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I am fine with people of the world pursuing the lifestyle of their choice as long as it's not forced on others .... just like my belief about religion as I am agnostic.

Quoting myself here ...... this was taken out of context because it was in a post I made dealing with the question of a 100% positive genetic link to homosexuality.

I personally have NO idea whether people who are gay or straight are genetically disposed to be that way.  That being said, I have no problem with how people chose to live.  Since I don't see any need to reaffirm my straightness I don't see a need for gay people to do the same.  We ALL bleed red.  We ALL have our own problems.  We ALL are people and that is the way I see it.  When people paraphrase and analyze stuff you've said I don't believe they are using enough information to back their suppositions.

The internet is cold enough without having others judge you by something taken out of context and it does nothing but make matters worse. 

Straight people don't have to fight for equality.

Jetrell Fo 1 said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-TVs-Frink-AKA-The-Real-Ric-Olie-vs-the-Infinite-Fos-Thread/topic/16525/

Why on earth would someone think that if a member saw a thread with their name in it that they would blindly enter knowing the wolves await?

Weird .............

 Can you list the wolves so we know who to avoid?  Thanks.

TV's Frink said:

Straight people don't have to fight for equality.

 Then you live in a box.  Besides, this had nothing to do with anything I said.

You know yourself, so why ask?

You said "wolves." I need a list of everyone else.

I didn't know they were in off topic...

TV's Frink said:

You said "wolves." I need a list of everyone else.

 Sorry, I don't do demands.

ray_afraid said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV's Frink said:

Straight people don't have to fight for equality.

 Then you live in a box.

 Please, give us the details of the hardships us straight folks face and how hard we've worked to overcome our gay oppressors. I'm all ears...

I am not going to participate in your twist of this subject.  I have explained what I meant and of course Frink had his say to try and encourage more discord.  I hope you enjoy peace and quiet because that is all your ears will get from me.  Anything you post about it after this is of your own creation, not mine.

Ryan McAvoy said:

TV's Frink said:

Jetrell Fo 1 said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-TVs-Frink-AKA-The-Real-Ric-Olie-vs-the-Infinite-Fos-Thread/topic/16525/

Why on earth would someone think that if a member saw a thread with their name in it that they would blindly enter knowing the wolves await?

Weird .............

 Can you list the wolves so we know who to avoid?  Thanks.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wolverhampton_Wanderers_F.C._players

Take special care to avoid Andy Gray ^

Glad I could help

As for this crap ..... the comment had nothing to do with sexism OR footie.  Wolves (for this forum) would include Frink and anyone looking to join a verbal bullying session for giggles.  No thanks.

ray_afraid said:

Jetrell Fo said:

ray_afraid said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV's Frink said:

Straight people don't have to fight for equality.

 Then you live in a box.

 Please, give us the details of the hardships us straight folks face and how hard we've worked to overcome our gay oppressors. I'm all ears...

I am not going to participate in your twist of this subject.  I have explained what I meant and of course Frink had his say to try and encourage more discord.  I hope you enjoy peace and quiet because that is all your ears will get from me.  Anything you post about it after this is of your own creation, not mine.

 I don't care how this started and this is no "twist of the subject". I'm asking you to respond to something you just said. If you're to weak to defend your own words, so be it. But don't expect me not to point out and respond to such ridiculous statements.

There is NO such thing as "gay oppressors", there is NO such things as "straight oppressors".  Straight people from all walks of life get accused of being homophobes and are humiliated just because they don't understand or relate to the gay identification.  If you think it doesn't happen then you have not experienced it yourself.  Many straight people across the world who are not opposed to the gay identification have endured this short fuse response.  I hope that helps you out.

P.S.  I don't care that you don't care about how this started .....

Jetrell Fo said:

I am fine with people of the world pursuing the lifestyle of their choice as long as it's not forced on others .... just like my belief about religion as I am agnostic.

Quoting myself here ...... this was taken out of context because it was in a post I made dealing with the question of a 100% positive genetic link to homosexuality.

I personally have NO idea whether people who are gay or straight are genetically disposed to be that way.  That being said, I have no problem with how people chose to live.  Since I don't see any need to reaffirm my straightness I don't see a need for gay people to do the same.  We ALL bleed red.  We ALL have our own problems.  We ALL are people and that is the way I see it.  When people paraphrase and analyze stuff you've said I don't believe they are using enough information to back their suppositions.

