skyjedi2005 said:
I saw the Fast Seven trailer during the Superbowl and was reminded that the next star trek could be as stupid.
No.
Bayformers level stupid.
No.
So bad that people will think JJ Abrams Trek movies were good.
They were good.
Into Darkness would have been good WITHOUT an Albert King appearance, but with? Just topped it all off.
Albert King? I don't get it.
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
skyjedi2005 said:
I saw the Fast Seven trailer during the Superbowl and was reminded that the next star trek could be as stupid.
Bayformers level stupid. So bad that people will think JJ Abrams Trek movies were good.
There has been remarkably no news since the new director was hired. Unlike Star Wars and Bond.
I'm glad this is off topic so there's nothing wrong with me calling you an idiot.
Sometimes I get the urge to watch Abramstrek just so that I can be free to bitch about it without the fans constantly saying "You haven't watched it, so you can't criticize it".
Of course, no one's paid me at least $100* to do so, so I never will.
*On the off-chance I actually liked it, I would, of course, offer a full refund.
You could always sample it the next time it airs on FX. ;)
Where were you in '77?
Can't say I get that channel. =P
skyjedi2005 said:
I saw the Fast Seven trailer during the Superbowl and was reminded that the next star trek could be as stupid.
Bayformers level stupid. So bad that people will think JJ Abrams Trek movies were good.
There has been remarkably no news since the new director was hired. Unlike Star Wars and Bond.
Yeah that is my big fear.
The fact that so many people seem to think the Abrams movie are some of the best films ever made leads me to believe it is only going to get worse and I should just stop caring about Star Trek.
Most people seem happy with the idea of another ITD or FaF In space as the future of the franchise so I guess I am just a grumpy old fart who is out of touch.
It's clear that the old ideas will not work in the modern world and it's time for the older fans like us to step aside so the way is clear for a Trek series that appeals to younger modern viewers.
After all we have three years of TOS, seven of TNG, another seven of DS9, and about half a dozen or more movies to watch on home video, we shouldn't damage the franchise by watching the new movies and complaining they are not like the old. Instead we should just let it continue and keep our mouths shut. Watch what we like and let the new people who seem to understand what it takes to make a hit movie in the modern world do their own thing. No one is forcing us to watch these films so it's not worth worrying about if you ask me.
Given how well they have done I think it is clear that if we don't like them it's our own fault for being out of touch and being too blinded by our love of the old stuff to see how much better these new films really are.
It's time to stop bitching about new Trek and just step aside and let Star Trek change and keep pace with the modern world.
Ah, fuck the modern world.
One thing I think Paramount could do to help these movies is stop competing with themselves. Right now these two movies have to compete with over forty years of other Trek and I think that is hurting them, what Paramount needs to do is send the message that these are not just another group of Star Trek films, these films are the only Star Trek. They can do this by first vaulting the old Tv shows and films and not selling them on home video any more, Stop giving the old cast cameos in the new films, and remove the older shows from syndication and instead replace them with a new show that is set in the new time line that either shows side stories to the new films or takes place in that four year time cut we got in the first film and shows the cast at the academy.
I think if Paramount would let the new films stand on their own and make so if people want Star Trek they have to get with the times and watch current Star Trek it would help these films make a lot more money at the box office.
After a while people would forget about all the old shows and movies and they would be replaced by these films and they would be seen as Star Trek in everyone's mind. Paramount just has to support these films and only these films until the older fans go away and it stops being cool to bash these new films.
DrCrowTStarwars said:
....I think if Paramount would let the new films stand on their own and make so if people want Star Trek they have to get with the times and watch current Star Trek it would help these films make a lot more money at the box office...
I'm confused. I thought the JJ films made plenty of cash and are generally considered good.
I don't like 'em as Trek films, but I'm under the impression that most do.
Well a lot of people do seem to like them there does seem to be a bit of a backlash and the fact is for a blockbuster to break even for the studio it has to make back at least twice it's budget. The last film made a lot of money but because it cost so much the studio saw very little of it. It's the same thing that happened to Man of Steel, if you just look at the box office it was a huge hit but when you compare what the studio spent on it verse what they got back it was not a good return on the investment. Paramount clearly wants these movies to do better that is why they ditched the old writers, still I think the big part of the problem is that Star Trek is competing with it's self so i think if they removed old Trek from home video and TV that would help a lot and make anew Trek film coming out more of an event that everyone would have to be there for.
So Hitler had the right idea all along.
DrCrowTStarwars said:
still I think the big part of the problem is that Star Trek is competing with it's self so i think if they removed old Trek from home video and TV that would help a lot and make anew Trek film coming out more of an event that everyone would have to be there for.
You say some really absurd things sometimes, but I guess we all do.
Speaking of absurd ...
DrCrowTStarwars said:
Paramount clearly wants these movies to do better that is why they ditched the old writers, still I think the big part of the problem is that Star Trek is competing with it's self so i think if they removed old Trek from home video and TV that would help a lot and make anew Trek film coming out more of an event that everyone would have to be there for.
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DuracellEnergizer said:
So Hitler had the right idea all along.
Goddamn you get on my nerves sometimes.
Can we please limit our Nazi discussions to the following? ;)
Where were you in '77?
TV's Frink said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
So Hitler had the right idea all along.
Goddamn you get on my nerves sometimes.
You'll forgive me if I consider the idea of destroying pre-Abrams Trek not unlike Nazis burning books they wanted erased from the collective consciousness.
I will do no such thing.
Your generosity truly exceeds the infinite.
Danfun128 said:
Albert King? I don't get it.
He's one of the first (and best) electric blues guitar players, and a recording of him is heard playing during the scene where Kirk is at the bar drinking in Into Darkness.
DuracellEnergizer said:
So Hitler had the right idea all along.
Oh for crying out loud, really?
Did this really call for Godwinning the thread???
Look what I was saying is that when there is so much Star Trek out there then of course it is going to be hard for a movie to make more then $400 million at the box office, so if you limit the amount of Trek out there then it will make it more of an event when a new movie comes out. At no time did I say they should burn the old film prints. What I was talking about is something that is already done by Disney, they limit the number of home video releases of their classic movies and if they want to rerelease a film in theaters they don't release it on home video until after it has finished it's run in theaters. That is all I was talking about doing. The old stuff has been on home video for so long so maybe if they vaulted it for a few years so it didn't seem like every time you turned around you were seeing Star Trek it would make the release of the new movies more of a special event and they would do better at the box office.
DrCrowTStarwars said:
Oh for crying out loud, really?
Did this really call for Godwinning the thread???
Ludicrous* statements call for ludicrous replies.
*I'd have said "ridiculous", but Frink's cornered that market.
I fail to see why I should be compared to a nazi.
As I said my idea is exactly what Disney does to make their animated film releases special events. Heck Lucas did the same thing with the VHS releases of Star Wars back in the day, Star Wars was not always out on VHS tapes. Even now it is hard to find DvD copies of the movies. I don't really see the problem, it was just an idea I had to make the release of Star Trek films more of an event.