It would be a miracle if they saved all the files for the effects after all these years.
Maybe they can just scan a unused film print of those two? ROTS looked pretty good on 35mm. AOTC not so much.
Where were you in '77?
SilverWook said:
It would be a miracle if they saved all the files for the effects after all these years.
Why wouldn't they save the effects files for the SEs and the prequels? I'm sure Lucas intended to reuse them over and over again.
Time and technology marches on. One one of the ROTS commentaries, there is mention of some doubt at ILM that they could plug in the Episode One model of Boss Nass into the software they were using at the time. That's only about a six year span.
Data files can get lost or even wiped. Just ask Pixar. ;)
Where were you in '77?
If they at the least have all the raw footage still around from the PT, Disney should at least consider re-editing the films from the ground up, not having to strictly stick to the set structure of the original versions. Then they do all new modern VFX, also not having to necessarily stick to what was originally there. And even the new VFX could help modify the story, along with maybe just a little newly shot footage here and there. And they can do it all in a 4K DI, given the live-action footage is properly upscaled via the best motion-adpative upscalers available.
But we all know no studio would ever spend that kind of money a project like that unfortunately.
SilverWook said:
Time and technology marches on. One one of the ROTS commentaries, there is mention of some doubt at ILM that they could plug in the Episode One model of Boss Nass into the software they were using at the time. That's only about a six year span.
Data files can get lost or even wiped. Just ask Pixar. ;)
Doesn't seem like there would be a lot of point to save the effect files, except just to have them. Since AOTC and ROTS have a good amount of effects shots, I'm guessing a lot of hard drive would be required to hold all the files. It's been said Lucas has copies of everything, so I wouldn't be surprised if the effects files were housed somewhere.
emanswfan said:
If they at the least have all the raw footage still around from the PT, Disney should at least consider re-editing the films from the ground up, not having to strictly stick to the set structure of the original versions. Then they do all new modern VFX, also not having to necessarily stick to what was originally there. And even the new VFX could help modify the story, along with maybe just a little newly shot footage here and there. And they can do it all in a 4K DI, given the live-action footage is properly upscaled via the best motion-adpative upscalers available.
But we all know no studio would ever spend that kind of money a project like that unfortunately.
That seems like a huge investment for forgotten movies. The SE made sense because it was an expertly marketed theatrical re-release of beloved films, mostly done on Fox's dime. For Disney to completely recreate 2 movies, one of which is entirely forgotten, doesn't seem likely.
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SilverWook said:
Maybe they can just scan a unused film print of those two?
The irony would be strong with that.
moviefreakedmind said:
emanswfan said:
If they at the least have all the raw footage still around from the PT, Disney should at least consider re-editing the films from the ground up, not having to strictly stick to the set structure of the original versions. Then they do all new modern VFX, also not having to necessarily stick to what was originally there. And even the new VFX could help modify the story, along with maybe just a little newly shot footage here and there. And they can do it all in a 4K DI, given the live-action footage is properly upscaled via the best motion-adpative upscalers available.
But we all know no studio would ever spend that kind of money a project like that unfortunately.
That seems like a huge investment for forgotten movies. The SE made sense because it was an expertly marketed theatrical re-release of beloved films, mostly done on Fox's dime. For Disney to completely recreate 2 movies, one of which is entirely forgotten, doesn't seem likely.
Which one is "entirely forgotten"?
I'm assuming AOTC? Interestingly, there are a lot of people who do love ROTS.
Yes I was referring to Clones. Sith is also mostly forgotten but it has its fans.
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moviefreakedmind said:
Yes I was referring to Clones. Sith is also mostly forgotten but it has its fans.
Someone told me that they "saw the one where Luke becomes Darth Vader".
SilverWook said:
ROTS looked pretty good on 35mm. AOTC not so much.
How did 35mm AOTC and ROTS compare to blu-ray AOTC and ROTS?
Interstingly, Padme doesn't say "to be angry is to be human" in the 35mm version.
I saw ROTS in two different theaters, so I presume two different prints. It looked like film. Only saw AOTC once, and it looked fuzzy and washed out to me, like a bad video to film transfer. Maybe they had poor quality control on the prints made in 2002?
I've seen bad 16mm(?) film transfers of tv shows originally shot on video, so I do have a frame of reference.
Where were you in '77?
