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adywan said:

I've been pretty busy lately so haven't had the chance to go through and read and reply to all the comments. Hopefully i will be able to shortly.

Always look forward to seeing your answers here. 

As well as some of the thoughts brought up about your recent 'canyon' clip, I'm hopeful that you'll also be able to cover some of the points raised about your 10 mins. long 'Bespin' preview that you first linked to on page 1196, too.  There were quite a few things brought up about that one afterwards at the time.

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I'm not understanding the shake hate. In the original, everyone on the bridge throws themselves around while nothing else moves. It doesn't look right.

http://i.imgur.com/e8Aw6h6.gif

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doubleofive said:

I'm not understanding the shake hate. In the original, everyone on the bridge throws themselves around while nothing else moves. It doesn't look right.

http://i.imgur.com/e8Aw6h6.gif

 I don't think there's a hate for the shake, at least I certainly don't. There obviously needs to be something. For some though I believe it mostly has to do with what the shake portrays, which in this case it shows one Star Destroyer very foolishly bumping into another. Instead, maybe it'd work better to have a different style of camera shake, a one direction tilt of the camera (perhaps very similar to what's seen in that Star Trek clip you posted) which portrays that the imperials are falling because the ship is suddenly tilting ("take evasive action!") to avoid the other (as seen from the subsequent underbelly shot). The perspective of the other Star Destroyer seen outside the windows should change also if a drastic tilt is implied. So i guess the question for some is: should the imperials be portrayed as complete morons or as more competent risk-takers?

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That is an amazing image. Are there any others like that from Trek?

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It's like everyone got hammered on the bridge kirk looks like he is vomiting on sulus chair.

People may need to be reminded how bad the one in ESB is as you have all but one person throwing themselves about. This one guy just stood there looking at the others thinking well I'm not doing that it's stupid. Thank's for getting rid of the party pooper

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The camera shake is one of my favorite new additions in the clip, this has always been one of my favorite scenes and this makes it better. I guess I never thought the Star Destroyers actually hit, it doesn't look like they were close enough from the far away view. I always assumed they were bumping up against each others shields or something.

But I don't think the officers fell due to the ship banking, they fall in different directions and one of the officers rushes to the window to see if there was actual contact with the other ship.

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I repeat my suggestion that some physical effects be added to the pre-shook footage to make the shake feel more real.

If Ady can build a flap to match the model to the back view out of the snowspeeder window, building a wall locker door to shake open or some minor objects to fly off surfaces are doables.

Not that I want to knock back the release date further or anything.

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The SOUND of that sequence of the Star Destroyers on collision was ALWAYS missing something.  I think Ady gave the scene exactly the correct image to go with the sound we have heard for decades.

I say BRAVO on the shake.   I ALWAYS wondered why the sound never matched the image on screen.  

Now it does.

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Bingowings said:

I repeat my suggestion that some physical effects be added to the pre-shook footage to make the shake feel more real.

If Ady can build a flap to match the model to the back view out of the snowspeeder window, building a wall locker door to shake open or some minor objects to fly off surfaces are doables.

 I agree with this.

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What generally characterises Adywan's work is that more often than not you might not even know it's been changed e.g. What! The Falcon's headlights didn't light up the tunnel before... wow??? But I think the shake was TOO noticeable IMO. Then again the original static footage looks wrong now too LOL. I suggest the same sort of shake but less of it maybe?

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^ 1000 cool points for that reference. "Lovely stuff"

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The shake is perfect.  Seeing it without the shake looks rather silly now.

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Did the echo base hanger get finished?

Not asking for media but this miniature i was impressed with what I saw of it. Just wondering if it was finished and filmed?

Happy for some stuff to remain as a surprise is what i am saying.

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This may be slightly off-topic, but I was just watching Mark Hamill's interview at Star Wars Weekend and at one point they showed a fake deleted scene from Empire that struck me as familiar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzvQmtC34ao

(It starts around 35:50)

Didn't Adywan do the exact same thing as an April Fool's Joke for ESB? I'm not saying they used his clip (I thought Adywan's was shorter, though I'm not entirely sure) but maybe they were inspired by it?

