timdiggerm said:
darklordoftech said:
moviefreakedmind said:
darklordoftech said:
If this article is anything to go by:
http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html
What?
If they don't care about Lucas's treatments, no way they're going to care about his special editions.
There's a huge difference between an unused script and a thing the public saw.
The OOT is also a thing that the public saw.
darklordoftech said:
timdiggerm said:
darklordoftech said:
moviefreakedmind said:
darklordoftech said:
If this article is anything to go by:
http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html
What?
If they don't care about Lucas's treatments, no way they're going to care about his special editions.
There's a huge difference between an unused script and a thing the public saw.
The OOT is also a thing that the public saw.
Yep. This news about the script treatment confirms what that Disney is more interested in making proper decisions than appeasing George's personal wishes. Unless there really are technical hurdles making it unrealistic, I don't see why they wouldn't go the route of Blade Runner and Close Encounters and release an 'ultimate' set with all versions.
It's cloudy today, high of 34, with a ten percent chance of snow.
I wonder if Lucas used Anakin's Force Ghost a lot in the treatment. Or too many of the bad PT ideas that Disney just wants to avoid.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
TV's Frink said:
It's cloudy today, high of 34, with a ten percent chance of snow.
Careful now, you might turn originaltrilogy.com into taiganet.com (Home of the Weatherstar 4000 simulator, of which I am not a developer of).
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
towne32 said:
darklordoftech said:
timdiggerm said:
darklordoftech said:
moviefreakedmind said:
darklordoftech said:
If this article is anything to go by:
http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html
What?
If they don't care about Lucas's treatments, no way they're going to care about his special editions.
There's a huge difference between an unused script and a thing the public saw.
The OOT is also a thing that the public saw.
Yep. This news about the script treatment confirms what that Disney is more interested in making proper decisions than appeasing George's personal wishes. Unless there really are technical hurdles making it unrealistic, I don't see why they wouldn't go the route of Blade Runner and Close Encounters and release an 'ultimate' set with all versions.
There are two huge reasons to release the OOT on Blu-ray by the end of the year:
1. Marketing synergy with Episode 7, and
2. The fact that UHD Blu-ray is right around the corner.
To make a comparison, the GOUT hit just a few months after hd dvd and Blu-Ray debuted. That probably didn't affect sales since the format war was yet to be decided and most people were still watching dvd's on their 4:3 crt's anyway.
If the OT has in fact been remastered in 4k, that would be a pretty big reason to hold off on getting the regular 1080p transfer of it. There will be a lot more UHD "4k" tv's in people's homes by this time next year, and that many more people waiting for prices to drop so they can buy one. It would be smart for Disney/Fox to just get the OOT out there this year while 99.9% of the customers are still unaware there's a 4k blu-Ray format on the way.
lovelikewinter said:
I wonder if Lucas used Anakin's Force Ghost a lot in the treatment. Or too many of the bad PT ideas that Disney just wants to avoid.
Overnight lows in the teens, 1-3 inches of snow likely by morning.
Here's your local Doppler radar:
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
Danfun128 said:
Here's your local Doppler radar:
I don't see anything.
Exactly.
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
Handman said:
Danfun128 said:
Here's your local Doppler radar:
I don't see anything.
Just like no one sees a 4k restoration on Star Wars.
TV's Frink said:
Handman said:
Danfun128 said:
Here's your local Doppler radar:
I don't see anything.
Just like no one sees a 4k restoration on Star Wars.
I once make a 4k version of Star Wars...but the image was too small to actually see what was happening.
Star Wars Episode XXX: Erica Strikes Back
If you want Nice, go to France
Good one!
towne32 said:
darklordoftech said:
timdiggerm said:
darklordoftech said:
moviefreakedmind said:
darklordoftech said:
If this article is anything to go by:
http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html
What?
If they don't care about Lucas's treatments, no way they're going to care about his special editions.
There's a huge difference between an unused script and a thing the public saw.
The OOT is also a thing that the public saw.
Yep. This news about the script treatment confirms what that Disney is more interested in making proper decisions than appeasing George's personal wishes. Unless there really are technical hurdles making it unrealistic, I don't see why they wouldn't go the route of Blade Runner and Close Encounters and release an 'ultimate' set with all versions.
Because it would be too good to be true?
Fang Zei said:
towne32 said:
darklordoftech said:
timdiggerm said:
darklordoftech said:
moviefreakedmind said:
darklordoftech said:
If this article is anything to go by:
http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html
What?
If they don't care about Lucas's treatments, no way they're going to care about his special editions.
There's a huge difference between an unused script and a thing the public saw.
The OOT is also a thing that the public saw.