I saw AOTC twice in the theaters and I remember both times the picture wasn't very sharp looking, but my eyes got used to it. My friends with me said the same thing. I found AOTC to be ugly looking anyway. Interestingly, I really can't recall my viewing of ROTS, except I saw on the third day, the theater was packed and I sat toward the front. I only saw it once.
Roger Ebert agrees: http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/lucas-demonstrates-potential-of-digital-video-with-attack-of-the-clones
He seems to claim that AOTC's fuzziness on film was part of Lucas's agenda to push digital projection.
Handman said:
Roger Ebert agrees: http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/lucas-demonstrates-potential-of-digital-video-with-attack-of-the-clones
He seems to claim that AOTC's fuzziness on film was part of Lucas's agenda to push digital projection.
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Handman said:
Roger Ebert agrees: http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/lucas-demonstrates-potential-of-digital-video-with-attack-of-the-clones
He seems to claim that AOTC's fuzziness on film was part of Lucas's agenda to push digital projection.
I remember that. I saw it opening day after school and it was fuzzy. Of course theforce.net tried to blame it on my theater.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
lovelikewinter said:
Handman said:
Roger Ebert agrees: http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/lucas-demonstrates-potential-of-digital-video-with-attack-of-the-clones
He seems to claim that AOTC's fuzziness on film was part of Lucas's agenda to push digital projection.
I remember that. I saw it opening day after school and it was fuzzy. Of course theforce.net tried to blame it on my theater.
Maybe they stretched pantyhose over the projection lens, for that soft 70's look. :P
If your crop is water, what, exactly, would you dust your crops with?
Handman said:
Roger Ebert agrees: http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/lucas-demonstrates-potential-of-digital-video-with-attack-of-the-clones
He seems to claim that AOTC's fuzziness on film was part of Lucas's agenda to push digital projection.
The craziest part is that it's perfectly plausible, knowing Lucas's pathological M.O.
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000328161
1:35:
-Are you gonna re-release the old Star Wars?
-Disney chairman and CEO: it sounds like a great idea!
John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/
If you ask me, the OOT not being released is as likely as Jar Jar being the protagonist of The Force Awakens.
About 4K, The Force Awakens is being filmed on 35mm film, and I'm sure Kathleen Kennedy will want a matching Original Trilogy. Speaking of which, another reason for releasing the OOT is to match The Force Awakens's non-cgi effects.
That's right. Using less cgi effects goes against everything the SE's stood for
The Person in Question
I'm sure Ep7 will still have a lot of cgi in it. It'll simply be the way Abrams utilizes and combines physical stuff with digital that feels more true to the OT, I'm guessing.
Also, there appears to be confusion on the whole 2k/4k thing.
All movies shot on 35mm or one of the various digital cameras only have their digital vfx shots rendered at 2k. Even if the movie is finished as a 4k DI, the fx shots are still rendered at 2k and then upscaled to 4k. It's only the non-vfx shots that truly stand to benefit from the 4k finish, which is why movies like The Hobbit are only finished as a 2k DI.
The only exception to this is when a digital effects shot needs to match up to footage shot in a larger format like Imax. In those situations the Imax shots are rendered at a much higher resolution. 5.7k is the number I've heard bandied about.
Fang Zei said:
I'm sure Ep7 will still have a lot of cgi in it. It'll simply be the way Abrams utilizes and combines physical stuff with digital that feels more true to the OT, I'm guessing.
The Ronto and Jedi Rocks don't feel true to the OT at all.
darklordoftech said:
Fang Zei said:
I'm sure Ep7 will still have a lot of cgi in it. It'll simply be the way Abrams utilizes and combines physical stuff with digital that feels more true to the OT, I'm guessing.
The Ronto and Jedi Rocks don't feel true to the OT at all.
True, but he never mentioned them. He was saying that he thinks the CGI in Ep7 will be used in a much more non-intrusive way. Think more Jurassic Park than Avatar.
Handman said:
darklordoftech said:
Fang Zei said:
I'm sure Ep7 will still have a lot of cgi in it. It'll simply be the way Abrams utilizes and combines physical stuff with digital that feels more true to the OT, I'm guessing.
The Ronto and Jedi Rocks don't feel true to the OT at all.
True, but he never mentioned them.
but he was responding to the claim that the SEs go against the approach being taken with TFA