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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 74

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The rolling droid must be called BALL-E, surely . . .

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chyron8472 said:

FunkyDays said:

Leonardo said:

http://reallifecomics.com/comic.php?comic=december-3-2014

Obviously Greg Dean has missed the point. Also, thanks for the insult.

 Greg Dean needs to learn what 'canon' means.

Personally, I think 'canon' can be arbitrary, depending on the fan. But I wanted to ask what exactly is /officially/ supposed to be canon for Star Wars. Just the numbered movies? Which edits of the movies?

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Jedi Rocks is not canon, thanks.

 Officially, this is what's canon since the Disney merger:

  • Original Trilogy
  • Prequel Trilogy
  • Sequel Trilogy
  • The Clone Wars (2008 movie & TV series - includes the 4 unfinished eps)
  • Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir (comic)
  • A New Dawn (novel)
  • Rebels (TV series)
  • Tarkin (novel)
  • "One Thousand Levels Down" (short story)
  • "Blade Squadron" (short story)

And everything else that comes out from now on.

The 2003 Clone Wars cartoon is no longer canon (the 2008 series contradicts it too many times, I think). I don't think it's been officially stated which versions of the films are canon, but I'd assume it's the most recent Blu-Ray releases.

Which would, unfortunately, mean that Jedi Rocks is canon.

Sorry.

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Erik Pancakes said:

chyron8472 said:

FunkyDays said:

Leonardo said:

http://reallifecomics.com/comic.php?comic=december-3-2014

Obviously Greg Dean has missed the point. Also, thanks for the insult.

 Greg Dean needs to learn what 'canon' means.

Personally, I think 'canon' can be arbitrary, depending on the fan. But I wanted to ask what exactly is /officially/ supposed to be canon for Star Wars. Just the numbered movies? Which edits of the movies?

...

Jedi Rocks is not canon, thanks.

 Officially, this is what's canon since the Disney merger:

  • Original Trilogy
  • Prequel Trilogy
  • Sequel Trilogy
  • The Clone Wars (2008 movie & TV series - includes the 4 unfinished eps)
  • Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir (comic)
  • A New Dawn (novel)
  • Rebels (TV series)
  • Tarkin (novel)
  • "One Thousand Levels Down" (short story)
  • "Blade Squadron" (short story)

And everything else that comes out from now on.

 ROTR will be official canon? Sweet!

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Erik Pancakes said:

 Officially, this is what's canon since the Disney merger:

  • Original Trilogy
  • Prequel Trilogy
  • Sequel Trilogy
  • The Clone Wars (2008 movie & TV series - includes the 4 unfinished eps)
  • Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir (comic)
  • A New Dawn (novel)
  • Rebels (TV series)
  • Tarkin (novel)
  • "One Thousand Levels Down" (short story)
  • "Blade Squadron" (short story)

And everything else that comes out from now on.

The 2003 Clone Wars cartoon is no longer canon (the 2008 series contradicts it too many times, I think). I don't think it's been officially stated which versions of the films are canon, but I'd assume it's the most recent Blu-Ray releases.

Which would, unfortunately, mean that Jedi Rocks is canon.

Sorry.

 Which means that when Greg Dean says that hilted lightsabers have been 'canon' for years, and everyone who doesn't like it are just ***h*les - he is dead wrong and he should be looking in the mirror if he's looking for an ***h*le :-)

“Yes, it speaks of the trinity; casting light at the sun with its wandering eye”

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Exactly. They were canon until Disney announced they were wiping the canon slate clean, but they most certainly aren't canon now, and haven't been for over a year. (Two years? When did Disney announce the "Legends" thing?)

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They weren't talking about the SEs, they were talking about a hypothetical OT with cgi effects replacing the practical ones.

Edit: whoops, I was supposed to quote something from the previous page, oh well, imagine a bunch of arrows here.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

I've decided that the football Droid ...in the teaser... was rushing to warn of danger.

 You're kidding, right?

He's obviously part of an alarm system.

The entire trailer is clearly drawn from just one sequence, except for the cross-sword and wet X-wings.

Tattooine's surface is "Rebel Territory", while the Falcon does battle with an invading Imperial squadron.  The Falcon shoots down a Tie fighter, and the unhelmeted trooper is now down in hostile territory, setting off the alarm-droid roller-ball guy, who notifies the girl on the popsicle, who sets off (recklessly, as is her wont, we will soon learn) to exterminate him to add another trooper-token to her treasure-belt.

