ray_afraid said:
I didn't say that... That's your idea quoted to look like it was me.
Oh, sorry. My mistake. See, I did the reply with quote thing on your post, I had to delete a few things and it looks like I accidentally kept your name but deleted the name that should be there instead. Sorry about this. I'm going to fix it now.
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I doubt that Adywan is keeping the dumbest part of the Wampa scene. Sorry.
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My problem with the original Wampa scene is that it's a lot less effective without any of the rest of the Wampa footage. Instead of a constant, creepy and mysterious menace on Hoth, we just get two scenes of something we never see. It's rather unsatisfactory and ruins the intended effect.
I think of it like the swamp creature that eats R2. It's just a danger of alien planets, not a plot point.timdiggerm said:
My problem with the original Wampa scene is that it's a lot less effective without any of the rest of the Wampa footage. Instead of a constant, creepy and mysterious menace on Hoth, we just get two scenes of something we never see. It's rather unsatisfactory and ruins the intended effect.
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doubleofive said:
I think of it like the swamp creature that eats R2. It's just a danger of alien planets, not a plot point.timdiggerm said:
My problem with the original Wampa scene is that it's a lot less effective without any of the rest of the Wampa footage. Instead of a constant, creepy and mysterious menace on Hoth, we just get two scenes of something we never see. It's rather unsatisfactory and ruins the intended effect.
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ray_afraid said:
doubleofive said:
I think of it like the swamp creature that eats R2. It's just a danger of alien planets, not a plot point.timdiggerm said:
My problem with the original Wampa scene is that it's a lot less effective without any of the rest of the Wampa footage. Instead of a constant, creepy and mysterious menace on Hoth, we just get two scenes of something we never see. It's rather unsatisfactory and ruins the intended effect.
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I used to like some of the changes, like the Falcon blasting out of Mos Eisley, and the ships leaving the moon. But after having had a chance to reflect more closely on the movies in their entirety and as a whole, I now think that all of the changes are crap. Every single one. Except giving credit to James Earl Jones... that was overdue.
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Except giving credit to James Earl Jones... that was overdue.
What's funny is that he still goes uncredited for the work he did in Empire, in '97 he only got one for the first film, (he was already credited in Jedi) but then again in those current fake cuts you have credits such as for Clive Revill's voice acting which can not be heard... so I guess it's not that important, it's beta versions for sale afterall.
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msycamore said:
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Except giving credit to James Earl Jones... that was overdue.
What's funny is that he still goes uncredited for the work he did in Empire, in '97 he only got one for the first film, (he was already credited in Jedi) but then again in those current fake cuts you have credits such as for Clive Revill's voice acting which can not be heard... so I guess it's not that important, it's beta versions for sale afterall.
Yeah, like Jack Klaff (Red Four: John. D). He's credited, but he only says "I'm Hit!"
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Favorites: Millennium Falcon taking off from Tatoonie, Death Star explosion, new sail barge, the Wampa cave, new Emperor hologram and a livelier Mos Eisley. (Even though the CGI is crap, it looks like a spaceport.)
Least Favorite: CG X-Wings, CG Jabba (both versions look like shit), Jedi Rocks, Boba Fett in ANH and Hans broken neck.
It's weird but ESB arguably benefits the most from the changes because there are relatively few of them. The Falcon landing at Cloud City was done very well. I find it hard to believe Lucas couldn't have done something like this back in 1980 though as it's basically a model with a matte painted background.
Nothing has so far benefited ROTJ. Every single change has little or no redeeming value. The new closing music is okay but the glimpse of other planets makes me wonder if Luke tweeted the Emperor's death or something because those celebrations sure came together quickly. Hayden as Anakin's ghosts, Jedi Rocks, "No... Noooooooooo!", they're all retarded.
All I really want is each film as it was originally seen and heard in theaters; no fixes, corrections, "improvements" or modifications necessary.
Favorite: removing Matte lines.
Least favorite: everything else.
TK-949 said:
Favorite: removing Matte lines.
Least favorite: everything else.
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thecolorsblend said:
Nothing has so far benefited ROTJ. Every single change has little or no redeeming value. The new closing music is okay but the glimpse of other planets makes me wonder if Luke tweeted the Emperor's death or something because those celebrations sure came together quickly. Hayden as Anakin's ghosts, Jedi Rocks, "No... Noooooooooo!", they're all retarded.
I think Lucas added Vader saying "No" to connect with the (rather hysterical) "No" from Episode III. But what Lucas doesn't realize is that you don't need Vader to say anything before he grabs he Emperor. When he grabs the Emperor, Vader is already silently saying "No."
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Drunken Jedi Master said:
TK-949 said:
Favorite: removing Matte lines.
Least favorite: everything else.
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If the original version was widely available for public consumption. Most of us wouldn't care so much about the "other version" except for people like me who prefer that some dodgy F/X and wonky mattes are corrected. Plus Mos Eisley seriously needed more buildings/people to fit its description of a "spaceport".
Trekkie313 said:
Mos Eisley seriously needed more buildings/people to fit its description of a "spaceport".
Why? I guess I see a "Spaceport" being the same thing as a "Truck Stop". Some are of course very large, attract heavy traffic and are usually busy with people coming and going. But a lot of em are small, run-down and not very active.
The CG X-Wings at the end of Star Wars blend seamlessly with the rest of the footage, and really improve the pacing of the battle.
My least favorite would have to be that one shot in Mos Eisley where Luke is approaching the stormtroopers in the Landspeeder. The CG dinosaur that walks in front of the camera looks totally fake and unnecessary.
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I love the CGI X-Wings and TIE Fighters. They look far better than the original ones. The droid moving across the screen in the original Mos Eisley was enough. We really don't need a Jurassic Park T-Rex make a cameo in Star Wars.
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The Nerd said:
I love the CGI X-Wings and TIE Fighters. They look far better than the original ones. The droid moving across the screen in the original Mos Eisley was enough. We really don't need a Jurassic Park T-Rex make a cameo in Star Wars.
Sarcasm? They look so obvious in ANH.
Favourite Change: Victory Celebration at the end of ROTJ (the '97 Version without Naboo and Hayden).
Least Favourite Change: Vaders NOOOOOOOOO in ROTJ
Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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Least Favorite: Christensen and "Nooooooooo"
I can't believe people are defending the "livelier" Mos Eisley.
An establishing shot of two weightless cartoon droids slapping each other like Stooges? Cartoon dinosaurs that completely distract from the actual action of the plot? [By dwarfing the Stormtroopers. Now when C-3PO says, "I don't like the looks of this," the only rationale reaction by the viewer is: I guess he is scared of giant dinosaurs.]
I like the dank, dusty look of the original Mos Eisley. It looked like a real dive. After the changes, it now looks like a circus just rolled into town.
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Favourite: X-wings approaching the Death Star in ANH
Also Ran: Stormtroopers and dewback on Tatooine in ANH; extended arrival at Cloud City and Ian McDiarmid with altered dialogue in TESB; extended victory in ROTJ
Least Favourite: "Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival" and subsequent footage of said arrival in TESB
Also Ran: Jabba in ANH
About those Dewbacks ... I'm still wondering: why would the Empire use such slow & clunky animals to perform a tactical planetwide SEARCH & RETRIEVE operation? Furthermore Stormtroopers must get serious spine problems after hours and hours riding a Dewback.
The Special Edition made me think about these questions since that version illustrated the Dewbacks movement.
On the other hand ... High Speed vehicles on a Forest Planet? Hmmmm ... ;-)
Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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