drngr
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Cheapest solution available:
Recommended hardware:
The generic HDMI splitter mentioned above strips HDCP, for whatever reason. That is the simplest and cheapest HDCP stripper I'm aware of, though there are 3 others I'm familiar with (besides the HDFury-type expensive custom-made parts).
For a few years now, China has been producing their own cheap capture card models that "secretly" ignore copy protection. Only recently, the HDMI boards have started showing up on eBay instead of just the import sites.
Unless otherwise noted, all of these cards max out at 720p60 and 1080i60. That's all you need for HDTV capturing, but for recording movies from Netflix, Vudu, and other web sources it is preferable to go for a 1080p24 or 1080p30 card.
Hardware list
Desktops
"HDMI high-definition Blu-ray video capture card supports 1080P for Game Player"
$90 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-high-definition-Blu-ray-video-capture-card-supports-1080P-for-Game-Player-/160956050308
Timeleak HD72A (1080p24)
$102 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Def-video-grabber-HDMI-Capture-Video-to-PC-PCI-E-card-for-DVD-VCD-Game-Xbox-/271122491316
Timeleak HD70A
$110 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-input-PCI-E-High-Def-HD-video-grabber-capture-card-720P-1080i-fr-XP-Vista-7-/251215742547
If you won't do eBay or the sellers won't ship to you, you can buy it for a markup: http://dx.com/p/hdmi-1-3-pci-express-high-definition-video-capture-card-72046 ($138.60 worldwide)
New HDMI Output&HDMI Input Blu-ray HD Video Capture Card grabber Converter PCI-E (1080p30, HDMI OUTPUT)
$125 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HDMI-Output-HDMI-Input-Blu-ray-HD-Video-Capture-Card-grabber-Converter-PCI-E-/370738348664
Mine HD887 (1080p30)
$133 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-E-1080P-30Hz-HDMI-Capture-Card-Real-Time-Supports-Blue-Ray-/280993117951
Timeleak HD75A
$140 - HD 75A (1080p24) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blu-ray-1080P-HDMI-Video-Converter-PCI-E-Video-Capture-Card-/261110211878
Skydigital SKYHD Capture X HDMI SKY-CXHDMI (HDCP STRIPPER REQUIRED, supports AC3/DTS, Korean rather than Chinese)
~$200 with middleman fees / JPY 11,272 - http://www.ecj.jp/U1301.doit?goods=836943&mk=1
JPY 12,684 - http://www.amazon.co.jp/???????????-HDMI?????????-SKYHD-Capture-SKY-CXHDMI/dp/B004CCQVHS/
Laptops
Timeleak HD80E
$110 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Laptop-HDMI-Express-HD-Video-Capture-Card-Fr-PS3-XBOX360-720P-1080i-XP-Vista-7-/370739470361
Skydigital SKY-CXHDMIU3 (HDCP STRIPPER REQUIRED (possibly?), 1080p30, supports AC3/DTS, Korean rather than Chinese)
$197 + unknown shipping - http://www.gooddigitalshop.com/skydigital-captureu3.0-hdmi-1080p-external-video-capture-card.html
$233 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Skydigital-CaptureU3-0-HDMI-1080p-External-Video-Capture-Card-/261132234216
How to capture video with the card
Example video
YouTube example using the HD72A to capture "The Dark Knight" Blu-ray from PS3 at 1080p24: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1wezhH63Ow
Spaced Ranger
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"Your love of the halflings' leaf has clearly slowed your mind"Excellent post! Thanks for all this info ... all in one place!
Some (many?) games today don't have an "in-game recording mode" -- that records the network stream and uses the game engine for playback, allowing for detached & adjustable Point-Of-View and frame-by-frame (any frame size, any frame rate) capturing. External (to the game) recording is the only alternative and these digital recorders are great solutions to that problem.

