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Fang Zei said:

To get this thread slightly back on topic, I'd like to point out that the final 2k digital production files for both AOTC and ROTS are more than likely still sitting on a server at Lucasfilm with multiple backup copies. It was mentioned on the official website back in 2011 that the blu-ray's were in fact newly transferred from the digital source rather than simply dumped from the existing hd transfers. The 35mm prints are by no means the best available sources for those movies.

Whatever they do, the DNR on TPM and the colors on AOTC could certainly use improvement. 

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Handman said:

moviefreakedmind said:

along with the PT in 4:3 letterbox DVD's,

 Alright, that would actually be worse than the GOUT. Sure, you may not like the PT, neither do I, but saying stuff like that makes us no better than the weirdos at TFN.

Unless that was a joke. If so, haha.

 It was a joke

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darklordoftech said:

Fang Zei said:

To get this thread slightly back on topic, I'd like to point out that the final 2k digital production files for both AOTC and ROTS are more than likely still sitting on a server at Lucasfilm with multiple backup copies. It was mentioned on the official website back in 2011 that the blu-ray's were in fact newly transferred from the digital source rather than simply dumped from the existing hd transfers. The 35mm prints are by no means the best available sources for those movies.

Whatever they do, the DNR on TPM and the colors on AOTC could certainly use improvement. 

It's always baffled me as to why RotS looks exactly as it should while AotC looks vastly different.

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The worst part about the Fox "issue" is that it prevents discussion about the OOT from occuring on any site besides this one.

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This is my first post here at OT, having lurked for a couple of years. I know everyone has different opinions on all of the different versions, but for me ... I just hope Disney will restore something that resembles the '95 VHS collection, at a minimum. Anything above and beyond that would be gravy, and I'm sure they can improve the colors and audio compared to the VHS era, but it was the really unnecessary additions to the SE collection that began to ruin Star Wars for me. The awful CGI Jabba scene in Episode IV that makes me embarrassed to show the movie to a first time viewer; the edit to the Vader / Emperor scene in The Empire Strikes Back (less offensive, but still bothers me); and of course the entire abortion that is the changed ending of Jedi.

Sure, I think there are some minor improvements in the '97 version of The Empire Strikes Back, along with some minor changes that were for the worse ... but more or less it was from that point on that Star Wars went to hell.  I'm not as technically knowledgeable as a lot of posters here, and can't comment on film resolution and audio mixes and the like, but I am very knowledgeable when it comes to dramatic narrative and storytelling, and a lot of the changes in later versions (the infamous NOOOOO) are so bad as to be beyond belief. A lot of people notice the unwieldy CGI in edits to the OT and Prequels ... and I do too ... but I also notice things like very poor pacing in the newer versions of these films. And I wonder why the narrative in Episode I didn't focus more on Anakin ... why was the primary POV Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan? It made for a much weaker story.

Sorry for the rant, but if Disney releases something pre-97 in the finest quality they can reproduce, I will not only buy it but also go to the theater and watch Episode 7 with my family. Without that happening, I will not watch another episode in this series.

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darklordoftech said:

The worst part about the Fox "issue" is that it prevents discussion about the OOT from occuring on any site besides this one.

I agree; it's shocking that we are literally the only website on the entire internet that even cares about the OOT. 

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The continued frenzy to gain invites to my pancreas would suggest that there is a whole lotta love for the OT.

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Considering that The Force Awakens was filmed on 35mm, will they use 35mm sources instead of digital scans for future releases, both OOT and SE?

Fang Zei said: It's always baffled me as to why RotS looks exactly as it should while AotC looks vastly different.

Me too. The re-editing of the Dooku vs. Yoda scene also baffles me.

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darklordoftech said:

Considering that The Force Awakens was filmed on 35mm, will they use 35mm sources instead of digital scans for future releases, both OOT and SE?

 But... wouldn't they have to make a digital scan of that to release it?

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Handman said:

darklordoftech said:

Considering that The Force Awakens was filmed on 35mm, will they use 35mm sources instead of digital scans for future releases, both OOT and SE?

 But... wouldn't they have to make a digital scan of that to release it?

The TPM DVD didn't use a digital scan.

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darklordoftech said:

Handman said:

darklordoftech said:

Considering that The Force Awakens was filmed on 35mm, will they use 35mm sources instead of digital scans for future releases, both OOT and SE?

 But... wouldn't they have to make a digital scan of that to release it?

The TPM DVD didn't use a digital scan.

I think you're a little confused...

Just about all movies made today are finished as digital intermediates (regardless of how they were shot), just as all modern restorations of old movies are done digitally.

Christopher Nolan and Paul Thomas Anderson are the now ultra-rare holdouts who insist on finishing their films photochemically. Even Tarantino now uses the DI process to my knowledge, making his comment about digital projectors being like "watching tv in a movie theater" a little disingenuous.

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Fang Zei said:

darklordoftech said:

Handman said:

darklordoftech said:

Considering that The Force Awakens was filmed on 35mm, will they use 35mm sources instead of digital scans for future releases, both OOT and SE?

 But... wouldn't they have to make a digital scan of that to release it?

The TPM DVD didn't use a digital scan.

I think you're a little confused...

Since I didn't speculate either way, "Curious" would probably be more accurate than "confused".