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Erik Pancakes said:

The 2003 Clone Wars cartoon is no longer canon (the 2008 series contradicts it too many times, I think).

 Actually they went out of their way to avoid everything covered in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars. So it still fits in perfectly with the later show. Though since George wasn't personally involved in the project it's been discarded.

Your list also leaves out the novelizations of all the films.

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Are the radio dramas for the OT cannon?

I love the extra scenes in them.

“First feel fear, then get angry. Then go with your life into the fight.” - Bill Mollison

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I would hope so. It's not been officially clarified as far as I know but Wookieepedia has them listed as Legends.

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FanFiltration said:

Are the radio dramas for the OT cannon?

 It's ALL make-believe.  No company gets to decide what's real fake vs fake fake. They claim they can only because some people turn their power over to them.

Watch what you want to watch.  I can promise you it's every bit as "real" as whatever Lucas thought he could decide for other people.

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Anchorhead said:



FanFiltration said:

Are the radio dramas for the OT cannon?


 It's ALL make-believe.  No company gets to decide what's real fake vs fake fake. They claim they can only because some people turn their power over to them.

Watch what you want to watch.  I can promise you it's every bit as "real" as whatever Lucas thought he could decide for other people.

I wish more people I talked to thought about these things felt this way. Well said, Anchorhead - as always.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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bkev said:

Anchorhead said:



FanFiltration said:

Are the radio dramas for the OT cannon?


 It's ALL make-believe.  No company gets to decide what's real fake vs fake fake. They claim they can only because some people turn their power over to them.

Watch what you want to watch.  I can promise you it's every bit as "real" as whatever Lucas thought he could decide for other people.


I wish more people I talked to thought about these things felt this way. Well said, Anchorhead - as always.

 Only EU I came to know was 2003 clone wars, SPlinter, Heir, KOTOR and Shadows of Empire.  Of these, KOTOR and clone wars were great, Heir was good and Shadows sucked.  Shadows should have been my first clue how bad it was going to get. Splinter---well....oh boy, lets just say in order to make this 'comfortably canon'...you need to make the luke leia storylines in ESB and ROTJ not canon BWAAAHAHAHAAAA.

for me - my own personal canon  is the OOT...and Robot Chicken Star Wars!! BWAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAAA

But to me what underscores Anchorhead's point are that 1)of course Lucas didnt have set stories for the movies 2)The so-called 'official story group', that apparently provides a good house-keeping seal for all future works, have gone on record: although they made EU 'non-canon' they will not rule out using characters and concepts that originated from the EU if they they it makes for a good story.

 

now i'll wait for someone to edit my post to read "they will not rule out using characters and concepts that originated from the EU if they they it makes for a good toy to sell."

 

 

click here if lack of OOT got you down

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Tobar said:

Erik Pancakes said:

The 2003 Clone Wars cartoon is no longer canon (the 2008 series contradicts it too many times, I think).

 Actually they went out of their way to avoid everything covered in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars. So it still fits in perfectly with the later show. Though since George wasn't personally involved in the project it's been discarded.

Your list also leaves out the novelizations of all the films.

 Novelizations are in a sort of grey area right now. I haven't seen any official comment on their canon/non-canon status since the "Legends" business. Same with the radio dramas.

And I've been watching the 2008 series through for the first time, and there are definitely contradictions with the 2003 series. Assaj Ventress is implied to have been recruited in a different way than depicted in the 2003 series; it's heavily implied that the events with Kit Fisto on Mon Calamari in the 2003 series never happened (and they're more or less remade in season 4's "Water War" trilogy); General Grievous has his cough, which he didn't get until just before ROTS according to the 2003 series; and, going chronologically, the Jedi starfighter design changes to the ROTS design too soon in the 2003 series. There may be more contradictions the further I get in the 2008 series, but as of now, I'm finding it slightly difficult (though not completely impossible) to reconcile the two in the same continuity.

Also, I 100% agree with Anchorhead's point of view on this. I'll consider whatever I want "canon" just like I do with Doctor Who. I was just listing what the official word is from Lucasfilm/Disney, nothing more.

And personally, despite the contradictions, I still count the 2003 Clone Wars in "my" canon along with the 2008 show.

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Is there anywhere the 2003 movie can be viewed online for free (outside of the U.S.)? I have yet to see it, but it doesn't seem worth it to pay for it or go out of my way to get it.

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RicOlie_2 said:

Sorry, I meant series.

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