digitalfreaknyc
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Jedi KnightHauppauge. That's all you need to know. No lists. Will do anything you need.
drngr
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An $150 card that can only capture unencrypted HDMI or analog YPbPr to 13Mbps H.264 with no option for uncompressed 2-channel audio (forced AAC)
vs.
A $110 card that can capture any HDMI or YPbPr to uncompressed/lossless with uncompressed 2-channel audio
Not drinking that Hauppauge Kool-Aid.
digitalfreaknyc
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Jedi Knightdrngr said:
An $150 card that can only capture unencrypted HDMI or analog YPbPr to 13Mbps H.264 with no option for uncompressed 2-channel audio (forced AAC)
vs.
A $110 card that can capture any HDMI or YPbPr to uncompressed/lossless with uncompressed 2-channel audio
Not drinking that Hauppauge Kool-Aid.
drngr
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^ The problem is that you can't set it to a high enough bitrate because it is locked to a 13Mbps maximum. If it could be unlocked somehow, great.
You mention a splitter that I already listed as one of two options in my original post...
To answer your question of what I capture: kids' shows; most of them seem to be produced in 5.1 but aren't aired or streamed as such.
Plus I prefer Dolby Surround tracks on older movies to a 5.1 upmix.
digitalfreaknyc
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Jedi Knight13mbps is MORE than enough to capture broadcast signals. Remember, broadcast is mpeg-2 but it's being re-compressed in AVC, which is MUCH more efficient.
And should 13 not be enough for you, the internal capture card can go up to 20mbps. Overkill IMHO.
And, again, the Hauppauge is the only viable and realistic option for getting phenomenal results with 5.1 sound.
I would have purchased any other possibility. With all the HD archiving I do, there is no other option.
drngr
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digitalfreaknyc said:
13mbps is MORE than enough to capture broadcast signals. Remember, broadcast is mpeg-2 but it's being re-compressed in AVC, which is MUCH more efficient.
<snip>
And, again, the Hauppauge is the only viable and realistic option for getting phenomenal results with 5.1 sound.
The best features of AVC aren't employed by realtime capture devices, since they would require additional processing time and buffering.
There are some other options for 5.1 sound, but I understand why you are saying "realistic".
digitalfreaknyc
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Jedi KnightI don't understand why they would even make an HDMI card that can't capture 5.1. It's pointless.
Spaced Ranger
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"Your love of the halflings' leaf has clearly slowed your mind"drngr said:
Only recently, the HDMI boards have started showing up on eBay instead of just the import sites.
Are there any non-eBay sites (like the DX site -- easily available to the U.S. with normal credit cards) that carry these items? The HDMI 3D Splitter 1x4 looks useful and capping up to 1080-24p (including all the lower resolutions) should cover any future situation. Raw capturing is useful (especially for later editing), but unobtrusively compressed recordings, for later viewing with a minimum of fuss, is fine (in this ease-of-use scenario, HDMI for recording both video and audio would be best).
Only ... I can't determine which products produce "clean" signals for recording just by reading the minimal descriptions. Any pointers on what to look for?

drngr
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Why can't you use a credit card with PayPal?
For capture cards look for mentions of PS3 and Blu-ray players.
digitalfreaknyc
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Jedi KnightSpaced Ranger said:
drngr said:
Only recently, the HDMI boards have started showing up on eBay instead of just the import sites.
Are there any non-eBay sites (like the DX site -- easily available to the U.S. with normal credit cards) that carry these items? The HDMI 3D Splitter 1x4 looks useful and capping up to 1080-24p (including all the lower resolutions) should cover any future situation. Raw capturing is useful (especially for later editing), but unobtrusively compressed recordings, for later viewing with a minimum of fuss, is fine (in this ease-of-use scenario, HDMI for recording both video and audio would be best).
Only ... I can't determine which products produce "clean" signals for recording just by reading the minimal descriptions. Any pointers on what to look for?
Spaced Ranger
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"Your love of the halflings' leaf has clearly slowed your mind"drngr said:
YouTube example using the HD72A to capture "The Dark Knight" Blu-ray from PS3 at 1080p24: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1wezhH63Ow
and
Why can't you use a credit card with PayPal?
Unfortunately, if the buyer doesn't have a PayPal account, eBay won't allow the option to pay for an auction through it (because they want you to sign up). Sux to be me. :)
Wow, a very nice capture of a 1080p source (even with YouTube compression)! But what is that occasional tearing-bar glitch at the top of a single frame now-and-then:

I saw the same thing on another YouTube demo of a video game capture. Is it something that happens always on the same frame(s) or is it random? Bad card, or bad signal, or bad computer, or bad something else? And, more important, any way to capture without getting it?

Spaced Ranger
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"Your love of the halflings' leaf has clearly slowed your mind"digitalfreaknyc said:
... Otherwise, you can get the Hauppauge.
To quote Tony Stark: "Is it too much to ask for both?" :)
Can the Colossus handle all the audio encodings? I don't exactly know what all is. I see it supports DD5.1. But what about TrueHD or DTS or DTS-HD or anything-else, recordable from everywhere-else? Or is that to much to ask for now?
Anyway, it looks great as a fast & simple hi-def digital VCR.
I can also see the 1080p30/24 ones more useful for in-computer captures (video games, et al) -- although more complicated due to the separate audio recording and subsequent syncing / remuxing.

drngr
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Spaced Ranger said:
Bad card, or bad signal, or bad computer, or bad something else? And, more important, any way to capture without getting it?
I have never seen that on my captures, but I don't use that device. I have seen similar green or magenta bars appear when I had my card seated in a PCIe slot that it didn't like.
Seems to be a data rate deficiency.
Colossus can't do any multichannel audio besides DD5.1.
Doctor M
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Jedi KnightSay I wanted to take an HDMI signal and feed it to something like the Hauppauge gaming PVR, the best option looks to be the 4 port 1x4 splitter you linked... but they don't ship to the U.S.
Are there any other options you can suggest?
drngr
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They must have added that exclusion to the list just recently.
Here is the US account for the same seller. I posted the Aussie one because it was slightly cheaper before, with the exchange rate.
Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/VeeCome-portable-Powered-Splitter-Support/dp/B0094OEQNU/
Spaced Ranger
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"Your love of the halflings' leaf has clearly slowed your mind"On the software side of these things ...
Do any include useful software that will do simplistic edits (trims and splits) of a capture and create Blu-ray formatted DVDs for viewing (without re-encoding video/audio) and, just as important, extract and rejoin the disc-saved splits back into the full capture?
If none from them, are there such programs (preferably free or cheap) that you know will do all the above?