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darklordoftech said:

Fang Zei said:

darklordoftech said:

Handman said:

darklordoftech said:

Considering that The Force Awakens was filmed on 35mm, will they use 35mm sources instead of digital scans for future releases, both OOT and SE?

 But... wouldn't they have to make a digital scan of that to release it?

The TPM DVD didn't use a digital scan.

I think you're a little confused...

Since I didn't speculate either way, "Curious" would probably be more accurate than "confused".

 My mistake, but just to clarify, AotC and RotS were finished as DI's from the get-go. This might actually explain why AotC's color-timing looks weird on blu-ray now. 2002 was still the very early days of this technology and whatever they were using back then might not have translated well to the standards of 2011. I have a similar theory about Fellowship of the Ring's extended blu-ray.

TPM was technically finished on film back in '99, but ILM still had almost all of the digital filmout tapes of the vfx shots in readable condition in 2011 so they used those to reconstruct the movie for the blu-ray and the 3D conversion. This got the movie as close to its "true" original negative as possible.

Almost all new movies are finished as DI's now, regardless of how they were shot. TFA will likely be finished at 2k with the exception of the Imax shots which will be finished at a higher resolution.

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It just occurred to me, when Lucas last restored the original negatives, it had been 12 years since Jedi and 18 years since Star Wars, and they were said to be in very bad shape.

It has now been almost 20 years since the last OOT restoration (which was later converted into the '97 SE).

What are the chances that the negatives and fx are in even worse shape than they were in '95?

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Alderaan said:

It just occurred to me, when Lucas last restored the original negatives, it had been 12 years since Jedi and 18 years since Star Wars, and they were said to be in very bad shape.

It has now been almost 20 years since the last OOT restoration (which was later converted into the '97 SE).

What are the chances that the negatives and fx are in even worse shape than they were in '95?

If the RMW 4K work is from a 'new' scan of the original elements, it would seem that the negatives are not much changed from what we've seen, however the lightsaber effects have continued to degrade, again, from the short snipped that we've seen.

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NeverarGreat said:

Alderaan said:

It just occurred to me, when Lucas last restored the original negatives, it had been 12 years since Jedi and 18 years since Star Wars, and they were said to be in very bad shape.

It has now been almost 20 years since the last OOT restoration (which was later converted into the '97 SE).

What are the chances that the negatives and fx are in even worse shape than they were in '95?

If the RMW 4K work is from a 'new' scan of the original elements, it would seem that the negatives are not much changed from what we've seen, however the lightsaber effects have continued to degrade, again, from the short snipped that we've seen.

 

I was under the impression that it was a scan from the 2004 SE that was to be used for 3D Lucas-graffiti releases that are now abandoned?

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Alderaan said:

NeverarGreat said:

Alderaan said:

It just occurred to me, when Lucas last restored the original negatives, it had been 12 years since Jedi and 18 years since Star Wars, and they were said to be in very bad shape.

It has now been almost 20 years since the last OOT restoration (which was later converted into the '97 SE).

What are the chances that the negatives and fx are in even worse shape than they were in '95?

If the RMW 4K work is from a 'new' scan of the original elements, it would seem that the negatives are not much changed from what we've seen, however the lightsaber effects have continued to degrade, again, from the short snipped that we've seen.

 

I was under the impression that it was a scan from the 2004 SE that was to be used for 3D Lucas-graffiti releases that are now abandoned?

 I didn't know American Graffiti was getting a 3D release!

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Handman said:

 I didn't know American Graffiti was getting a 3D release!

 

We should have bitched about all of his other films too.

Maybe he would have gotten pissed and ruined all of them.

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Alderaan said:

NeverarGreat said:

Alderaan said:

It just occurred to me, when Lucas last restored the original negatives, it had been 12 years since Jedi and 18 years since Star Wars, and they were said to be in very bad shape.

It has now been almost 20 years since the last OOT restoration (which was later converted into the '97 SE).

What are the chances that the negatives and fx are in even worse shape than they were in '95?

If the RMW 4K work is from a 'new' scan of the original elements, it would seem that the negatives are not much changed from what we've seen, however the lightsaber effects have continued to degrade, again, from the short snipped that we've seen.

 

I was under the impression that it was a scan from the 2004 SE that was to be used for 3D Lucas-graffiti releases that are now abandoned?

 It wouldn't be a scan of the 2004 release because that was primarily a digital "enhancement" of the 97 SE.

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Yeah, Lucasfilm had a pretty high opinion of the 2004 transfer, calling it a "digital negative." While that transfer (in its revised 2011 form) has apparently been used to make at least one DCP (the Atlanta screening earlier this year), it's still got a host of issues.

I'd like to think we've seen the last of that transfer even if we haven't seen the last of the SE.

Oh, and I wouldn't be so sure that the 3D version has been abandoned. We know Lucas was doing conversion tests of some scenes in ANH, probably using the '04 master. But that was way back in '07 or '08 at the latest. Even putting aside the outdated quality of the source, whatever conversion tech they were using at the time would warrant a do-over anyway all these years later. Now that Disney's in charge, I really wouldn't be surprised if they're doing a fresh 3D conversion from the newer 4k master to release in theaters as part of the build-up to Episode 7.