[quote=stretch009]
'Echoes' from Meddle is great but other than that I think the album preceding Dark Side 'Obscured by Clouds' is better and displays even more of what you would eventually hear on Dark Side.
Exile On Main Street and The White Album, with Led Zeppelin being my favorite classic rock group.
imperialscum said:
ray_afraid said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
Trooperman said:
I think classic rock is any album that came out in the 60s or 70s.
I wonder why '50s rock isn't considered classic rock.
Because "rock" and "Rock n' Roll" aren't the same thing.
And what is the difference? Please explain technically, as I won't take an explanation along the lines of "Chuck Berry is rock n' roll, Rolling Stones are rock".
Well, it may be semantics to you. Look into it for yourself if you're really interested. There's all kinds of rock music, but it's not all rock n' roll.
Here's some wiki links-
Rock n' Roll
Rock Music
I'd say it's mostly down to the beat. Rock n Roll is dance music, where as you can't dance to all rock music.
"Rock n' Roll" by Led Zeppelin is a good example of a rock band playing a rock n' roll song.
Nanner Split said:
[quote=stretch009]
'Echoes' from Meddle is great but other than that I think the album preceding Dark Side 'Obscured by Clouds' is better and displays even more of what you would eventually hear on Dark Side.
"Meddle" owns and "One of These Days" is one of the best songs they've ever done
I don't disagree with any of that but have you listened to 'Obscured...'?
Would David Bowie's work in the late 70s (Low and "Heroes") count as classic rock, or would it apply only to the Hunky Dory/Ziggy Stardust era?
imperialscum said:
ray_afraid said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
Trooperman said:
I think classic rock is any album that came out in the 60s or 70s.
I wonder why '50s rock isn't considered classic rock.
Because "rock" and "Rock n' Roll" aren't the same thing.
And what is the difference? Please explain technically, as I won't take an explanation along the lines of "Chuck Berry is rock n' roll, Rolling Stones are rock".
Rock and Roll has much more elements of country than Rock.
^You may be thinking of Rockabilly. That's my favorite genre.
Rock 'n' Roll still has plenty of country. Also a lot more presence of blues song structure. Rock still has strong blues influence, but with a more streamlined song structure. But there is still country to be heard in rock 'n' roll. Distinguish-ably more than Rock anyway, enough that Imperialscum, who I suspect is just being facetious in an effort to make himself appear smarter than everybody else as usual, to tell a difference like the rest of the world can.
ray_afraid said:
imperialscum said:
ray_afraid said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
Trooperman said:
I think classic rock is any album that came out in the 60s or 70s.
I wonder why '50s rock isn't considered classic rock.
Because "rock" and "Rock n' Roll" aren't the same thing.
And what is the difference? Please explain technically, as I won't take an explanation along the lines of "Chuck Berry is rock n' roll, Rolling Stones are rock".
Well, it may be semantics to you. Look into it for yourself if you're really interested. There's all kinds of rock music, but it's not all rock n' roll.
Here's a wiki link- Rock Music
I'd say it's mostly down to the beat. Rock n Roll is dance music, where as you can't dance to all rock music.
"Rock n' Roll" by Led Zeppelin is a good example of a rock band playing a rock n' roll song.
I am very disappointed. That is exactly the kind of explanation I find useless. Whether one can dance to some music is completely subjective. And I said I didn't want "this band/song is rock n' roll, and this one is not".
I want an explanation along the lines "Blues is the music that follows the defined 12-bar scheme". If there isn't one along those lines, then you simply cannot objectively categorise it, which translates in my world to; you cannot categorise it at all.
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Possessed said:
Rock and Roll has much more elements of country than Rock.
Another useless subjective explanation.
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This will take me some time to give an answer to. There's best subjective album, as in favorite, and then there's best musically. I had one yesterday in mind but now I can't remember it.
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imperialscum said:
ray_afraid said:
imperialscum said:
ray_afraid said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
Trooperman said:
I think classic rock is any album that came out in the 60s or 70s.
I wonder why '50s rock isn't considered classic rock.
Because "rock" and "Rock n' Roll" aren't the same thing.
And what is the difference? Please explain technically, as I won't take an explanation along the lines of "Chuck Berry is rock n' roll, Rolling Stones are rock".
Well, it may be semantics to you. Look into it for yourself if you're really interested. There's all kinds of rock music, but it's not all rock n' roll.
Here's a wiki link- Rock Music
I'd say it's mostly down to the beat. Rock n Roll is dance music, where as you can't dance to all rock music.
"Rock n' Roll" by Led Zeppelin is a good example of a rock band playing a rock n' roll song.
I am very disappointed. That is exactly the kind of explanation I find useless. Whether one can dance to some music is completely subjective. And I said I didn't want "this band/song is rock n' roll, and this one is not".
I want an explanation along the lines "Blues is the music that follows the defined 12-bar scheme". If there isn't one along those lines, then you simply cannot objectively categorise it, which translates in my world to; you cannot categorise it at all.
