The Controversial Discussions Thread (Was "The Prejudice Discussion Thread" (Was "The Human Sexuality Discussion Thread" (Was "The Homosexuality Discussion Thread"))) — Page 26

Bingowings said:

Prejudice is a topic we could all relate to as we have probably suffered it or witnessed it or engaged in it.

I am glad to see you recognize this openly for a change.  It also shows that there can be an open and fair dialog over such matters instead of stripping apart peoples words and psycho analyzing each bit in terms only the analyzer relates to personally.

:)

Jetrell Fo said:

Bingowings said:

Prejudice is a topic we could all relate to as we have probably suffered it or witnessed it or engaged in it.

I am glad to see you recognize this openly for a change.  It also shows that there can be an open and fair dialog over such matters instead of stripping apart peoples words and psycho analyzing each bit in terms only the analyzer relates to personally.

:)

If I understand your unusual phrasing correctly I think I agree with you.

Concentrating the topic onto what is different between us is actually feeding the topic that the thread is attempting to address, rather than opening it out with prospect of dissipation. People become more defensive of their position if they feel the arena has become adversarial. 

Did someone mention strippers?

Bingowings said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Bingowings said:

Prejudice is a topic we could all relate to as we have probably suffered it or witnessed it or engaged in it.

I am glad to see you recognize this openly for a change.  It also shows that there can be an open and fair dialog over such matters instead of stripping apart peoples words and psycho analyzing each bit in terms only the analyzer relates to personally.

:)

If I understand your unusual phrasing correctly I think I agree with you.

Concentrating the topic onto what is different between us is actually feeding the topic that the thread is attempting to address, rather than opening it out with prospect of dissipation. People become more defensive of their position if they feel the arena has become adversarial. 

You understand it correctly I believe.

We ALL come from different backgrounds of environment and upraising.  The experiences we've had personally make each one of us who we are separately ..... it's what makes us unique.  That commonality makes us more alike than maybe we know we can admit to because of our personal experiences.  It is a bond that should be appreciated, not forgotten.

TV's Frink said:

Did someone mention strippers?

 Here.

Well that was disappointing.

This is now the Prejudice Discussion Thread. Do with it what you will (just don't prejudge it). 

Well, I'm glad we're talking about the supposed non-issue of homosexuality in a completely unrelated thread instead of this one since there's obviously nothing to talk about related to homosexuality.

It's only related to homosexuality if you want it to be brethren.

All the prejudged people are people regardless of the reason for the prejudice.

The bitchin discussion is about bitchin and at the moment the bitchin is about religious attitudes to homosexuality, a subject I didn't raise in that thread.

There is a religion thread too but that's not stop religion popping up as threads or on unrelated ones.

I also didn't make this one or change the name of it (though I glad that my suggestion to do so was taken up and we are all discussing prejudice here).

I think that much of the previous 25 pages were discussing homosexuality without discussing it in a prejudiced manner.  Discussing controversy and religious beliefs towards it isn't the same thing as prejudging those who are homosexual.

Jud Ice is a very tasty and refreshing treat.  The stuff that they had pre-Jud Ice was okay, but they really got it right with Jud Ice.

darth_ender said:

I think that much of the previous 25 pages were discussing homosexuality without discussing it in a prejudiced manner.  Discussing controversy and religious beliefs towards it isn't the same thing as prejudging those who are homosexual.

Going by the text which has been the source of much of the tempest on some these threads. God has delivered his verdict so you don't have to.

Therefore it is pre-judged an abomination unto God just like eating shrimp.

Do we have an eating shrimp discussion thread?

Ryan McAvoy said:

Something positive for a change ;-)...

Guardian - UK's first same-sex marriages go ahead

Much as I dislike Cameron, the Prime Minister did say some good things on this momentus day...

"The introduction of same-sex civil marriage says something about the sort of country we are.

"It says we are a country that will continue to honour its proud traditions of respect, tolerance and equal worth. It also sends a powerful message to young people growing up who are uncertain about their sexuality.

"It clearly says 'you are equal' whether straight or gay. That is so important in trying to create an environment where people are no longer bullied because of their sexuality - and where they can realise their potential, whether as a great mathematician like Alan Turing, a star of stage and screen like Sir Ian McKellen or a wonderful journalist and presenter like Clare Balding."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THuhAg7a9Sg

When Cameron announced this I thought it wasn't really necessary and that it was just a fig leaf to cover up how many of his party supported Section 28.

We had civil partnerships so all that was really different was the word which despite the pettiness of the thing I was willing to sacrifice.

And then I heard all the objections.

