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WOW!...again. :) 

You're certainly spoiling us at the moment adywan, as it seems like only the other day that we got the previous terrific clip of 'Bespin' too - I'm hoping you've had a chance to consider some of the thoughts about that one in my two long posts on page 1200, by the way.

As far as this latest clip goes, these were some of the worst effects shots that I hoped could be improved a little when you started ESB:R...but never in a million years would I have guessed that you'd eventually build your own 'canyon' miniature for a total re-shoot, which would come to dominate your wife's kitchen for too long!

Well, it was absolutely worth all the effort and inconvenience it must have caused you at the time, as these few seconds of footage are fabulous...as are all your other tweaks in the overall clip.

It's interesting to see all the totally new TIE *flightpaths* right from the start of the clip, for most of the shots involving them...and they are definitely all for the better, no matter how subtle some of the changes are.

As far as the 'canyon' shots themselves, I was going to say that I would have preferred the 'Falcon passing sideways towards us' shot (just after the TIEs exploded) to have shown the Falcon passing *closer* to our viewpoint, so that it was a little more like the original shot...but then you actually did that anyway in your tweaked 2nd version soon after!! :)

The 'rocky' detail of your 'canyon' walls look wonderful throughout, and match the look of things before and afterwards perfectly...and the composition of your first new shot especially (where the Falcon enters it and comes towards us with the TIEs behind it) is just marvellous.

Just a couple of thoughts as far as the other little tweaks you made afterwards...I was already very satisfied with the look of your TIE collision in your original clip, so no worries either way as it's just a subtle difference in speed either way...but I absolutely loved seeing the brief flashes of the Falcon's reddish/'rust' panels in it's close-ups in your 1st version...and was sorry to see them toned down to almost no colour in your 2nd version.  Personally, I preferred to see the Falcon's reddish panels in the shots where it closely passed our viewpoint, as you originally had them.

However, this sequence is definitely some of your best work yet as far as I'm concerned, so I'm glad you chose to put so much time and effort into it!  :)

i really love 90% of the canyon scene, but I do have one issue with it.

In the original, the camera following the MF in the second shot does a bit of a turn and rotates slightly, mirroring the path of the Falcon, like the camera swoops ever so slightly. This helps create dynamic tension. Your shot is a steady track forward. Even though the camera moves at the same speed, the dynamic motion is missing, and so it feels "slower."

I know it's probably too late to re-film it, but I would always regret not telling you in case there was a chance to tweak it.

Keep up the great work, Ady!

The Man, The Boy, and His Donkey

I personally like the second version too, but you know what?  If it's slower, I'll still be incredibly happy and impressed with the outcome.  I care very little which is the final version.

I am appreciative of those that point out little errors here and there, but there comes a point where there are just so many nitpicks and complaints and diverse opinions over minutiae that I tire of it.  Adywan, do it the way you like it, and don't worry about majority vote or slight imperfections.  Long after you've released your version, the Ronsters of the world will still find editing errors and inconsistencies that no one had ever noticed or cared about before, and surely someone will then think that it's essential to have it fixed and they will never survive another viewing of the film without being driven up the wall for that little problem.  It will never be perfect.  Just accept what is good enough and what you love, and I know we will all love it as well.  Thanks for all you do.

PS No offense to Ronster, whom I like very much.  I'm just teasing.

asterisk8 said:

 This helps create dynamic tension.

 I'm a muscle fan.

darth_ender said:

Ronsters of the world will still find editing errors and inconsistencies that no one had ever noticed or cared about before, and surely someone will then think that it's essential to have it fixed and they will never survive another viewing of the film without being driven up the wall for that little problem.  It will never be perfect.  Just accept what is good enough and what you love, and I know we will all love it as well.  Thanks for all you do.

PS No offense to Ronster, whom I like very much.  I'm just teasing.

 No editing errors found!

Really great clip, yes I can get used to it being like that in the future. Great work. Needs to be watched in full screen as I missed the tie fighter Debris and that looks great also. That rock at the bottom looks great sort of 3d effect similar to the weather vane going on with the shot works ever so well.

I like first version better of tie fighters but like the second clip also with closer fly by so I don't know if you are going to tinker about a bit more but yeah they are both really good.

The second version of the clip is seamless. 

fishmanlee said:

Just curious, why was the new canyon needed again (it looks great BTW)? I missed the explanation of what were the problems in the original shot that are being fixed? continuity errors? or just adding things for heightened realism? (dirt from the TIE lasers etc?)

fishmanlee, while the overall 'canyon' sequence itself has a great momentum to it, the effects are very shoddy-looking in the original movie (and Spec. Edit. still) at that point, compared to the rest of the shots before and afterwards.

