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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 73

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darklordoftech said:

Bingowings said:

Part of the problem with AOTC is that it has two desert planets (one orange and one red) in the same movie. It would have made for a better narrative if both of those worlds were Tatooine (the droid armies explaining how the Jawas get to sell so many salvaged droids and why the locals don't like drinking with them). in terms of numbers you get two worlds but in terms of the richness of the environments in which the story is told we get short changed.

For this to work, Obi-Wan (and Qui-Gon if he keeps the role that he has in TPM) would have to discover Anakin after being drawn to Tatooine by the war. The army being constructed on the same planet that Anakin was discovered on 9 years earlier is too much of a coincidence.

The story could have easily been adjusted to make it work.

For example Tatooine has been invaded by the Separatists and the Jedi are forbidden to interfere while negotiations to avoid war are taking place but Anakin is having dreams about his mother in peril so he disobeys the Council and attempts to rescue her anyway.

Meanwhile Obi-Wan has tracked Fett's ship to Tatooine he makes the connection between Fett and the Separatists (who have droid factories on many worlds) but gets captured and is used as a political prisoner and placed in the arena with Anakin and Padme for the amusement of the Hutts playing host to the Separatist council.

The Army of the Republic led by Jedi rescue the captives and drive the droid armies off the planet. The Hutts plead they were overpowered but Anakin and the Jedi free their slaves as punishment (Anakin's dream comes true...you know the one George forgot all about). 

This reduces the number of locations down but enriches the locations we do see because it explains all the debris the Jawas make money from. It's consistent with the Hutt's penchant for arena sport. It gives Anakin something heroic to do to balance out the bad. It cuts down the ship landing/taking off shots so rampant in the PT. And it explains why the Tatooine locals keep droids at arms length.

As for coincidence it's no less a stretch than having Luke placed on the same planet that his father grew up on just as that same father tracks down his sister searching out his old master who lives nearby.

This is how the saga has worked since 1980 it's a bit late to complain about how implausible it all is. Having Anakin raised on the same planet as Luke makes practically no sense either.

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imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

imperialscum said:

I really don't get why people put such a priority on non-CGI stuff...

It's called "personal preference". Does that finally answer your often asked question? 

Well obviously. My question was more in a sense "why would someone even have such a preference". :)

I mean hypothetically, OT with CGI would still be great while PT with real SFX would still be the same shit. That is my main point.

Because cgi always looks fake in that cgi way. Models can also look fake, but at least you have the charm of the model. You can't seriously be saying the OT would be just as good with cgi... can you?

Also, in the trailer I thought the shot of the Falcon was weak, it has the fake motion blurring that cgi never gets right - the image felt thin and light. 

I know the new film will have a lot if cgi, but at least sets gave been built and there's an effort to make things look more believable. 

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I'm old enough to be convinced by the better CGI these days...My legs are old and bent. My ears are ... my nose is knackered.

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Bingowings said:

Having Anakin raised on the same planet as Luke makes practically no sense either.

 

Ben Kenobi said:

That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.

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dan76 said:

Also, in the trailer I thought the shot of the Falcon was weak, it has the fake motion blurring that cgi never gets right - the image felt thin and light. 

CGI in teasers and trailers is rarely, if ever, the finished shot.

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Tobar said:

Bingowings said:

Having Anakin raised on the same planet as Luke makes practically no sense either.

 

Ben Kenobi said:

That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.

 Just because Owen thought he should stay on Tatooine doesn't follow that where Anakin is from.

If some Kung Fu Guru types took a child from Washington and everything began to go pear-shaped it would make sense for the whole family to move to New Mexico and suggest the kid stay with them and keep away from the dojo.

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I've decided that the football Droid is called "Skippy" until further notice. Because from the brief shot we got in the teaser, I had the feeling he was rushing to warn of danger. Kind of a "Beep Boop Beep... What's that Skip? Uncle Luke has fallen down a well?!?" vibe.

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Bingowings said:

Tobar said:

Bingowings said:

Having Anakin raised on the same planet as Luke makes practically no sense either.

 

Ben Kenobi said:

That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals. Thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved.

 Just because Owen thought he should stay on Tatooine doesn't follow that where Anakin is from.

If some Kung Fu Guru types took a child from Washington and everything began to go pear-shaped it would make sense for the whole family to move to New Mexico and suggest the kid stay with them and keep away from the dojo.