The objections convinced me that much of the change was superficial and hiding a continued subtext of bigotry (yep I said the B word).
I have no idea if he was aware of what he was doing but I applaud the move, especially in contrast to what American evangelists are encouraging in Uganda, Nigeria and Russia.

darth_ender said:

I think that much of the previous 25 pages were discussing homosexuality without discussing it in a prejudiced manner.  Discussing controversy and religious beliefs towards it isn't the same thing as prejudging those who are homosexual.

I guess this means I have to rename this thread once again. I suppose "The Controversial Discussions Thread" will do nicely.

*sigh*

Actually, I think you could just call it the *sigh* thread, but I guess we already have one of those ;)  Actually, I don't think you ever even had to change the name, but I do appreciate your efforts to accommodate.

The shrimp thread has a nasty pungent smell of the sea about it.

darth_ender said:

Similarly we don't have a passive aggressive paranoiac's thread.

 I want to address something, not just to you, but to everyone.  What I am about to say could hurt feelings permanently, but I think it's important to point out.  I have a suspicion that Warbler has an autism-spectrum disorder, perhaps what was until recently called Asperger's .  I got this list from a website:

ASPERGERS: CLINICAL FEATURES

One of the primary features of Aspergers is their passion for favorite topics or special interests. Some of these areas include:

• astronomy
• dinosaurs
• extraterrestrials
• geography
• history 
• machines or machinery
• maps
• math
• metereology
• music
• reading 
• science
• social studies
• space travel
• trains
• weather

I might suggest other topics like politics or sports.

Socialization deficits—

• Are inflexible and incapable of coping with change
...
• Difficulties making social connections
• Easily stressed and emotionally vulnerable
• Frequently described as “odd” or selfish
• Highly frustrated by their social awkwardness/alienation
• Lack effective interaction skills — not desire
• Lack understanding of human relations and rules of social convention
• Naïve and lack common sense
...
• Seldom interested in other's interests/concerns
• Unable to “read” others' needs and perspectives
• Unable to appropriately respond to social cues

How often have members here laughed at Warbler's inability to get an obvious joke or his taking things too literally or personally?

Social rejection of Aspergers kids—

Because of their social ineptness ASPERGERS kids are often the focus of bullying, scape-goating, hazing and teasing. This often leads to anxiety, feelings of rejection, depression and withdrawal.

...

For some teenagers, computers are an alternative from stressful social situations. Computers also provide a more linear, modulated form of socialization that ASPERGERS kids are more skilled and comfortable at handling. Since many ASPERGERS kids become very computer proficient, they become valuable resources to their peers. It also provides a media for social interaction in which they can feel competent and valued. 

...

Use of Language—

• Concrete language rather than abstract
• Difficulty understanding humor
...
• Typically revert to favorite topic area 

...
• Weak pragmatic-conversational-skills

TEACHING STRESS REDUCTION SKILLS—

AS kids are:

• are often anxious and worrisome
• easily overwhelmed 
• highly sensitive 
• often engage in rituals

I got these from this site.  I removed what I thought was not applicable in Warbler's case or was not available just by reading his computer posts.  You can see the whole list at the link.

I feel Warbler fits many of these criteria and have thought so for some time.  I didn't ever point it out because of my fear of hurting him and because I could easily be incorrect, as it's hard to judge a person by computer posts alone.  But I feel the need to point it out now as he is so often the subject of negative humor, yea, even what some might call prejudice.  Folks judge him without truly knowing him.  For this reason I again resort to this quote:

Similarly we don't have a passive aggressive paranoiac's thread. 

Since this quote is obviously referring to Warbler, let me again say that perhaps it is not a bad idea to have a thread devoted to the prejudices, bigotry, and mistreatment directed at those who have emotional, psychological, or personality disorders.  They too are victims, often completely without recognition.  I want everyone to consider just perhaps how hypocritical they may have been in their treatment of others, including Warbler, without understanding the hardships many of them go through.

 You think I may have autism-spectrum disorder?  hmmm.  I don't know.   I can't say I am interested in all the things you listed someone with that disorder might be interested in.  I suppose some of listed symptoms describe some of my problems.  I admit I probably have some sort of mental issue(s).   When growing up I was described as a slow learner and for a couple of years was in a special education class.   As I have said before I know and admt I have temper issues.  When I could afford it, I was in therapy for my temper.   When I can afford to do so again, I will go back.  The therapist seemed to think that I had I been going to school today, I would have diagnosed with some sort of learning disorder(perhaps ADD).  Of course he was not qualifed to make such a diagnoses himself, and of course neither can I or you, Darth Ender.   So until and unless I go to the people qualified to make such a diagnoses, there is no way to know what mental issues I truly have. 

It would be advisable to get a check up.

The mind like any part of the body, if it's acting in a noticeably detrimental way having it looked over by an expert is a solid policy.

Why treat a part of yourself in lesser way than a car or a computer?