Classic Rock is defined by the era as much as the style of music. That's why, dummy. There is no technical explanation, and just because it doesn't satisfy you, that doesn't invalidate it.
imperialscum said:
Possessed said:
Rock and Roll has much more elements of country than Rock.
Another useless subjective explanation.
Another useless attempt to sound smarter than everybody else. You know what country sounds like, and you don't need a definition of it to know what it sounds like. You can not possibly make anybody believe you don't know what country sounds like. Now take the elements of that that you hear in 50's rock and roll. Remove them and add more blues. You can call this subjective all you want, but anybody with half decent hearing will be able to tell a difference, and saying it isn't good enough is nothing more than being conceited. You know what I mean, you know the difference, and trying to pretend like you can't tell a difference without it being explained is pathetic.
Rock 'n' Roll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpTpxbnBWYM
Classic Rock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mln0RciE2o0
If this isn't a good enough explanation for you then you are simply a moron, or at least completely ignorant of music and have no grounds to say ANYTHING about music categorization. Like Frink said, just because the explanation doesn't satisfy you doesn't make it a valid explanation.
stretch009 said:
Nanner Split said:
[quote=stretch009]
'Echoes' from Meddle is great but other than that I think the album preceding Dark Side 'Obscured by Clouds' is better and displays even more of what you would eventually hear on Dark Side.
"Meddle" owns and "One of These Days" is one of the best songs they've ever doneI don't disagree with any of that but have you listened to 'Obscured...'?
Obscured By Clouds is a good set of songs, but it doesn't flow like Meddle or Dark Side of the Moon. Meddle has that audible journey that Pink Floyd albums take you on.
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Oh, I thought I was replying to Duracell.
I wouldn't have even responded if I'd realized it was Imperials cum.
Yeah, I wish I could convince myself he's not worth replying to and saving my time and patience.
imperialscum said:
ray_afraid said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
I wonder why '50s rock isn't considered classic rock.
Because "rock" and "Rock n' Roll" aren't the same thing.
And what is the difference? Please explain technically, as I won't take an explanation along the lines of "Chuck Berry is rock n' roll, Rolling Stones are rock".
Okay time for me sort this one out...
Rock 'n' Roll / Blues / Rockabilly = Music played by black and white men from the 50s with brylcreem quiffs, who are impeccably dressed in smart matching suits, and who probably have an "and" after their name.
Classic Rock / Rock / RAWK = Music played by white men from the 70s stripped to the waist, dripping in sweat, with long flowing hair, eyeliner and high-pitched operatic voices who like fondling/licking their phallic Guitars. Let me be clear, there is nothing homo-erotic about "Classic Rock" at all.
....oh and they sound different too but the easiest for you to judge that, is to listen to them both and then hear the difference.
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Ah, but see the flaw with that explanation is that Jimi Hendrix is black and most definitely Rock and NOT Rock 'n' Roll. I suggest you add an exception for him lol. I think the two comparisons I posted are pretty obvious in their differences.
EyeShotFirst said:
stretch009 said:
Nanner Split said:
[quote=stretch009]
'Echoes' from Meddle is great but other than that I think the album preceding Dark Side 'Obscured by Clouds' is better and displays even more of what you would eventually hear on Dark Side.
"Meddle" owns and "One of These Days" is one of the best songs they've ever doneI don't disagree with any of that but have you listened to 'Obscured...'?
Obscured By Clouds is a good set of songs, but it doesn't flow like Meddle or Dark Side of the Moon. Meddle has that audible journey that Pink Floyd albums take you on.
Good post, I agree with everything in it except there's still that one thing from your first post that 'Obscured' trumps IMO. "Good set of songs" or not it still has more songs leaning toward the 'Dark Side' sound than Meddle does. I'm not taking anything away from Meddle at all, it's awesome IMO.
BTW when you say 'audible journey' are you talking about concept albums which they are probably the kings of:
If I'm gonna listen to a concept song, it's gonna be by Rush.
I still don't believe it's as simple as all that. I think the basic ingredients of the Chuck Berry, Elvis, and Buddy Holly "Rock 'N' Roll" are still very much a part of the AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, and Van Halen "Rock".
The amps were louder, the chords were more simplistic, and the sexual innuendos were more blatant, but it's still basically the same idea. Hearing country in it doesn't matter. I can hear jazz, country, blues, classical, funk, and world in any of the big name "rock" bands.
It's like the difference in Paul Whiteman's Jazz and Miles Davis' Jazz. They are still Jazz, no point in adding a subcategory to it to separate them.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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TV's Frink said:
If I'm gonna listen to a concept song, it's gonna be by Rush.
Amazing, amazing band. But why, oh why did the lead singer have to be Geddy Lee, the worst singer in rock history?
stretch009 said:
TV's Frink said:
If I'm gonna listen to a concept song, it's gonna be by Rush.
Geddy Lee, the worst singer in rock history?
You shut your filthy mouth.