Tobar said:
doubleofive said:
My friends have a great interview up with the writers of Star Tr3k. Check it out!
http://trek-fm.squarespace.com/commentary-trek-stars/87I think I pulled a muscle from cringing when Mike said Trek 09 was the best Star Trek movie of all time.
Hello,
This is Mike from Commentary: Trek Stars. doubleofive just alerted me to this thread. Just wanted to say thanks for listening!
DrCrowTStarwars said:
Tobar said:
doubleofive said:
My friends have a great interview up with the writers of Star Tr3k. Check it out!
http://trek-fm.squarespace.com/commentary-trek-stars/87I think I pulled a muscle from cringing when Mike said Trek 09 was the best Star Trek movie of all time.
So had this guy seen ever seen any Star trek before? Star Trek 09 was a good big dumb summer action movie but Star Trek is about being more then big dumb summer action and given the choice between the last two movies and another season of Enterprise run by Manny Coto I'd choose another season of Enterprise and I hated Enterprise when it came on but it really turned around and in that last year felt more like Star trek then the last two movies. Heck I like season four Archer of all people more then the spoiled brat they are trying pass off as Kirk these days.
Even as a Star Trek action movie both of those films just lift directly from Wrath of Khan which was a much better film,has this guy even seen Wrath of Khan?
I am going into a full blown fan boy freak out here.
Yeah, I'd seen all 729 episodes of Trek before 09 came out. I would agree that ST09 is good and big, but I don't think it's dumb. I actually think that it's very intelligently made. I think that perhaps a lot of people are blinded by the spectacle and fail to see that Abrams and company are telling a story on par with the best in the franchise, just in a different way. Just my opinon, though.
Welcome to the forum! =)
So does that mean Nemesis is among the best of the franchise? Trek 09 was basically just a rehash of the last Trek film that had come out with a layer of stomping on continuity thrown on top with a sprinkling of style. Though it was well paced.
Yeah that is how I have always seen it.
Star Trek09 is just STN with a fast car and lots of lens flare that keeps you from being able to see what is happening on screen.
Tobar said:
Welcome to the forum! =)
So does that mean Nemesis is among the best of the franchise? Trek 09 was basically just a rehash of the last Trek film that had come out with a layer of stomping on continuity thrown on top with a sprinkling of style. Though it was well paced.
The difference between Trek 09 and Nemesis was that the "Romulan" villains were the primary focus, whereas in 09 the Romulan villains were not the focus of the film. Both sets of villains fail at being compelling characters, and fail at being an insurmountable threat to the heroes. But since the 09 film is focused on being an origin story for an entirely new parallel universe, the baddie doesn't matter that much. It ends on an uplifting note of exploration and new beginnings, in contrast to Nemesis, which ends with Picard killing everyone in the forward decks of his ship and murdering a terminally ill young man while Data sacrifices himself in the process (which needn't have happened if Picard had thought to take the portable transporter with him in the first place). There's no lesson to be learned, no sense of excitement or accomplishment. It's just depressing.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
I think this list does an excellent job of breaking down the nonsense that is Trek 09.
Tobar said:
I think this list does an excellent job of breaking down the nonsense that is Trek 09.
I'm not defending the logic of Trek 09, and end of STID did reduce the franchise back to Nemesis levels of suck, but for a brief time Star Trek FELT like Star Trek. Just give me the opening scenes of both new Trek movies and jettison the rest into the sun.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
I read that list a few months back, and it was more than enough to convince me that Abramstrek was an abortion not worth bothering with.
Hopefully they reboot the franchise again and get it right this time around.
DuracellEnergizer said:
I read that list a few months back, and it was more than enough to convince me that Abramstrek was an abortion not worth bothering with.
Hopefully they reboot the franchise again and get it right this time around.
Do you ever think before you make these posts? You've begun to sound like generalfrevious. Am I just missing that hyperbole is your schtick or something? Because this has started to bug me, a lot.
A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em
What it comes down to is that Abrams has a philosophy that is based around style over substance. Damn logic if it gets in the way of a good action sequence. It's highlighted by his whole mystery box philosophy, where what's inside the box doesn't matter but the sense of mystery itself is.
Basically there are no answers to the mysteries he presents because there never were any to begin with. It's mystery for the sake of mystery. What is the point if there is no answer? It's what ruined LOST. The show was never building up to anything, it was only concerned with keeping the viewer guessing. So when it finally did end it was a spectacular disappoint to almost everyone.
