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Jaitea said:

Sorry Muddy,....no burst bubbles, its just at the beginning of your debate you seem to use ROTJ insight

muddyknees2000 said:

I never had a problem with that. I always took that line to mean that, while she WAS using Luke to try and make Han jealous, she was also testing to see if kissing Luke DID in fact feel as wrong as she thought it would. Not so much a kissing of literal siblings, but more of a "Yup, that FELT like kissing my brother". And it was only in hindsight that Leia said to herself "oh THAT'S why it felt like kissing my brother".

 No problem.....

J

That's taken way out of context. That's a discussion about how I view the line in ROTJ, not a discussion about how I view the kissing scene in ESB. Again, wrong film.

Oh yeah,....now I understand

...huh?

J

Jaitea said:

Oh yeah,....now I understand

...huh?

J

 The quote that you're using to try and catch me in a contradiction that I never made was from a discussion about a line in ROTJ. I used ESB to back up something I was saying about ROTJ......NOT the other way around as you're mistakenly insinuating. 

Like I said...now I understand?

Move on

J

Jaitea said:

Like I said...now I understand?

Move on

J

 Yeah, kiddy play time is over. If you can't follow along with discussions that you yourself started then maybe you should just play with your toys while the adults talk and stop wasting everyone's time. You feebly tried to catch me in a contradiction but you were in over your head and now can only offer up childish retorts to try and make it look like I'm jabbering nonsense. 

Apologies to all for this horrible derailment.

Is there really any need for this abuse?

.....get out of bed the wrong side?

Sorry to post on your thread Muddy

J

Actually nothing to do with getting out of bed on the wrong side, Jaitea, and it certainly isn't abuse. You came in and accused him of using ROTJ insight to justify things as he watches ESB, when he did nothing of the sort. In fact, it's only the "eww incest" crowd that do that, as they're watching the ESB kiss with ROTJ knowledge in mind......and taking the "always known" line rather too literally, I might add.

Muddy was justifying the ROTJ line with ROTJ logic. Nowhere is it even implied he is justifying ESB scenes using ROTJ. We can of course refer back to prior events whilst discussing that scene from ROTJ. You pretty much have to when the discussion is revolving around other people making out Leia is an incestuous freak solely due to that "always known" line. Your reasoning just makes no sense, Jaitea.

When the kissing scene has been brought up by both of us, it's only been because we've had to point it out to other people making it an issue based on future knowledge! Exactly what you're accusing muddy of doing, in fact. All he and I have done is just say "no guys, Leia ain't freaky in ESB. She didn't literally KNOW", and as an aside, "there was never any passion in that kiss anyway. It was always kind of awkward, not at all like the one she has with Han later on. The kiss with Luke was clearly to annoy Han all along. This was obvious even back in 1980."

You get the idea.

I was done with this convo, and was just going to leave you blissfully unaware that you'd misunderstood...pretty much everything in this exchange. But then you had the nerve to try and turn it around with the sophistication of an 8 year old child saying "whatever". 

Han should be jealous in ROTJ - it's actually a part of his character arc.  He goes from acting like a tough mother I-don't-care attitude to actually wanting to settle down with a lady and talk about his feelings...

Most guys that act tough do so out of low self-esteem in the first place - he's only showing that he's able to deal with his feelings and take the high road "I won't stand in the way" instead of the typical tough-guy "Meh, I didn't care about you anyway..."

By being jealous, it shows he's matured...  As odd as that sounds...

ray_afraid said:

 I slightly altered your first line, but I don't think I changed your meaning

 lol :)

Something I wanted to give a brief heads up on. In the scene where Han goes to get Leia from the command center in ESB on Hoth there seems to be some radio background sound missing from the special edition that is present in the Gout mix just before cutting to the retreat (next scene).

Is there anywhere a full list of audio differences in the 8mm audio mix?

muddyknees2000 said:

Jaitea said:

Like I said...now I understand?

Move on

J

 Yeah, kiddy play time is over. If you can't follow along with discussions that you yourself started then maybe you should just play with your toys while the adults talk and stop wasting everyone's time. You feebly tried to catch me in a contradiction but you were in over your head and now can only offer up childish retorts to try and make it look like I'm jabbering nonsense. 

Apologies to all for this horrible derailment.

I would be careful about making personal insults outside the off topic area. The moderators take that sort of thing seriously.

I'm not sure where the insult is there.....least of all a personal one. It looked to me more like an observation of his lack of any valid point to make, coupled with the bad attitude when called out on that fact. How is that a personal insult?

oh_riginal said:

brash_stryker said:

I'm not sure where the insult is there.....least of all a personal one. It looked to me more like an observation of his lack of any valid point to make, coupled with the bad attitude when called out on that fact. How is that a personal insult?

 To be honest here, it's one thing when people come into the forum and make suggestions for the edit that are so far from being logical from a technical standpoint that it is just preposterous. At least it is still on topic.

It's something else when people start trying to one-up each other, and then either start being rude as hell, or they start to talk down to each other in an obnoxious, condescending manner. There are quite a few people who are regulars on these forums that do this, and I doubt most of them would ever care to admit it.

I hate to say it, but it happens a bit too often, and I wish it was regulated better. I do enjoy visiting the many threads, especially this one, but there are days when people really go out of their way to show their ugly side. I realize this is not new, being the internet and all, but it's still a shame, regardless.

I hope all this nonsense will just stop, and people can be a bit more mature about how they handle these conversations. If you've read all this, thank you for your time.

I share your frustrations, and I apologise for my part in derailing this thread. 

brash_stryker said:

I'm not sure where the insult is there.....least of all a personal one. It looked to me more like an observation of his lack of any valid point to make, coupled with the bad attitude when called out on that fact. How is that a personal insult?

My warning comes from the numerous references to objects of childhood in relation to his assessment of what was said which could be construed as a personal insult.

There are clear guidelines to this sort of thing which bind all of us.

Real looking Flames / small explosion when Dak gets hit? It is very brief but it sticks out bad, nasty coloration...

Any half decent free youtube explosion would be an improvement on the effect out the window I think... Has it been altered already?

Either image is lacking some of the ambiance necessary for such an explosion even at a distance.

There isn't enough glow, it looks what it is, an explosion composited onto an image with totally different lighting conditions.

Like an orangey sticker on the sky.

The snowflake should not be kissing Chewie's foot, I think we can all agree how disgusting that is.