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moviefreakedmind said:

Also don't forget, the theatrical versions of the 6 Star Trek films were released on blu ray (some of them had never been released except for their director's cut). These movies did not come with the director's cuts, just the original films

Yup. It was the theatrical cut of TMP's first home video release since the vhs/beta/ld days and the first time the theatrical cut of Undiscovered Country (one of my very earliest trips to the movies!) was released on home video at all. That's why I was so supremely dissapointed by how shitty the quality of the transfers were. Glass half-full I guess, since it's still the theatrical cuts in hd, but it was almost like the blu-ray equivalent of the 2006 unaltered Star Wars dvd.

Wrath of Khan looks great, though. It's the only one that got a restoration from the original film elements.

Also, the director's edition of TMP was only rendered at 480p. I was shocked to discover that they'd cheaped out on the cgi, thinking only of a dvd release. Those vfx shots would need to be redone in at least 1080p for a blu-ray release. Even then, they really seemed to have dropped the ball on the blu-ray they did put out. I've seen screenshot comparisons (with footage from various bts making-ofs) showing that they had decent-looking hd transfers of TMP, Search for Spock and Voyage Home before they decided to ruin them with dnr and contrast-boosting. Final Frontier looks similarly botched. With Undiscovered Country they probably only had an old 1080i transfer of the theatrical lying around (there's stair-stepping on the blu-ray transfer), so they probably figured "better safe than sorry" and used that instead of de-specializing the more recently transferred director's cut.

The big difference (aside from everything I just outlined) between this and a hypothetical OOT-only blu-ray is that three out of those six Trek films only ever had one version. In two of the remaining three films, the differences are mainly editorial and don't really affect the footage from the theatrical cuts.

ETA: Yoda-sama beat me to it.

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Not wishing to end the debate but the wikipedia article on RMW (If you choose to trust it) states clearly...

"Recent Film Credits: Star Wars Trilogy – Restoration and 3D Conversion"

Should have checked Wikipedia earlier but that seems fairly conclusively to point towards this being part of the aborted 3D post-convert business. Sad face.

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I should've been more clear, I wasn't commenting on the quality of the blu rays, and by no means was I trying to compare the director's cuts to the Special Editions, I like the director's cuts; I was basically just using it as an example of theatrical movies being released on their own without other versions

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Not wishing to end the debate but the wikipedia article on RMW (If you choose to trust it) states clearly...

"Recent Film Credits: Star Wars Trilogy – Restoration and 3D Conversion"

Should have checked Wikipedia earlier but that seems fairly conclusively to point towards this being part of the aborted 3D post-convert business. Sad face.

That was already the only logical answer, considering when it was done. The question now is what Disney is going to do with it; whether to go through with the 3D release, use the materials for an OUT Blu-ray, or do nothing.

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Would an OUT blu ray be something they would announce at Comic con?

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moviefreakedmind said:

Would an OUT blu ray be something they would announce at Comic con?

That would make sense to me. Wasn't SW77 first announced at a convention of some sort?

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AntcuFaalb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Would an OUT blu ray be something they would announce at Comic con?

That would make sense to me. Wasn't SW77 first announced at a convention of some sort?

 The distant past aside, it's the sort of thing that gets announced at ComicCon these days.

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timdiggerm said:

AntcuFaalb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Would an OUT blu ray be something they would announce at Comic con?

That would make sense to me. Wasn't SW77 first announced at a convention of some sort?

 The distant past aside, it's the sort of thing that gets announced at ComicCon these days.

Yep, I don't see why Disney wouldn't choose ComicCon to announce an OUT BD release.

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Please do not get your hopes up that this will happen.

The climax of the Con is more likely to be the keynote speaker announcing that Adam from Girls will indeed go shirtless in Episode VII!!!!!!!

