brimforge said:
nah, Sith should use the "warm" side of the light spectrum: yellow, orange and red - Jedi the "cool" one: blue, green and maybe white ...
Windu ruined purple lightsabers for you, I take it. ;-)
Lucas ruined the lightsaber colors ...
in an ideal edit, Windu would have a green blade or blue - or others like his status would have purple ;-)
hey, even an ambitious take would be better, to show he had some training, that not all Jedi see as "safe" or good.
So in light of the "TFA" teaser, what do you guys think of making Palpatine's lightsaber unstable looking like the new villain. I heard that in the original storyboards for ROTS Palpatine was supposed to have a flame like lightsaber. Regardless, if the new lightsaber is actually an ancient lightsaber like some of the rumors suggest then it might be kinda cool if palpy is wielding an old lightsaber.
“You can’t polish a turd. But you can shape it to look like candy.”
As I have said on many occasions it weakens Yoda and Palpatine to have them use any weapon other than the Force itself.
on that account it would be cool to only have Palpatine use force lightning - Dooku using it diminishes the effect ...
I think Jedi Knights and Sith Warriors should use lightsabers - the "grand masters" only use the Force ;-)
so a duel between Yoda and Palpatine could be more of a "mind game" (or force storm)
^VERY THIS!
Mind game is cool. I like the idea that their confrontation never actually happens, like they just think it out and Yoda realises that he has to leave.
I really liked how Palpatine threw half of the senate at Yoda ;-)
so more of that with a lot of taunting, which would make rising the X-Wing out of the water kind of a easy thing - for a young Jedi, but we would see how old Yoda really now was (after all this fighting he had lost much strength)
The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Oh really Yoda? In 900 years I guess your memory is fading... I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly? And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?
The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem. The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.
Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene. Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...
obikal said:
The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Oh really Yoda? In 900 years I guess your memory is fading... I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly? And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?
The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem. The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.
Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene. Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...
Yoda shouldn't fight at all. I've gone so far as to say that he shouldn't be in the Prequels at all. Just mentioned as this great Jedi who trained a bunch of the wisest masters in the order. You could even have a mythology built around him, where young Jedi in training have conversations about him and share rumours. "I heard he's 8 feet tall and wields 2 lightsabers!" And of course when we then finally meet Yoda in ESB, we realise he's powerful in a whole different way - beyond the physical.
brash_stryker said:
obikal said:
The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Oh really Yoda? In 900 years I guess your memory is fading... I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly? And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?
The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem. The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.
Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene. Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...
Yoda shouldn't fight at all. I've gone so far as to say that he shouldn't be in the Prequels at all. Just mentioned as this great Jedi who trained a bunch of the wisest masters in the order. You could even have a mythology built around him, where young Jedi in training have conversations about him and share rumours. "I heard he's 8 feet tall and wields 2 lightsabers!" And of course when we then finally meet Yoda in ESB, we realise he's powerful in a whole different way - beyond the physical.
Hmm, interesting idea, I like it.
I would prefer him not being in the prequels at all vs being in the story and not take action against Sidious. I guess if he's not in the story at all - he's still not taking action against Sidious... seems too passive thinking about it.
Again when training Luke: 'a Jedi uses the force for defense' - should we see Yoda do this? To protect the innocent?
obikal said:
brash_stryker said:
obikal said:
The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Oh really Yoda? In 900 years I guess your memory is fading... I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly? And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?
The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem. The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.
Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene. Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...
Yoda shouldn't fight at all. I've gone so far as to say that he shouldn't be in the Prequels at all. Just mentioned as this great Jedi who trained a bunch of the wisest masters in the order. You could even have a mythology built around him, where young Jedi in training have conversations about him and share rumours. "I heard he's 8 feet tall and wields 2 lightsabers!" And of course when we then finally meet Yoda in ESB, we realise he's powerful in a whole different way - beyond the physical.
Hmm, interesting idea, I like it.
I would prefer him not being in the prequels at all vs being in the story and not take action against Sidious. I guess if he's not in the story at all - he's still not taking action against Sidious... seems too passive thinking about it.
Again when training Luke: 'a Jedi uses the force for defense' - should we see Yoda do this? To protect the innocent?
