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darklordoftech said:

Remove that stupid "Darth Plagueis" character. 

 This hurts me....why?...

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Carthage said:

darklordoftech said:

Remove that stupid "Darth Plagueis" character. 

 This hurts me....why?...

There's some really annoyjng theories surrounding him and episodes 7-9. The last thing we need is someone who uses midichlorians of all things to survive.

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Carthage said:

The films do the novel no justice.

I read the novel. Plagueis not staying dead would do the novel no justice.

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Plagueis should be removed for the sole reason that his name is atrociously bad.

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His name makes me want to brush and floss daily.

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A different story.

A better script writer.

A better director.

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- introduce Anakin as mid-teens, maybe a year or 2 older than Padme

- kill off Schmi in the first film or not have her at all

- Clone Wars begin at end of episode 1

- no Jango Fett and little Boba

- get an actor to play Darth Maul and not just a one dimensional martial arts expert

- Anakin turns to darkside at the end of episode 2 , and Jedi purge takes up episode 3 climaxing with Anakin falling into the volcano 

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Whoever wrote the prequels should have taken a weekend to watch the original Star Wars trilogy, so they understood the setting, tone, characters, and the established history of the universe. I think that would have improved the prequel trilogy immensely. At best, the prequels merely cannibalize elements from the original trilogy, but present them out of place and out of order, and diminish their impact.

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Be SERIOUS, for a start!

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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If only the PT would focus on being an adventure rather than a soap opera...

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I seriously wish they'd have cast Liam Neeson as Anakin. Retaining the look of Qui Gon, Neeson definitely had the build/size of Vader and three films with adventures of a more mature Skywalker who would have been difficult to train would've been great.

The one thing I really hoped for in the prequels, which we didn't get, was a great double-act relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan. Two older actors could've given us that. Something along the lines of Harrison Ford and Sean Connery in Last Crusade.

Obi- Wan could've been the same age - after all they were more friends then anything.

Neeson's age would've tied in to Sebastian Shaw's in ROTJ as well.

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I enjoy watching the prequels as eye-candy, but they aren't really movies.  They're more like sappy video games.  Perhaps they could have been made into movies with:

  • different story
  • different script
  • different director
  • different cast
  • different effects


I almost added "more CPY", but that goes without saying.  The music I might actually keep.

Seriously, the one thing about the PT that made me really sad, was the Yoda lightsaber fight.  That pretty much destroyed his character.  After ESB, I pictured Yoda fighting with the force as his ally, with great efficiency and grace.  A slight move or gesture here and there, bending the force to tie the opponent in knots.  What a missed opportunity.  Instead they stick his tail in a light socket and have him leaping around like a maniac, totally out of character and with virtually no hint of the force.  It was painful to watch.

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

I enjoy watching the prequels as eye-candy, but they aren't really movies.  They're more like sappy video games.  Perhaps they could have been made into movies with:

  • different story
  • different script
  • different director
  • different cast
  • different effects


I almost added "more CPY", but that goes without saying.  The music I might actually keep.

Seriously, the one thing about the PT that made me really sad, was the Yoda lightsaber fight.  That pretty much destroyed his character.  After ESB, I pictured Yoda fighting with the force as his ally, with great efficiency and grace.  A slight move or gesture here and there, bending the force to tie the opponent in knots.  What a missed opportunity.  Instead they stick his tail in a light socket and have him leaping around like a maniac, totally out of character and with virtually no hint of the force.  It was painful to watch.

Or better yet, George should have stuck to his original idea wherein Yoda was a spiritual guru and would never use the Force for combat.

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FrankT said:

Be SERIOUS, for a start!

 I actually think the more serious got, the worse it got.  When the PT tried to fun like the OT, it wasn't that bad as you could sort of watch them with a grain of salt.

The problem is whenever they tried to get real dramatic, the moments were either laughable or just plain cringeworthy.  Think of the Anakin/Padme love scenes in AOTC, Anakin's turn to the darkside in ROTS, or Order 66.  These scenes just didn't work on an emotional level, so they ended up hurting the movie.

