Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist — Page 343

Reegar said:

Ronster said:

 

Reegar said:
If you're going to recycle the Death Star anyway, I don't know how planet destruction is one too far.

To blow up a whole planet to put to rest a Lambda Shuttle full of rebels is stupid

The Gas giant Endor has no strategic value and really cannot be given one.

So I'm calling for more Rebel capital ships to bite the dust. It's the only way of showing the terror of the deathstar slowly destroying the Rebels and they must stop it before it destroys them all.

 

I was speaking in general.

timdiggerm said:

1. Lando shows up in the Falcon and blows up the barge

 Yes... Yeeeesssssss....can it be done?

That it would even if it would be a call back to Han coming to the rescue of Luke in ANH. You could make a virtue of it by having the Falcon come out of the suns.

Maybe with some jiggery-pookery the shots on the barge etc could be kept but Lando could be removed.

It would set up Lando for being killed at the end well too... what did I say?

We have already had a video mock-up of the scenes without Boba maybe we can have the same sans Lando.

I thought I would link this bit of this thread here.

Tried to edit lukes rescue in Empire strikes back to retain the shuttle flying to the executor. It's a rough mock up and the music needs smoothing out where I made the cut or perhaps extending the final note after bring my shuttle into luke hanging of the bottom of cloud city.

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/kebue2aobu39s2r/shuttle_edit_V2.wmv

I really don't like any of the special editions footage in this section apart from this shot of the shuttle flying to the executor. I see it as like a game of chess and the pieces moving around the board so I wanted to retain this scene. I am trying to find the marriage between the original and the special edition with this but I will admit that it needs work but I shared it because I wanted to share the idea of a different way of looking at it. This goes a bit of a way to suggesting a passage of time between the falcon flying off and returning to cloud city so let us know what you think of the general idea and re-arrangement. It's my first attempt at trying to find a middle ground between special edition and the original for this scene.

And yes I would also be thinking of adding tie fighters destroying cloud cars once the gap was established and the break in the footage was smooth. I would use the celebration footage from ROTJ to show a cloud car being taken down by a tie fighter in this section also coming before the shuttle flying towrds the executor but I don't have the skills for that. Why? because tie fighters don't feel dangerous in Empire Strikes back so if we saw them blowing up a cloud car we could associate them with a threat to the falcon finally. It would also add a further passage of time between the falcon turning back and returning. I think they fly away from cloud city for like 3 minutes and are back in 10 seconds.

There is also the possibility of Vader walking to the shuttle being retained with the line "Bring My Shuttle" although I am not so bothered about it being cut but I am trying to figure out a restructuring of the sequence that helps ease the passage of time of the falcon making it's way back in longer than 10 seconds. There is also the missing scene that nags me about Vader actually spotting the falcon in the distance returning to cloud city as per the script so this all could be possible if a break in the score was established after Luke is left hanging in the blustering wind. In conclusion I feel that an expansion at this point would add a lot to making the passage of time all the more plausible of the falcon returning but as you can see I am only an ideas man and lack the proper skills to pull it off 100% but I think I found a good premise on a new structure for rescuing luke and making the falcons trip back a little more easy to swallow. Even showing shots of the falcon racing through the skies of Bespin back to cloud city would be a good choice of intercutting but this would need music of which there currently is none.

Empire strikes back.

Should the probe droid hit another planet entirely? And then we get to see Luke spot the probe that lands on Hoth of which he thinks is a meteroite.

Although I liked an edit by Davnes who is an active member here on OT.com I felt that doing it the way that Davnes did it (Davnes had one probe only and Luke see's it land but we see the pre cursor of it entering the atmosphere) messes with the music so I personally would opt for another planet and then cut to luke riding taun taun across the icy plains of Hoth.


I did these mock ups a while back so here is a rough idea of what I had in mind

Would it make the universe feel bigger? Is it better to not see the same probe crash twice? Does it feel a bit too lucky and should we see some of the failed search rather than joining the empires search straight to success and experience it twice? was it like this because of Budget restraints? I hope this sparlks a bit of discussion...

I never felt that it was the same probe crashing twice. Planets are big things, and that probe is never shown moving very fast...would make sense to land more than one to scan an entire planet.

I Think muddy has a good point but it's clearly the same impact shown twice which is what stops it feeling like a different probe crashing.

And although this is a bit of a radical idea i don't feel it is confusing
when you watch the movie casino you don't need to see a picture of the planet eartht to know that is set on earth. So you would simply be fading through two very different landscapes. Although as Tim said the viewer may struggle to interpret the shift between planets the reveal of Hoth would come a lot later better conveying the rebels hiding and the empire not knowing where they are. as it is now it feels like they find them straight off the bat and does little to convey that they really "don't know" a bit forced if you like.

What I am trying to say is that revealing the external view of the planet the rebels are hiding on at the start does not help hold any mystery from the viewer of the films stand point and I think it does not work all that well in allowing the viewer to partake in the discovery of the secret base as events unfold.

Angway it is only an edit idea.

Yes all very interesting mac to see different points of view...

I have a question and I would hope someone might know the answer.

At what point was the opening changed? The opening shot was meant to be Luke on the taun taun and the opening crawl over the icy landscape..

So the plan was not to reveal planet hoth until later but they changed their minds..For better or worse. But was it changed after shooting actors had wrapped?

Apparently it is from the 3rd draft of script, but did'nt a scriptwriter also die during production?

So when was 3rd draft I guess it was pre production?

Ok done a bit of investigation it was pre-production. I also checked the Kasdan shooting script and the script only mentions a single probe that lands on hoth. So It's quite a curiosity from script to screen also.

Yeah, it's a strange one, I don't mind it as a couple of probes on the planet......after thinking more about it...would it be cool if the probe container that approaches Hoth splinters and fires off half a dozen probes to investigate the planet.....that would settle my question when viewing the film

J

I think far more vital to understanding would be the opening shot when the probes fire off from the ship.  They are clearly not travelling at any substantial speed, yet it appears as if the probe in question just happens to be right next to Hoth.  As a child, I thought the star destroyer was already in the Hoth system as it released its probes.  I think it would be nice to see the probes jump to lightspeed, then the one we care about decelerate and land on Hoth.  Just my thought.

The probes are dispatched in a variety of directions,...the last one is shot down lower and the camera pans down to follow it. After a cut the probe appears from behind our camera and heads out into open space. After the next cut the probe does exactly the same move from behind the camera except this time Hoth fills 3/4 of the frame....as the probe falls into the planet

J

The script says the star destroyer is in the hoth system.....

I always thought it was far away... Hope that clears it up for you. What do you think?

Ronster said:

The script says the star destroyer is in the hoth system.....

I always thought it was far away... Hope that clears it up for you. What do you think?

 In the film Vader orders a course be set for the Hoth system, implying they are nowhere near it.

Yeah but Vader was on the Executor.....

J

...which is traveling with the fleet until it breaks up, mid-film. No?

I'm with you on the thought that the probe travelled a good distance before finding Hoth....& the Destroyer that launched it, but the Destroyer looked alone out there whereas Vader was in a fleet, so I recon that the Destroyer that was sending the probes was jumping from system to system on its mission while The Executor in the fleet was monitoring any feedback

J

I always felt the star destroyer at the beginning was by itself as a lone searcher and later the fleet grouped up to deploy but I never thought it was very close. Perhaps a system of planets can be huge and we are right to perceive it is nowhere near the 6th planet of hoth system

Could be, I've never really examined that part of the film that closely...only made assumptions.....which have always worked for me.