Yoda's philosophy seems to be rather indifferent to the suffering of others, or rather views their suffering as a necessary sacrifice, and to help them would cause more problems than it solves. He basically says this to Luke, and it's an understandably difficult pill to swallow. The Masters aren't traditional superheroes, and they certainly don't vow to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In the OT, Masters were not simply the most powerful Knights, but a different Force user entirely. They were Force gurus, able to train the Knights who were more traditional keepers of peace and justice.
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obikal said:
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Yoda could have been lying.
NeverarGreat said:
Yoda's philosophy seems to be rather indifferent to the suffering of others, or rather views their suffering as a necessary sacrifice, and to help them would cause more problems than it solves. He basically says this to Luke, and it's an understandably difficult pill to swallow. The Masters aren't traditional superheroes, and they certainly don't vow to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In the OT, Masters were not simply the most powerful Knights, but a different Force user entirely. They were Force gurus, able to train the Knights who were more traditional keepers of peace and justice.
Hmm, I agree that Yoda sees suffering as a 'potentially' necessary sacrifice, for sure. But what reasoning would there be for allowing Sidious to become an Emperor?
If Yoda just takes a non-violent stand against Sidious, that would be totally acceptable and quite cool to see. I guess it's just a fine line between passivity and hypocrisy.
darklordoftech said:
obikal said:
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Yoda could have been lying.
From a certain point of view. ;)
NeverarGreat said:
obikal said:
brash_stryker said:
obikal said:
The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Oh really Yoda? In 900 years I guess your memory is fading... I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly? And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?
The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem. The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.
Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene. Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...
Yoda shouldn't fight at all. I've gone so far as to say that he shouldn't be in the Prequels at all. Just mentioned as this great Jedi who trained a bunch of the wisest masters in the order. You could even have a mythology built around him, where young Jedi in training have conversations about him and share rumours. "I heard he's 8 feet tall and wields 2 lightsabers!" And of course when we then finally meet Yoda in ESB, we realise he's powerful in a whole different way - beyond the physical.
Hmm, interesting idea, I like it.
I would prefer him not being in the prequels at all vs being in the story and not take action against Sidious. I guess if he's not in the story at all - he's still not taking action against Sidious... seems too passive thinking about it.
Again when training Luke: 'a Jedi uses the force for defense' - should we see Yoda do this? To protect the innocent?
Yoda's philosophy seems to be rather indifferent to the suffering of others, or rather views their suffering as a necessary sacrifice, and to help them would cause more problems than it solves. He basically says this to Luke, and it's an understandably difficult pill to swallow. The Masters aren't traditional superheroes, and they certainly don't vow to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In the OT, Masters were not simply the most powerful Knights, but a different Force user entirely. They were Force gurus, able to train the Knights who were more traditional keepers of peace and justice.
Did you get a similar impression of The Emperor?
darklordoftech said:
NeverarGreat said:
obikal said:
brash_stryker said:
obikal said:
The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Oh really Yoda? In 900 years I guess your memory is fading... I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly? And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?
The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem. The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.
Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene. Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...
Yoda shouldn't fight at all. I've gone so far as to say that he shouldn't be in the Prequels at all. Just mentioned as this great Jedi who trained a bunch of the wisest masters in the order. You could even have a mythology built around him, where young Jedi in training have conversations about him and share rumours. "I heard he's 8 feet tall and wields 2 lightsabers!" And of course when we then finally meet Yoda in ESB, we realise he's powerful in a whole different way - beyond the physical.
Hmm, interesting idea, I like it.
I would prefer him not being in the prequels at all vs being in the story and not take action against Sidious. I guess if he's not in the story at all - he's still not taking action against Sidious... seems too passive thinking about it.
Again when training Luke: 'a Jedi uses the force for defense' - should we see Yoda do this? To protect the innocent?
Yoda's philosophy seems to be rather indifferent to the suffering of others, or rather views their suffering as a necessary sacrifice, and to help them would cause more problems than it solves. He basically says this to Luke, and it's an understandably difficult pill to swallow. The Masters aren't traditional superheroes, and they certainly don't vow to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In the OT, Masters were not simply the most powerful Knights, but a different Force user entirely. They were Force gurus, able to train the Knights who were more traditional keepers of peace and justice.