It could be something physical like a thyroid problem in which case a simple course of tablets might radically change your life for the better.

I still think you can get that computer fixed too :-)

Welcome back.

Bingowings said:

It would be advisable to get a check up.

The mind like any part of the body, if it's acting in a noticeably detrimental way having it looked over by an expert is a solid policy.

Why treat a part of yourself in lesser way than a car or a computer?

It could be something physical like a thyroid problem in which case a simple course of tablets might radically change your life for the better.

I still think you can get that computer fixed too :-)

Welcome back.

 Since you put Bingowings on ignore, Warbler, I'm quoting his post for your benefit. Lest you take offense at anything he wrote, I can assure you that I detect no ill-intent of any sort. ;)

maybe when I have the money to deal with these things, I will. 

Warbler said:

darth_ender said:

Similarly we don't have a passive aggressive paranoiac's thread.

 I want to address something, not just to you, but to everyone.  What I am about to say could hurt feelings permanently, but I think it's important to point out.  I have a suspicion that Warbler has an autism-spectrum disorder, perhaps what was until recently called Asperger's .  I got this list from a website:

ASPERGERS: CLINICAL FEATURES

One of the primary features of Aspergers is their passion for favorite topics or special interests. Some of these areas include:

• astronomy
• dinosaurs
• extraterrestrials
• geography
• history 
• machines or machinery
• maps
• math
• metereology
• music
• reading 
• science
• social studies
• space travel
• trains
• weather

I might suggest other topics like politics or sports.

Socialization deficits—

• Are inflexible and incapable of coping with change
...
• Difficulties making social connections
• Easily stressed and emotionally vulnerable
• Frequently described as “odd” or selfish
• Highly frustrated by their social awkwardness/alienation
• Lack effective interaction skills — not desire
• Lack understanding of human relations and rules of social convention
• Naïve and lack common sense
...
• Seldom interested in other's interests/concerns
• Unable to “read” others' needs and perspectives
• Unable to appropriately respond to social cues

How often have members here laughed at Warbler's inability to get an obvious joke or his taking things too literally or personally?

Social rejection of Aspergers kids—

Because of their social ineptness ASPERGERS kids are often the focus of bullying, scape-goating, hazing and teasing. This often leads to anxiety, feelings of rejection, depression and withdrawal.

...

For some teenagers, computers are an alternative from stressful social situations. Computers also provide a more linear, modulated form of socialization that ASPERGERS kids are more skilled and comfortable at handling. Since many ASPERGERS kids become very computer proficient, they become valuable resources to their peers. It also provides a media for social interaction in which they can feel competent and valued. 

...

Use of Language—

• Concrete language rather than abstract
• Difficulty understanding humor
...
• Typically revert to favorite topic area 

...
• Weak pragmatic-conversational-skills

TEACHING STRESS REDUCTION SKILLS—

AS kids are:

• are often anxious and worrisome
• easily overwhelmed 
• highly sensitive 
• often engage in rituals

I got these from this site.  I removed what I thought was not applicable in Warbler's case or was not available just by reading his computer posts.  You can see the whole list at the link.

I feel Warbler fits many of these criteria and have thought so for some time.  I didn't ever point it out because of my fear of hurting him and because I could easily be incorrect, as it's hard to judge a person by computer posts alone.  But I feel the need to point it out now as he is so often the subject of negative humor, yea, even what some might call prejudice.  Folks judge him without truly knowing him.  For this reason I again resort to this quote:

Similarly we don't have a passive aggressive paranoiac's thread. 

Since this quote is obviously referring to Warbler, let me again say that perhaps it is not a bad idea to have a thread devoted to the prejudices, bigotry, and mistreatment directed at those who have emotional, psychological, or personality disorders.  They too are victims, often completely without recognition.  I want everyone to consider just perhaps how hypocritical they may have been in their treatment of others, including Warbler, without understanding the hardships many of them go through.

 You think I may have autism-spectrum disorder?  hmmm.  I don't know.   I can't say I am interested in all the things you listed someone with that disorder might be interested in.  I suppose some of listed symptoms describe some of my problems.  I admit I probably have some sort of mental issue(s).   When growing up I was described as a slow learner and for a couple of years was in a special education class.   As I have said before I know and admt I have temper issues.  When I could afford it, I was in therapy for my temper.   When I can afford to do so again, I will go back.  The therapist seemed to think that I had I been going to school today, I would have diagnosed with some sort of learning disorder(perhaps ADD).  Of course he was not qualifed to make such a diagnoses himself, and of course neither can I or you, Darth Ender.   So until and unless I go to the people qualified to make such a diagnoses, there is no way to know what mental issues I truly have. 

        I suspect that soon, as we all retreat into the internet, EVERYONE will be "diagnosed" as "Autistic".