Probably just a coincidence, but who knows.

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I had an idea today about an extra shot for the new shield generator model that has been made and it came about because of this shot what the probe droid see's and transmits.

So I noticed that the turret is pictured on the right as protection for the shield generator. This is perhaps a detail that should be taken note of for all other shots containing the shield generator. But it gave me an idea to modiffy this shot.

I'm not sure about this idea of putting the shield generator there but I think it really set's the scene up for what they are trying to protect from the empire destroying and it's a way of adding more depth in an already great shot that has been already tweaked ever so well. But if the shield generator was also added it may go beyond what it already is at the moment and make it even more of an iconic moment.

The reason I'm not sure about the idea is because my awareness of how the battlefield is plotted is a mess because the movie is a mess in terms of where the shield generator is so I am not sure if it would even be correct that they would fly over this into battle. The terrain appears inconsistent throughout the shield generator views from probe droid to battle and eventual destruction so that's also something that needs looking at for the generator shots in terms of continuity also I guess.

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My memory is a bit fuzzy these days but isn't the generator visible from some of the rebel trench shots? In which case that could be the same turret seen when the speeders fly towards the approaching Imperials and it would mean the reactor was very heavily defended.

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Yes the generator can be seen from the trenches and you have summed up my thoughts perfectly. But it depends on how many trenches there are.... Some trench shots show the generator far off to the rebel troops left on a arge expanse of ice with a cliff face to the rear or left side.

So you got it make the shield generator look heavily defended but the mountains are wrong if that was done i guess so it's not as easy an idea as i thought initially. But we know that it's all a bit random shots in the film so perhaps this is a good idea in one way perhaps bad in others

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INVAR said:

The SOUND of that sequence of the Star Destroyers on collision was ALWAYS missing something.  I think Ady gave the scene exactly the correct image to go with the sound we have heard for decades.

I say BRAVO on the shake.   I ALWAYS wondered why the sound never matched the image on screen.  

Now it does.

 Agreed.

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I always liked the look of a turret near the generator....it WOULD be something they'd want to protect quite closely.

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Something I have thought about for a while in the new shot of the binoculars looking at the AT-AT and is also evident in veers view screen of the new shield generator and the probe droid transmission also perhaps. The image looks too sharp and needs a lot of softening and blurring.

Here is the original shot.



So I was thinking well the shot has to be made with all the detail that needs to be there so you have not done anything wrong at all. But I was trying to think of a way to emulate the same effect that we get in the film so heres the idea.

Record the shot to a VHS Tape and if it's not soft enough then record it again either from VHS to VHS or record on the same piece of tape until it degrades. Then re-capture the footage back digitally from the degraded source.

I know this may sound a bit ridiculous but I think it could achieve a really interesting retro effect for veers viewscreen and the binoculars shot. Obviously the text and readouts are being added afterwards digitally and would not need to go through this process if attempted this way. But I thought I would say this idea of trying to physically degrade these shots imparticular rather than try to do it digitally. perhaps even going as far as to not ad interference digitally but to partially ruin the tape by physical smudging also. I said it was off the wall did I not :) or just soften and add interference digitally in post recapture.

My question about this idea is would it work to achieve the similar effect in the shots that are in the original films?

There would obviously be loss of resolution but that is perhaps what it needs? And there is the case of also perhaps setting it up in a different aspect ratio to try to retain more resolution if needed being in 720p. But I thought I would share this one and wondered if it would work?

Was the original shots filmed off of a crt monitor? and is perhaps a better way of getting that degradation rather than recapturing as then you will effectively be bouncing the resolution down but refilming it off a monitor in HD.

Whilst talking about Hoth I wanted to regurgitate a mock up from Mithradir from way back as many people have brought up about this shot and not liking it and I have to agree there is something not right with it and Mithradir's take on it I thought was really good he also mention about making the glass more visible and perhaps silhouettes inside. The cockpit glass is completely incorrect you can compare the grainy view from the binoculars and this and see the silhouettes in the binoculars shot and nothing on the high detail close up..

One thing for sure it is badly lit and under the cockpit ridge. so I edited perhaps something like this?