Yep. This news about the script treatment confirms what that Disney is more interested in making proper decisions than appeasing George's personal wishes. Unless there really are technical hurdles making it unrealistic, I don't see why they wouldn't go the route of Blade Runner and Close Encounters and release an 'ultimate' set with all versions.
There are two huge reasons to release the OOT on Blu-ray by the end of the year:
1. Marketing synergy with Episode 7, and
2. The fact that UHD Blu-ray is right around the corner.
To make a comparison, the GOUT hit just a few months after hd dvd and Blu-Ray debuted. That probably didn't affect sales since the format war was yet to be decided and most people were still watching dvd's on their 4:3 crt's anyway.
If the OT has in fact been remastered in 4k, that would be a pretty big reason to hold off on getting the regular 1080p transfer of it. There will be a lot more UHD "4k" tv's in people's homes by this time next year, and that many more people waiting for prices to drop so they can buy one. It would be smart for Disney/Fox to just get the OOT out there this year while 99.9% of the customers are still unaware there's a 4k blu-Ray format on the way.
UHD Blu-ray is going to have a market penetration of like 2% though, it's not going to appeal to more than hardcore collectors. All of this is still rumor mill though. I'm not getting any younger.
TV's Frink said:
Handman said:
Danfun128 said:
Here's your local Doppler radar:
I don't see anything.
Just like no one sees a 4k restoration on Star Wars.
Or sees an news about it.
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
I don't care about 4K really as a format.
If it was scanned in 4k and then put on a standard blu ray i would not mind.
It would be nice to not have to watch the official blu ray or see a bad postage size stamp version of the oot from 1993 letterboxed.
The blu ray set made tons of money and the boycott did not work. The possibility of the real original versions ever being released is doubtful.
Or 54 pages of no news and the same thing being said.
Why do i even bother.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
skyjedi2005 said:
Why do i even bother.
That's a good statement.
skyjedi2005 said:
I don't care about 4K really as a format.
If it was scanned in 4k and then put on a standard blu ray i would not mind.
It would be nice to not have to watch the official blu ray or see a bad postage size stamp version of the oot from 1993 letterboxed.
The blu ray set made tons of money and the boycott did not work. The possibility of the real original versions ever being released is doubtful.
Or 54 pages of no news and the same thing being said.
Why do i even bother.
I think we won't know if it's doubtful until after VII releases and they've still shown no interest. The biggest hurdle, the will of an irrational old man, has been overcome. We will see if the other, potentially lesser hurdles such as profit margins and the status of the film elements can be overcome.
But if they are, they'll probably release it at what they consider to be strategic timing in relation to the new film(s) and their marketing.
Alternatively, they may be waiting until we get to page 62 of this thread.
The decision won't, and has never, had anything to do with a boycott. Especially one that didn't happen.
Hey, I boycott the release.
From time to time.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
NeverarGreat said:
Hey, I boycott the release.
From time to time.
Oh dear oh dear...
Nobody sang The Bunny Song in years…
skyjedi2005 said:
The blu ray set made tons of money and the boycott did not work.
... which somehow means they're done making money off of these movies? I don't follow the logic here.
skyjedi2005 said:
The blu ray set made tons of money and the boycott did not work. The possibility of the real original versions ever being released is doubtful.
There is a market for everything. If there is enough of a demand for the Producers Cut of Halloween 6 that they release that on a blu ray then there is definitely a market for the OT.
The Person in Question
towne32 said:
darklordoftech said:
timdiggerm said:
darklordoftech said:
moviefreakedmind said:
darklordoftech said:
If this article is anything to go by:
http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html
What?
If they don't care about Lucas's treatments, no way they're going to care about his special editions.
There's a huge difference between an unused script and a thing the public saw.
The OOT is also a thing that the public saw.
Yep. This news about the script treatment confirms what that Disney is more interested in making proper decisions than appeasing George's personal wishes. Unless there really are technical hurdles making it unrealistic, I don't see why they wouldn't go the route of Blade Runner and Close Encounters and release an 'ultimate' set with all versions.
The difference between Star Wars and Blade Runner is that there are three movies with the former. The Blade Runner set was originally pretty expensive, especially when you consider some of the special editions that were also released.
Now try that with three movies that have 3-5 versions of each. The seemless branching would be extremely complicated and result in horrible compression on Blu-ray or 4K. It would be a compression artifacts nightmare, because instead of there just being additional scenes or alternate footage, the entire movies are different from the way each were were color timed and mastered. So you would literally need 3-5 streams of the same 2 hour movie on each of the discs. Plus all of the audio tracks everyone wants?
Blade Runner had 5 cuts on three discs, and they were able to narrow it down because three of the cuts were derived from the same masters, making the branching on those versions much easier because instead of having simultaneous streams of the same movie, they just had the video portions that were necessary for each cut. Star Wars is different because every one of the new cuts of the movie are totally different masters with different colors, as I mentioned before.