Edit: For a little perspective, look at this note regarding the mono soundtrack included in the new Criterion release of A Hard Day's Night.  For a real restoration/recreation of the OT, this same painstaking process would need to be done not just for the soundtrack, but for the entire film and optical effects.  There's no way anyone is doing this in the throes of EPISODE VII hyperventilation:

In consultation with Lester, the monaural soundtrack was restored from digitally archived optical elements. These sources included fragments of surviving productions stems and the print master that yielded much of the dialogue and effects material for the new 5.1 surround mix. This restoration would not have been possible without the generous contributions of archivists and engineers who evaluated a vast range of surviving audio elements in Hollywood, Abbey Road Studios, at the BFI and in Lester’s personal collection. Most of the digital transfers of these elements were done at the NT Audio Video Film Labs in Santa Monica, California. Unfortunately, the most complete sources were unusably overmodulated, and the cleaner sources were incomplete. By combining different elements of similar character, a new master was carefully reconstructed. As some sources exhibited dramatically different tonal character and even alternate effect mixes, Lester’s participation was critical in determining which version was the correct one. The track was assembled and synchronized with the new video master in Pro Tools Hd. Chronic overmodulation, with resultant distortion and sibilance, was gently mitigated, and hum not common to all sources was attenuated. Dropouts and other indications of decay were repaired on a case-by-case basis, taking care to preserve the documentary character of the film.

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Darth Id said:

Please do not get your hopes up that this will happen.

The climax of the Con is more likely to be the keynote speaker announcing that Adam from Girls will indeed go shirtless in Episode VII!!!!!!!

Edit: For a little perspective, look at this note regarding the mono soundtrack included in the new Criterion release of A Hard Day's Night.  For a real restoration/recreation of the OT, this same painstaking process would need to be done not just for the soundtrack, but for the entire film and optical effects.  There's no way anyone is doing this in the throes of EPISODE VII hyperventilation

I don't see why a separate team couldn't do it.

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They're not even doing an Episode VII panel this year, the most obvious reason being they've still got another comic con to go before it hits theaters.

They are doing one for Rebels, though. I'm sure other Star Wars related news will come up.

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Well, hiring another team to restore the movies wouldn't increase the workload of the folks responsible for Episode VII, so that is a possibility.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Would an OUT blu ray be something they would announce at Comic con?

 I almost forgot about that. Most of the people who would go to comic con would get a real kick out of hearing that the OUT was on it's way. I guess if the OUT is on Disney's agenda then they could announce it then

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gizzy2000 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Would an OUT blu ray be something they would announce at Comic con?

 I almost forgot about that. Most of the people who would go to comic con would get a real kick out of hearing that the OUT was on it's way. I guess if the OUT is on Disney's agenda then they could announce it then

Well, we already heard rumblings earlier this year of a digital release coming this Fall. So, I wouldn't be surprised if they make an unexpected announcement about that.

At this point I wouldn't rule anything out, especially after reading about all this RMW business.

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I forgot about that digital release. When I first heard about that I assumed it would be the special editions. I still think they would be the SE's but who knows. I just think that the OUT would be released on disc. I hope they are at least; I don't like paying full price just for a digital download, but I guess a digital release of the OOT would be better than nothing at all

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doubleofive said:

Accent, maybe. Exact same voice? No.

 But... he's a clone.

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I just remembered, we first got a glimpse of the cgi Yoda replacement of CPY in the supplemental material for the RotS dvd and it was another six years before we saw that version of TPM officially released.

From what these RMW resumés are saying, this 4k master could've been done years ago.

All I'm saying is that stranger things have indeed happened.

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Fang Zei said:

I just remembered, we first got a glimpse of the cgi Yoda replacement of CPY in the supplemental material for the RotS dvd and it was another six years before we saw that version of TPM officially released.

From what these RMW resumés are saying, this 4k master could've been done years ago.

All I'm saying is that stranger things have indeed happened.

 I think earlier in the thread someone shared a link to a resume that indicated this RMW project started back in late 2010

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It has to be the old work, and the samples likely from the higher generation of files closer to the straight '97 scan with some revision. The alluded to 20 Bond films at 4K is also wrong (only 10 were 4K, the rest scrubbed video masters) and the shot of Goldfinger is not from the Lowry edition.

Glad to see one of us got to Atlanta for the screening (haven't been to that theater in ages), sad to hear the BD has hit the DCP rounds.

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IF these ever happen, I could see it being announced at next years Con...or possibly NYCC this fall. Maybe...

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I think that this 4k thing was something created for the 3D release, and now that that's cancelled maybe Disney is using it for this new digital release this year just to get some money out of it.

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yoda-sama said:

Actually, about Jango and Boba, in the PT did we ever really hear Jango talk with his mask on?

 Not that it matters, but yes, we did.  The first time we see him, in fact, talking to Zam about the poisonous whatevers that he gives to her.

He also says something to Boba right before attacking Obi-Wan on Kamino.