Did you get a similar impression of The Emperor?
Now there's an interesting idea - use the moral ambiguity of the Jedi Masters as one of the Emperor's justifications for starting a war for the 'greater good' of the galaxy. Back when I first went to see ROTS Palpy seemed to be doing just this, sowing the seeds of distrust in Anakin's mind about the questionable motives of the Jedi council. But it didn't really go anywhere.
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NeverarGreat said:
darklordoftech said:
NeverarGreat said:
obikal said:
brash_stryker said:
obikal said:
The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.
Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"
Yoda: emphatically "No!"
Oh really Yoda? In 900 years I guess your memory is fading... I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly? And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?
The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem. The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.
Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene. Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...
Yoda shouldn't fight at all. I've gone so far as to say that he shouldn't be in the Prequels at all. Just mentioned as this great Jedi who trained a bunch of the wisest masters in the order. You could even have a mythology built around him, where young Jedi in training have conversations about him and share rumours. "I heard he's 8 feet tall and wields 2 lightsabers!" And of course when we then finally meet Yoda in ESB, we realise he's powerful in a whole different way - beyond the physical.
Hmm, interesting idea, I like it.
I would prefer him not being in the prequels at all vs being in the story and not take action against Sidious. I guess if he's not in the story at all - he's still not taking action against Sidious... seems too passive thinking about it.
Again when training Luke: 'a Jedi uses the force for defense' - should we see Yoda do this? To protect the innocent?
Yoda's philosophy seems to be rather indifferent to the suffering of others, or rather views their suffering as a necessary sacrifice, and to help them would cause more problems than it solves. He basically says this to Luke, and it's an understandably difficult pill to swallow. The Masters aren't traditional superheroes, and they certainly don't vow to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In the OT, Masters were not simply the most powerful Knights, but a different Force user entirely. They were Force gurus, able to train the Knights who were more traditional keepers of peace and justice.
Did you get a similar impression of The Emperor?
Now there's an interesting idea - use the moral ambiguity of the Jedi Masters as one of the Emperor's justifications for starting a war for the 'greater good' of the galaxy. Back when I first went to see ROTS Palpy seemed to be doing just this, sowing the seeds of distrust in Anakin's mind about the questionable motives of the Jedi council. But it didn't really go anywhere.
I was actually referring to whether The Emperor is a "master" or a "knight" in the OT, but that is an awesome idea. The novelization implies that part of why Anakin turned is because he thought that the Jedi were just like the Sith except more passive.
obikal said:
NeverarGreat said:
Yoda's philosophy seems to be rather indifferent to the suffering of others, or rather views their suffering as a necessary sacrifice, and to help them would cause more problems than it solves. He basically says this to Luke, and it's an understandably difficult pill to swallow. The Masters aren't traditional superheroes, and they certainly don't vow to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In the OT, Masters were not simply the most powerful Knights, but a different Force user entirely. They were Force gurus, able to train the Knights who were more traditional keepers of peace and justice.
Hmm, I agree that Yoda sees suffering as a 'potentially' necessary sacrifice, for sure. But what reasoning would there be for allowing Sidious to become an Emperor?
If Yoda just takes a non-violent stand against Sidious, that would be totally acceptable and quite cool to see. I guess it's just a fine line between passivity and hypocrisy.
I don't see Yoda being anywhere near able to defeat the Emperor in the OT. Extrapolating back to the PT era, I don't think that Yoda would be powerful enough to oppose the Emperor. After all, he presumably trained Luke simply to confront and defeat Vader. He may have had no idea that Luke would be brought before the Emperor. I imagine a scenario where Luke confronts Vader and defeats him, and upon taking the title of Jedi Knight, trains Leia to be a Jedi. Together they may just have the wherewithal to defeat the Emperor. Or Luke could turn Vader, but Obi-wan doesn't see this as an option.
I just had an idea, if Yoda is still involved in the Prequels. He would literally use the Force for knowledge and defense, alerting the galaxy to the plans and aspirations of this dangerous Chancellor. However, instead of backing down and becoming embroiled in scandal, Palpatine moves more quickly and unilaterally to stifle the Jedi and form the Empire, where it otherwise may have taken decades. Because of this failure, Yoda retreats in shame for 20 years to Dagobah.
