my sanity had I any sanity left to fear for. 

SilverWook said:

These alleged plot leaks are all bupkis until we see some more footage anyway. ;)

The Plagueis rumor has been around since last year, too.  Also, isn't Plagueis plot originally George's idea?  I thought it was reported his treatments weren't going to be used for the ST... aside from OT characters returning, of course.

Question: what do you all think of Adam Driver, who could possibly be around for 2 more movies?  I know he's on Girls, but I never really watched the show.

Nocturnaloner said:

Question: what do you all think of Adam Driver, who could possibly be around for 2 more movies?  I know he's on Girls, but I never really watched the show.

 I'd never heard of him before this post.

He's a young actor who looks like this and is said to play Kylo Ren, who first appears as an Alliance pilot, but then is later revealed to be a Sith.  He could also be Han Solo's son, if the rumors pasted above are not BS.

Nocturnaloner said:

Question: what do you all think of Adam Driver, who could possibly be around for 2 more movies?

I think he looks a little too goofy to play a villain who isn't a drug dealer.

Of course, that doesn't mean he can't pull it off.

How do we know he won't be playing a drug dealer?

TV's Frink said:

How do we know he won't be playing a drug dealer?

Personally, I'm hoping for a trilogy centered around Death Stick smuggling. 

All I've seen of Adam Driver is from Girls and his brief (and hilarious) appearance in Inside Llewyn Davis.  

He seems like an amazing actor.  He completely steals the show in Girls.  The episodes that heavily feature him are what keep me watching.

I have a feeling he will fit into the GFFA just as well as any of the original actors.  He has a unique look as well, almost right out of the 70's, depending on how they manage his facial hair and costuming.

I have no doubts about his casting, regardless of the role he plays.

Sorry about such a downer for a first post but who else on here believes all the spoilers make the movie sound like it's going to be a load of self-aware crap? 

No, I was all for the the new films up until a point that I can't remember. It was probably somewhere around the point where I heard the characters were all going to be in exile and learning that Kylo Renn looks like baby Darth.  

Also, the whole idea of the victory of ROTJ rings quite hollow if the main characters or their offspring are going to channel the Dark One.  At best it's history repeating itself, at worst it's bastardisation. 

As for whether the prequels set the precedent for suckiness... there is always the possibility of the new films sucking in a different way. 

SilverWook said:

There is a grand tradition of deception and misdirection in the production of a Star Wars film. Dave Prowse was given phony dialog to say on ESB, and there were fake script pages on Return of the Jedi.

It's not a stretch to imagine J.J. doing this one better, and shoot fake scenes.

I have no doubt that Abrams is playing with us. It's worth noting many of the rumors starting rolling out after photos\concept art were leaked, interviews were given and official news released.  It's as if people are trying to connect the dots with what known information is out there.  The rumors even got the names of some of the characters wrong... unless if the officially released names are aliases, which is another rumor.

I don't know what would be stranger, if the information being true, or Abrahams loosing his time sending phony information. At the end of the day it's just a movie, like Mark Hammill, the most centered guy ever on this saga, said.

Regarding Han, he had a price on his head in ANH. Was frozen to death in ESB. Almost died in the Sarlacc Pit. Having survived that, he will die at a fanboy's hands?

Death of the Mentor is what makes the characters grow in every movie, and the Mentor, unless something changed in Star Wars, is supposed to be Luke. If a very significant moment is made of Solo's death, then that would hollow Luke's eventual death next movie The worst thing you can make to a guy like Han Solo is to make him die of old age. Killing him is fan service, in a way. Again everyone is so convinced Han will die just because Harrison wanted him dead 35 years ago. What I fear the most is that JJ is a fanboy and might kill him just because "he needs to have a cool death".

Humby said:

All I've seen of Adam Driver is from Girls and his brief (and hilarious) appearance in Inside Llewyn Davis.  

He seems like an amazing actor.  He completely steals the show in Girls.  The episodes that heavily feature him are what keep me watching.

I have a feeling he will fit into the GFFA just as well as any of the original actors.  He has a unique look as well, almost right out of the 70's, depending on how they manage his facial hair and costuming.

I have no doubts about his casting, regardless of the role he plays.

 I did catch a bit of Driver on Girls, enough to tell that he seems competent, and his performance in Llewyn Davis showed me that he has enough range to go beyond character roles.  Oscar Issac on the other hand, is amazing.  I think he could play almost anyone.

Mithrandir said:

I don't know what would be stranger, if the information being true, or Abrahams loosing his time sending phony information. At the end of the day it's just a movie, like Mark Hammill, the most centered guy ever on this saga, said.

I'm not sure if it's so much loosing time but rather protecting the actual plot details and other sensitive information from being leaked.

SilverWook said:

There is a grand tradition of deception and misdirection in the production of a Star Wars film. Dave Prowse was given phony dialog to say on ESB, and there were fake script pages on Return of the Jedi.

It's not a stretch to imagine J.J. doing this one better, and shoot fake scenes.