Here's a more detailed look at some of the reasons, which you may have missed - http://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2013/11/17/canyon-walls/

Seeing the clip of the canyon made me think that you are thinking about post converting this into Stereoscopic 3D? Or that it is being considered or that you will recruit somone or do this yourself at a later time?

I am not pining for a 3D conversion let me be clear about that but it seems like the elements are in place to really do this with your version more so than the original or special edition. Anyway I don't have a 3D TV but i plan to get one in the future at some point.

fantastic job Ady !

the canyon clip forced me to post again here after a brief appearance I did months ago, despite I´m reading the forums almost everyday :-)

Can´t stop watching the clip again and again and being amazed after every single new detail I notice here and there.

Just for the record, I prefer the first version over the 2nd one. No matter wether the 2nd is more faithful to the original version; the TIE´s crash feel much more "natural" at the "slower" speed. In additon I do prefer the first colour pallette (and the MF red markings) better as well.

this is your work and you´re the decision maker. 100% consensus is impossible to reach !

thanks again for your dedication !

The canyon clip is great!!  While I don't have any knowledge regarding frames and/or speed - this came out very nice.

Minor issue (milage may vary)  I noticed while rewatching the clip:

During the part where Han says "I'm going in closer to one of the big ones", we see an outside shot of what is presumably the 'big one' in question.  However it seems to be approaching the Falcon at a speed indicative of something much smaller. I would suggest having it completely static, while the rest of the scenery moves around as normal, to convey size.

metalmunki said:

During the part where Han says "I'm going in closer to one of the big ones", we see an outside shot of what is presumably the 'big one' in question.  However it seems to be approaching the Falcon at a speed indicative of something much smaller. I would suggest having it completely static, while the rest of the scenery moves around as normal, to convey size.

 That is something that has always bothered me as well, and that is an excellent suggestion for fixing the issue. Even if it stays more stationary in that one shot, and the Falcon is shown reaching it in the next there is always the logical assumption of tiny jumps in time....something films do all over the place, and something that the SW films are definitely full of.

Finally had a chance to watch the new clip, absolutely fantastic!

Your work is stunning on every level. The final product will be unbelievable!

Hi Adywan,

I´m a young hobby writer/filmmaker from germany and í´m using after effects also, for some years now.

I think your stuff with the canyon scene is very well done, but I do have two little complaints anyway.

1. When the two star destroyers almost fly or drive into each other, there is the shot from the bridge room and you added this CAMERA SHAKE!!! Well, I have to say everything else doesn´t catch my eye in a bad way, because it´s done just right, but every time a young self-moviemaker or a young design or effects student is doing something with action and stuff, they always add those silly camera shakes, that never ever look real or good. I spot how you did it and possible with which plugin or effect or software. Please re-think this one, it makes the rest look cheaper than it is.

2. The hits of the laser and the spit of dust element, I belive from the action essentials pack. Nice idea for sure, BUT: We are in space und the dust elements are moving down too fast. There is no gravity or very little. The dust shoots out at a certain angle and it should either move up a bit or expand on the spot, but not move down so fast. Can you just turn the footage around or tweak it some other way???

Thanks so far for the great job you are doing and your motivation to keep going...

Möge die Macht mit dir sein :)

Welcome aboard Darth Venom, it's always interesting to see the different point-of-views on certain aspects. 

For myself, I thought the 'camera shake' effect inside the Stardestroyer bridge was a really neat addition, and effectively done.  While it's a new and visually-'stylistic' look to the shot, I definitely like what it adds to the scene. 

And while I came across a similar point made elsewhere about the 'debris' motion caused by the TIE laserblasts, it's not something that bothered me personally.  But your point is certainly valid in terms of assuming there's no gravity around that huge asteroid.  On the other hand I wouldn't have been sorry to see the 'orange glow' of the 'tiny asteroid colliding inside the pocket of the large asteroid' shot replaced with a small spray of 'debris' instead...but I also appreciate that adywan perhaps looks on *that* as an iconic, visually-'stylistic' moment in the asteroid sequence, too.  And there's no sound in space either, which is another dramatically-'stylistic' choice at the end of the day, where these movies are concerned...and thankfully so.

While there's been differing views over many things over the years on this lengthy thread, I've noticed a creeping impatience among some lately over anyone that still brings certain things up.  That's understandable at this late stage of 'ESB:R', but adywan has always seemed opened-minded to *all* opinions posted here (at least the respectfully-worded ones, of course) about even the slightest details that some would like to discuss...and I'm sure that will continue throughout the rest of this project until he announces he's done, *whatever* his own preferences are.

The other thing to also consider about this asteroid (this topic has been discussed before) is the gravity & pressure inside the cave when Han & Co go for a space walk.....I'm fine with it 'cause its Star Wars, so I don't mind the Ady added dust/debris,......things like that happen in SW

J

Remember that this galaxy is far, far away - things evidently react differently!