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Yoda definitely shouldn't be a public figure in the prequels because him being one raises the question of why Yoda never came up in the conversations that Luke had with other members of the Rebel Alliance in between SW and ESB. Considering that they're in rebellion against the Empire and are in hiding for that reason, there's no way that they're going to respect Imperial bans on talking about Jedi.
A couple more notions that popped into my head while in the bath today.
1) Jar-Jar is clumsy because his body responds to things before they are in his field of physical influence. Because he predicts them being there through untrained sensitivity to the Force.
No Gungans have ever been taken to by the Jedi to be trained because of an ancient Gungan prophecy that a Force sensitive "or cursed" Gungan will bring darkness on the galaxy.
They hide from the Jedi and the Sith to avoid this. Both orders are aware of this legend but only the Sith take it seriously. The blockade is all about Jar-Jar, Jar-Jar is the chosen one who will bring the Sith back to power.
Anakin is another potential Jedi.
2). Jar-Jar is a girl (we see female Gungans in the Clone Wars television series but not in the films) giving the character a female voice would put a large distance between the racial associations of the character and clumsy female characters though not unheard of are more rare than male ones. Also we don't have many featured female aliens in the saga. We don't have many featured female characters at all.
3). Attempting to formulate an edit of the prequels using Guardians of the Galaxy as a template.
For example we have a prologue of Anakin saying goodbye to his mother and the rest of his memories of home are told in flashback or nightmares cut into the other two episodes.
To be honest I haven't given this as much thought as is needed but hopefully just mentioning it will get the ball rolling.
GOTG has scenes and characters which have some parallel with the prequel characters as a whole but not chronologically. It might be possible to mash up scenes from the PT to create a core team of characters at least for one film which enter and exit perils in much the same way that the Marvel characters do.
The relationship between Ronan and Thanos is similar to that of a Sith apprentice and his Master. So Dooku could be the prime villain of the first edit in occasionally in contact with Sidious but assisted by Maul in much the same role that Nebula serves to Ronan.
The council scenes would be as brief as the Nova Corps scenes.
A silent or re-dubbed Jar-Jar (or maybe a ROTS Wookiee) would fit in the gangly alien role of Groot. Yoda would small enough to carried by either and could wield the Force in much the same way Rocket fires his guns. Anakin despite his origin story would probably have to adopt Drax's sullen brooding punctuated by violence role (which would cut his lines down) and Obi-Wan would be a bit Star Lordy. Padme's TPM wardrobe would make her possibly Gamoraesque at least for one edit.
If this could work it would require watching the Marvel film and trying to find an analogue scene in the prequels that could be adapted to squeeze the characters in.
Naturally if this is remotely possible it would take a heck of a lot of rotoscoping to move characters from one film and position them believably in another but it wouldn't be on topic without a radical (if not impossibly so) proposal in the idea.
At the very least it might make an amusing mock trailer.
hehe, maybe if one cut the prequels into ONE fun-adventure movie ala "Guardians of the Galaxy" it could really be entertaining ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYMJdhbitXQ
My thought for the day (partly inspired from watching and loving Frink's latest clips) is in ROTS, when Kenobi drops his saber he never gets it back.
When Anakin goes to try and talk Windu into not killing Palpatine he goes unarmed.
Palpatine's saber (which he doesn't need or use again) doesn't go out the window when it breaks. It's on the floor but as what happens to Mace and Anakin is a mystery we don't see what happens next.
This way Kenobi gets Anakin's saber from Padme and uses it to fight Vader who has a red saber.
That would be a nice transition. Jedi Lightsaber - Unarmed - Sith Lightsaber.
While we are on the subject, it might be easier to change the line in ANH so that Obi-Wan says Luke's mother wanted him to have the Saber when he was old enough.
Added to changing the line in ROTJ so that Vader remembers that Luke's mother once felt the same way about turning him back to the light side (rather than Ben which he shows very little evidence of in the PT) and we at least have some sort of acknowledgement of Padme's character beyond Leia's few lines.
I'd rather change the PT to match the OT but in these instances they are actually easier fixes.