 Your saying the teaser trailer is fake? or some of it is fake?

More fuel for the fire:

The details on this, I stand by. Generally speaking, I’m pretty up front with what I don’t know or if I don’t know if something is concrete. What I’m discussing today is from my most trusted source and friend. The vast majority of the accurate reporting we’ve done on Star Wars: The Force Awakens has been thanks to this friend.

You really might not want to read these spoilers if you’re on the fence. This isn’t rocky. This is verified as having been shot at Pinewood. These are scenes and the documented players in them. This information is very accurate and very broad. It isn’t from the script. This is the first spoiler I’ve had where I’ve known it was so apparently accurate I was floored by it. If you’re cool with it and know you’re going to watch this movie 100 times a year and the first time doesn’t matter, but the longevity of the piece, like myself, sit down because you’re going to have a heart breaking day.

I’ve never jumped on this rumor because it seemed too easy. It also seemed all too likely. This is sort of a given but uttered as an assumption. We’ve seen people guess this without any inside information at all and it has made it nearly impossible for me to ever take any of it too seriously on the rumor-front.

Today that has all changed. For me, I am now in the camp about this being true. A source that has been proven not once or twice, but hundreds of times has documents proving this prevalent rumor. If there’s anything more to it, I can’t say. I’m only sticking to the documented facts on this.

 

The facts are this was shot at Pinewood:

• This sequence takes place on the ramparts of The Evil Castle.
• Han Solo is hiding.
• He decides to reveal himself to Kylo Renn.
• Finn, Rey, Chewbacca and BB-8 stop in their tracks.
• They watch as Han Solo confronts Kylo Ren. Kylo Rnn silences the conversation forever.
• Chewbacca lets out of a barrage of angry roars and laser blasts.
• Kylo Ren flees the scene.
• Explosions.
• Stormtroopers file in and Finn and Rey are forced to flee.
• More explosions.
• BB-8 and Chewbacca flee to the Falcon.

Han Solo is never in a scene after this. Those are the facts.

Not sure how to take these rumours about Han... other than with the usual large packet of salt! According to this older item of news he stipulated a character arc for Han beyond Episode VII... as well as one last Indy film. Either all that's changed or this recent rumour is just all BS:

"Ford wanted to see the synopsis for his character's development over more than just Episode 7. He saw this in August and is happy with the story arc."

...or Ford had a change of heart once JJ abandoned the original story treatment...

http://www.jedinews.co.uk/news/news.aspx?newsID=14102

Nocturnaloner said:

More fuel for the fire:

The details on this, I stand by. Generally speaking, I’m pretty up front with what I don’t know or if I don’t know if something is concrete. What I’m discussing today is from my most trusted source and friend. The vast majority of the accurate reporting we’ve done on Star Wars: The Force Awakens has been thanks to this friend.

You really might not want to read these spoilers if you’re on the fence. This isn’t rocky. This is verified as having been shot at Pinewood. These are scenes and the documented players in them. This information is very accurate and very broad. It isn’t from the script. This is the first spoiler I’ve had where I’ve known it was so apparently accurate I was floored by it. If you’re cool with it and know you’re going to watch this movie 100 times a year and the first time doesn’t matter, but the longevity of the piece, like myself, sit down because you’re going to have a heart breaking day.

I’ve never jumped on this rumor because it seemed too easy. It also seemed all too likely. This is sort of a given but uttered as an assumption. We’ve seen people guess this without any inside information at all and it has made it nearly impossible for me to ever take any of it too seriously on the rumor-front.

Today that has all changed. For me, I am now in the camp about this being true. A source that has been proven not once or twice, but hundreds of times has documents proving this prevalent rumor. If there’s anything more to it, I can’t say. I’m only sticking to the documented facts on this.

 

The facts are this was shot at Pinewood:

• This sequence takes place on the ramparts of The Evil Castle.
• Han Solo is hiding.
• He decides to reveal himself to Kylo Renn.
• Finn, Rey, Chewbacca and BB-8 stop in their tracks.
• They watch as Han Solo confronts Kylo Ren. Kylo Rnn silences the conversation forever.
• Chewbacca lets out of a barrage of angry roars and laser blasts.
• Kylo Ren flees the scene.
• Explosions.
• Stormtroopers file in and Finn and Rey are forced to flee.
• More explosions.
• BB-8 and Chewbacca flee to the Falcon.

Han Solo is never in a scene after this. Those are the facts.

More words from another "trusted source."  Where are the documented facts that is this true?  Who verified these scenes were shot?  Unless if this guy has seen the footage, I don't believe it.

unamochilla2 said:

More words from another "trusted source."  Where are the documented facts that is this true?  Who verified these scenes were shot?  Unless if this guy has seen the footage, I don't believe it.

 The implication here is that this source has access to the callsheets, since that would tell you exactly what is being shot at a given location.  That's why he's emphasizing "the facts".  For us though, no more proof than anything else.  Interesting to talk about though.  We've got 302 days to kill.