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Williarob said:

Also, Real sets! Real Props! Less CGI! I have yet to see a CGI Jabba that is as half as convincing as the massive foam-rubber puppet built 30 years ago. A real set, with something physical to work with not only gets a much better performance from the actors but also generates an atmosphere - something a computer just can't recreate convincingly - or at least it couldn't when the prequels were shot. Perhaps it can now.

 Agree with everything you said, but there were plenty of real sets in the PT: 

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are a few examples.  Plus, the OT had its fair share of blue/green screen: 

Honestly I think the special effects were the least of the PT's problems. 

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mfastx said:

Williarob said:

Also, Real sets! Real Props! Less CGI! I have yet to see a CGI Jabba that is as half as convincing as the massive foam-rubber puppet built 30 years ago. A real set, with something physical to work with not only gets a much better performance from the actors but also generates an atmosphere - something a computer just can't recreate convincingly - or at least it couldn't when the prequels were shot. Perhaps it can now.

 Agree with everything you said, but there were plenty of real sets in the PT: 

and

are a few examples.  Plus, the OT had its fair share of blue/green screen: 

Honestly I think the special effects were the least of the PT's problems. 

 Aren't all of those "real sets" above miniatures? The actors were not walking through them in the way they did the Death Star sets or the cantina or Jabba's palace. The actors walked around in front of Green screens. But, I concede the point that not all the sets were computer generated :)

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I just thought of another thing that might have improved the Prequels: Marcia Lucas' Editing. If you look at how the Original 1977 Star Wars is structured - A big opening battle to grab your attention and let you know this is going to be very cool, followed by some much slower pacing while the droids wander around in the desert and Luke complains about his chores. A lot of this works because of how it was put together in the editing room.

We also know (from Rinzler's making of Star Wars?) that it was Marcia's idea to add dialog to the Greedo scene when the Jabba scene proved to be unfeasable, which is why re-including the Jabba scene in the SEs is so pointless - Han Solo has to explain that "Even I get boarded sometimes" twice in as many minutes.

I expect she also helped to make the original trilogy better by pointing out things that just didn't work, whereas if you watch any of the docs on the SEs and prequels you get Rick McCallum telling us how great everything is, and what a genius George Lucas is, which is probably what he told George when he asked, "are you sure we're not going to far with Jar Jar?" I bet Marcia would have had something more constructive to say.

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Williarob said:

Aren't all of those "real sets" above miniatures? The actors were not walking through them in the way they did the Death Star sets or the cantina or Jabba's palace. The actors walked around in front of Green screens. But, I concede the point that not all the sets were computer generated :)

 Oops, meant to say those are real props/miniatures.  So basically everything was from a real miniature but then CGI'd onto the greenscreen afterwords. 

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Better editing, a better cinematographer. 

Different directors for each movie.

If Lucas had to write and direct the first prequel he should have collaborated like he did on Star Wars '77 with other writers.

He needed someone to argue over the scripts and the plot and general direction.

Should not have set up the crew like he was making a video game for lucasarts, i swear the making of looks like a computer game production  not a film production because of how much is put into the cgi component.

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A more tortured protagonist, Anakin being a bit whiny is fine but he needed some actual damage and turmoil in his life for his turn to the dark to be a bit more convincing when he eventually turned.

Maybe either ad-lib some of the dialogue or re-write it to feel more natural, the conversations between characters (especially between Anakin and Padme) never seems like something actual people would say.

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Would they need a complete overhaul of the main plot and characters (if so, any thoughts?) or just relatively cosmetic things like better actors, directing and writing out Jar Jar as well as all the unnecessary tie ins with the original. I really don't need a huge rehash of all the critique, just interested in how much different you'd want them to be if you could white wash and re-do a Star Wars prequel before they could be deemed acceptable. (apologies if this is a tired subject)

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To really tell you how I think the PT should have gone, I'd have to post links to my Episode I re-write, my unfinished Episode II re-write, and all the various notes I've written for my Episode III re-write.

I'm assuming you're not interested in reading full-length screenplays, though, so I won't bother.