Doctor M
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Jedi Knightdrngr said:
They must have added that exclusion to the list just recently.
Here is the US account for the same seller. I posted the Aussie one because it was slightly cheaper before, with the exchange rate.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Port-1-x-4-Audio-Video-1080P-HD-HDMI-Splitter-Amplifier-Multiplier-Box-/220864833576
Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/VeeCome-portable-Powered-Splitter-Support/dp/B0094OEQNU/
Thanks. Just noticed these are listed as 1.3 compliant. Hopefully they'll update to 1.4. (It's interesting they call it a 3D splitter even though 3D was added in the 1.4 specs.)
Btw, the ebay.com has the same exclusions, but the Amazon link seems good.
Doctor M
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Jedi KnightOh, one more thing. Several of these streaming services can be ripped right from your PC with inexpensive software like GetFLV.
Check out their list: http://www.getflv.net/site.php
drngr
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The streams aren't actually "ripped" and the trouble with screencapture on a PC is that the renderer never produces an accurate FPS. Netflix for example always drops frames; threads on AVS about it.
Doctor M
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Jedi KnightNo, GetFLV, TubeDigger and a few other similar programs actually save the incoming data from the websites. They are true rips, not screen captures.
Flash is frequently tries to fix their code to stop them, and they have constant updates to get around it. It's a fun little arms race.
Spaced Ranger
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"Your love of the halflings' leaf has clearly slowed your mind"drngr said:
Here is the US account for the same seller. I posted the Aussie one because it was slightly cheaper before, with the exchange rate. ... Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/VeeCome-portable-Powered-Splitter-Support/dp/B0094OEQNU/
There are a number of sellers that have like the same-looking box -- but who knows what's in them. Reviews are inconsistent -- some say they get the pictured box (metal), some say they get another kind (plastic).
That original eBay seller's name TomTop, also the name of their ChiCom website, isn't the same as the Amazon seller's name VeeCome.
Has anyone verified by purchase that this Amazon seller (or any other for that matter) has a splitter that actually handles the "hand-shaking" for devices that can't?

drngr
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Doctor M said:
No, GetFLV, TubeDigger and a few other similar programs actually save the incoming data from the websites. They are true rips, not screen captures.
Flash is frequently tries to fix their code to stop them, and they have constant updates to get around it. It's a fun little arms race.
I assumed by "several of these streaming services" you meant the ones listed in the thread's title.
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There are a number of sellers that have like the same-looking box -- but who knows what's in them. Reviews are inconsistent -- some say they get the pictured box (metal), some say they get another kind (plastic).
Has anyone verified by purchase that this Amazon seller (or any other for that matter) has a splitter that actually handles the "hand-shaking" for devices that can't?
Can you post this claim of a plastic box? That's odd.
I got mine from Amazon, but from a different listing before they raised the price: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0089DVCT8
Despite the photo, there is no CVID logo on the box.
Spaced Ranger
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"Your love of the halflings' leaf has clearly slowed your mind"As per your advice, I was looking at powered splitters with mentions of Blu-ray and PS3 and came across this one:
SANOXY HDMI 1x2 3D splitter v1.3 HDCP 2 ports swither 3 4 5 8 PS3 XBOX360 DVD Blu-ray
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UYOEMI/
Comments about it's construction:
"However, I received the newer plastic-cased version of the product and it has met/exceeded my expectations."
"I did not receiver the metal cased, square edged version. My was made out of cheap plastic and had rounded corners. ... I was only able to get it working a few times, and never consistently. Not worth the hassle to return."
Comments about it's operation:
"They do not advertise that this baby bypasses HDCP protection ... But to my surpirse if I use this with my PS3 HDCP protection does not work, allowing me to stream and capture ps3 gameplay from HDMI."
"I found that my older model splitter did NOT transfer or split the signal from my new blu-ray. ... So, I purchase a [this] splitter labeled for "Blu-Ray"...it did not function either."
"This splitter does not support 3D like it says."
"Tried 3D and worked beautifully."
There are over 100 comments with most being either 1 or 5 stars -- an indication of problem construction / quality control / outright different product.
At your mentioned new link, there are no comments at all. Curious. And this one doesn't mention Blu-ray / PS3. Do you have it's original listing with comments to determine it's quality control?