This is by far the most reasonable series of events that could have happened to the Lars family. The new Empire has created a refugee crisis by seizing the more fertile agricultural worlds for military use, leaving Owen and Beru to find any interstellar rock they can cling to. They offer Anakin the choice to join them in finding a new home, but he refuses and they depart. Anakin never knows where they end up, and isn't particularly interested in finding out.

Oh, and Episode 7 looks promising, I guess. ;)

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Ryan McAvoy said:

I've decided that the football Droid is called "Skippy" until further notice. Because from the brief shot we got in the teaser, I had the feeling he was rushing to warn of danger. Kind of a "Beep Boop Beep... What's that Skip? Uncle Luke has fallen down a well?!?" vibe.

We already have a droid named "Skippy", thank you very much.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skippy_the_Jedi_Droid

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

I've decided that the football Droid is called "Skippy" until further notice. Because from the brief shot we got in the teaser, I had the feeling he was rushing to warn of danger. Kind of a "Beep Boop Beep... What's that Skip? Uncle Luke has fallen down a well?!?" vibe.

We already have a droid named "Skippy", thank you very much.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skippy_the_Jedi_Droid

 Just as canonical as ever before

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Ryan McAvoy said:

I've decided that the football Droid is called "Skippy" until further notice. Because from the brief shot we got in the teaser, I had the feeling he was rushing to warn of danger. Kind of a "Beep Boop Beep... What's that Skip? Uncle Luke has fallen down a well?!?" vibe.

 I'm going for RicRollie.

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Bingowings said:

 I'm going for RicRollie.

Wow, that's an excellent name.  I'm never gonna give that one up.

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I think the round droid should be called Mr. Ball, the happy kooky droid with a passion for quips and a love of all things Richard Basehart!

Oh thats Gypsy.

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CatBus said:

Bingowings said:

I'm going for RicRollie.

Wow, that's an excellent name. I'm never gonna give that one up.

Note to Frink: have RicRollie play "Never Gonna Give You Up" upon his introduction in The Ridiculousness Awakens

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ratpack1961 said:

I think the round droid should be called Mr. Ball, the happy kooky droid with a passion for quips and a love of all things Richard Basehart!

Oh thats Gypsy.

 Warning: Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

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FunkyDays said:

Leonardo said:

http://reallifecomics.com/comic.php?comic=december-3-2014

Obviously Greg Dean has missed the point. Also, thanks for the insult.

 Greg Dean needs to learn what 'canon' means.

Personally, I think 'canon' can be arbitrary, depending on the fan. But I wanted to ask what exactly is /officially/ supposed to be canon for Star Wars. Just the numbered movies? Which edits of the movies?

I know that Gene Roddenberry has personally gone on record to say that /only/ the Star Trek movies and TV shows are officially canon, and anything else from anywhere else is not (read:fan fiction). That's fine by me because the finale of Enterprise remains a holonovel from a version of the Enterprise D that isn't from the Prime universe... but I digress.

Meanwhile George Lucas has, I think, said he (at least at one point) considered The Force Unleashed video game to be canon. But then, why do we care what Lucas actually thinks anymore anyway? I'm not sure I want the official numbered films to be the only canonized material because, frankly, the modern George Lucas edits of the Star Wars films all suck.

Jedi Rocks is not canon, thanks.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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dan76 said:

imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

imperialscum said:

I really don't get why people put such a priority on non-CGI stuff...

It's called "personal preference". Does that finally answer your often asked question? 

Well obviously. My question was more in a sense "why would someone even have such a preference". :)

I mean hypothetically, OT with CGI would still be great while PT with real SFX would still be the same shit. That is my main point.

Because cgi always looks fake in that cgi way. Models can also look fake, but at least you have the charm of the model. You can't seriously be saying the OT would be just as good with cgi... can you?

OT with CGI would not be as great but still great.... while PT with real models would not be as shit but still shit. That's what I said.

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imperialscum said:

OT with CGI would not be as great but still great.... while PT with real models would not be as shit but still shit. That's what I said.

 Speak for yourself. I refuse to watch Return of the Jedi if it has Jedi Rocks in it. Ruins the tone of the entire first act.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

imperialscum said:

OT with CGI would not be as great but still great.... while PT with real models would not be as shit but still shit. That's what I said.

 Speak for yourself. I refuse to watch Return of the Jedi if it has Jedi Rocks in it. Ruins the tone of the entire first act.

 That's not CGI, that's just bad!