So you would have, at most, two cuts of the same movie per disc, and even that would be pushing it for the compression of an action-packed two-hour flick. That means each cut of the movie would be on it's own disc, more than likely. That would result in like a 15-disc set for three movies.
Not happening. Ever.
The most you're gonna get is the OUT and whatever the new edition is, whether it's a recomp of the 2011 edition or a new 2015 edition.
Neomic said:
The difference between Star Wars and Blade Runner is that there are three movies with the former. The Blade Runner set was originally pretty expensive, especially when you consider some of the special editions that were also released.
Now try that with three movies that have 3-5 versions of each. The seemless branching would be extremely complicated and result in horrible compression on Blu-ray or 4K. It would be a compression artifacts nightmare, because instead of there just being additional scenes or alternate footage, the entire movies are different from the way each were were color timed and mastered. So you would literally need 3-5 streams of the same 2 hour movie on each of the discs. Plus all of the audio tracks everyone wants?
Blade Runner had 5 cuts on three discs, and they were able to narrow it down because three of the cuts were derived from the same masters, making the branching on those versions much easier because instead of having simultaneous streams of the same movie, they just had the video portions that were necessary for each cut. Star Wars is different because every one of the new cuts of the movie are totally different masters with different colors, as I mentioned before.
So you would have, at most, two cuts of the same movie per disc, and even that would be pushing it for the compression of an action-packed two-hour flick. That means each cut of the movie would be on it's own disc, more than likely. That would result in like a 15-disc set for three movies.
Not happening. Ever.
The most you're gonna get is the OUT and whatever the new edition is, whether it's a recomp of the 2011 edition or a new 2015 edition.
I think there's a lot of hyperbole regarding how many discs that are required, a 15-disc set?
A Blade Runner-esque set could easily look like this:
Star Wars
Disc 1) Original Cut / '81 rerelease
Disc 2) '97 Special Edition
The Empire Strikes Back
Disc 1) 35mm Cut / 70mm Cut
Disc 2) '97 Special Edition
Return of the Jedi
Disc 1) Original Cut
Disc 2) '97 Special Edition
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
Neomic said:
towne32 said:
darklordoftech said:
timdiggerm said:
darklordoftech said:
moviefreakedmind said:
darklordoftech said:
If this article is anything to go by:
http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html
What?
If they don't care about Lucas's treatments, no way they're going to care about his special editions.
There's a huge difference between an unused script and a thing the public saw.
The OOT is also a thing that the public saw.
Yep. This news about the script treatment confirms what that Disney is more interested in making proper decisions than appeasing George's personal wishes. Unless there really are technical hurdles making it unrealistic, I don't see why they wouldn't go the route of Blade Runner and Close Encounters and release an 'ultimate' set with all versions.
The difference between Star Wars and Blade Runner is that there are three movies with the former. The Blade Runner set was originally pretty expensive, especially when you consider some of the special editions that were also released.
Now try that with three movies that have 3-5 versions of each. The seemless branching would be extremely complicated and result in horrible compression on Blu-ray or 4K. It would be a compression artifacts nightmare, because instead of there just being additional scenes or alternate footage, the entire movies are different from the way each were were color timed and mastered. So you would literally need 3-5 streams of the same 2 hour movie on each of the discs. Plus all of the audio tracks everyone wants?
Blade Runner had 5 cuts on three discs, and they were able to narrow it down because three of the cuts were derived from the same masters, making the branching on those versions much easier because instead of having simultaneous streams of the same movie, they just had the video portions that were necessary for each cut. Star Wars is different because every one of the new cuts of the movie are totally different masters with different colors, as I mentioned before.
So you would have, at most, two cuts of the same movie per disc, and even that would be pushing it for the compression of an action-packed two-hour flick. That means each cut of the movie would be on it's own disc, more than likely. That would result in like a 15-disc set for three movies.
Not happening. Ever.
The most you're gonna get is the OUT and whatever the new edition is, whether it's a recomp of the 2011 edition or a new 2015 edition.
I didn't want to get into proposing how it might be done in that post, as it seems to fall firmly into fantasy, given that the set might not ever exist. And I do agree that they would be unlikely to bother with '97 and '04.
But what I would imagine would be two discs for each OT movie. An UOT disc, where hopefully every effort would be made to have the color timing et al. appropriate for that release.
The second disc would be the SE. I don't know what color timing they would choose for that. But it's a decision they're likely making anyway if they're doing a 4K remaster. Seamless branching would allow for the (relatively) few changes between 2004 and 2011 (or 2015, god forbid), as 04 and 11 are from the same transfer, as far as I know. 1997 would of course be trickier. And out of the question if they wanted to represent its color timing accurately.
With all that said, what they do with the SE is pretty damn unimportant. :)