And I think Abrams lack of respect for storytelling is most telling in the people he has writing for him. Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof are some of the worst screenwriters working today. They don't give a damn about telling a good story, they just want to create a framework to film something "exciting." They don't care if it doesn't make sense as long as it'll look great on the screen.
At first I was excited by Abrams directing VII because his usual cabal of writers didn't come with him. Instead it was the brilliant writer Michael Arndt. But then Arndt was removed and Abrams changed the focus of the film toward the original cast. At least that's what we've been lead to believe thus far. Right now my only real hope is in Kasdan.
Yes! Thank you,that was so well said.
Whenever I say that I am worried that the new Star Wars movies could be worse then the prequels everyone looks at me like I am crazy.
At last someone else who gets it!
Well, I think it's almost impossible for anything to be worse than the prequels. At the very least the Sequel Trilogy will be entertaining on some kind of level.
Yeah i guess but I am still worried it will be just as stupid. it will just be stupid in a different way. Still maybe Disney and a good writer reign Abrams in and we will get something good.
Fingers crossed.
Tobar said:
Welcome to the forum! =)
So does that mean Nemesis is among the best of the franchise? Trek 09 was basically just a rehash of the last Trek film that had come out with a layer of stomping on continuity thrown on top with a sprinkling of style. Though it was well paced.
Thanks! I don't think that Nemesis is among the franchise's best, but I also don't see the similarities it has to ST09. Aside from a few very surface-level things, they're completely different movies.
bkev said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
I read that list a few months back, and it was more than enough to convince me that Abramstrek was an abortion not worth bothering with.
Hopefully they reboot the franchise again and get it right this time around.
Do you ever think before you make these posts? You've begun to sound like generalfrevious. Am I just missing that hyperbole is your schtick or something? Because this has started to bug me, a lot.
In hindsight, I should have gone with "miscarriage", but I didn't think of it at the time.
Regardless, I consider Abramstrek a gross misinterpretation of the series and I have absolutely no interest in watching those movies or any future entries in the franchise which build upon those movies.
DuracellEnergizer said:
bkev said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
I read that list a few months back, and it was more than enough to convince me that Abramstrek was an abortion not worth bothering with.
Hopefully they reboot the franchise again and get it right this time around.
Do you ever think before you make these posts? You've begun to sound like generalfrevious. Am I just missing that hyperbole is your schtick or something? Because this has started to bug me, a lot.
In hindsight, I should have gone with "miscarriage", but I didn't think of it at the time.
No, you shouldn't have.
No, I suppose not.
Still, I feel nothing but comptempt for Abramstrek -- I find it ugly, stupid, and completely wrongheaded, and I'm not going to use any language which fails to completely convey that.
Tobar said:
I think this list does an excellent job of breaking down the nonsense that is Trek 09.
Yes, those are probably the 15 worst problems, but still they're not the ONLY problems :)
FWIW, 'miscarriage' is normally an acceptable term when referring to things going horribly as they are not supposed to, such as a miscarriage of justice. Following the term 'abortion' makes it sound far stronger, but it is acceptable. On the other hand, I am tired of overly dramatic imagery, so I'm okay with DuracellEnergizer not using those terms, just like I'm okay with folks around here NOT saying that George Lucas raped the Star Wars franchise.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool...
It turns out Porthos is my favourite character on Enterprise. And I'm a cat person.
God i hope the idea that Orci might direct the new movie is a really late and extremely trollish April fool's joke.
Although firing Orci as the writer might not work if they bring in someone else who is just as bad. They did it with the last 2 bayformers movies Roberto Orci did not write those and they still were awful.
Not that Orci and Kurtzmen invented bad trek writing there has been bad writing alongside good writing since the original series, the movies TNG and its spinoffs not all is universally good writing just because Abrams had no hand in it.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
I am willing to give anyone else a shot and I have no interest in seeing any other Star Trek he writes.
It was always hard for me to believe that any of the Transformers movies had a script. Now that I see they were written by Orci & Shortman, I start to see a strangely familiar "pattern"
Yeah there is no bigger turn off for me then seeing their names credited as writers in an add for a movie.
Hollywood is a actors and directors world.
I never imagined there'd be a writer with such a perfectly consistent pattern of crap that I'd learn to avoid.