The internet is cold enough without having others judge you by something taken out of context and it does nothing but make matters worse. 

You seem to be equating non-genetically determined behaviour with choice.

I didn't chose to be homosexual it's not a life-style option. I gave heterosexual sex a try but it didn't turn me heterosexual. I identify myself as homosexual and yet I very rarely have sex due to my ethical decision to remain faithful in a monogamous and largely sexless relationship.

This branch of the gaybate came from Warb equating his choice of religion with my allocated sexual preference.

What ever the determining factor for those sexual preferences are (genetic, in vivo chemisty, voodoo curse, alien abduction etc) choice was not one of them so the parallel falls flat.

Bingowings said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I am fine with people of the world pursuing the lifestyle of their choice as long as it's not forced on others .... just like my belief about religion as I am agnostic.

Quoting myself here ...... this was taken out of context because it was in a post I made dealing with the question of a 100% positive genetic link to homosexuality.

I personally have NO idea whether people who are gay or straight are genetically disposed to be that way.  That being said, I have no problem with how people chose to live.  Since I don't see any need to reaffirm my straightness I don't see a need for gay people to do the same.  We ALL bleed red.  We ALL have our own problems.  We ALL are people and that is the way I see it.  When people paraphrase and analyze stuff you've said I don't believe they are using enough information to back their suppositions.

The internet is cold enough without having others judge you by something taken out of context and it does nothing but make matters worse. 

You seem to be equating non-genetically determined behaviour with choice.

I didn't chose to be homosexual it's not a life-style option. I gave heterosexual sex a try but it didn't turn me heterosexual. I identify myself as homosexual and yet I very rarely have sex due to my ethical decision to remain faithful in a monogamous and largely sexless relationship.

This branch of the gaybate came from Warb equating his choice of religion with my allocated sexual preference.

What ever the determining factor for those sexual preferences are (genetic, in vivo chemisty, voodoo curse, alien abduction etc) choice was not one of them so the parallel falls flat.

I'm happy to see a more reasonable response from you.  And I apologize that you think I'm trying to equate these two things mentally.  I do not have any experience being homosexual so that is where my experience falls short. 

I could chose to be gay even though I'm straight and you could chose to be straight even though you're gay.  We can't even determine if genetics carries weight in either so where do we go from here?  I do NOT have issue with how people identify themselves.  That is probably a better way to state that feeling and idea. 

My discussion post was never about who is better, who is worse, or if any of it really matters.  I would see you as a person, nothing more.  Every race in the world has probably had hateful words thrown at them, who gets more or less is unimportant, those words can still hurt. 

On a side note .... the name of the starter of this thread has changed to Hot.like.fire, is IT now a sock account?   

I can't choose to be something I'm not. I could choose to be a bird and fly out of my bedroom window but the results would be messy (probably).

I could buy a jet pack and maybe I would get a fair distance but I wouldn't be a bird.

You could choose to have sex with member of the same gender, you might even like it but unless you were compelled to prefer it to sex with a lady of the opposite sex before you chose it you would just be a heterosexual having gay sex and there is a lot of that about too.

I have for as long as I can remember (2 or 3) been more drawn to bodies of the same gender before I even knew what sex was.

So how is that a choice?

The OP has and always will be hot like fire BTW.

She hasn't changed anything and she's not a sock.

Bingowings said:This branch of the gaybate came from Warb equating his choice of religion with my allocated sexual preference.

 ??????

what the heck is gaybate?  Why are you blaming me for all this stuff with Jetrell Fo?

I didn't equate my choice of being a Christian to you being gay.   I equated you mocking my Christianity to if I were to mock you being gay.   Regardless of whether or not homosexuality is a choice, I do believe that a person mocking homosexuality would hurt your feelings simularly to how someone mocking Christianity hurts mine.  I made clear that don't care if being a gay is a choice or if it is predermined.  I don't care if it is genetic or not.   I don't understand why it so important whether or not it is a choice or predermined.  Either way, I have no problem with you living your live that way.  I have made clear that you should be free to do so.  Time and time again I have stuck up for gay rights.   I am sorry you think that me being Christian and thinking homosexuality is a sin(but one that is between you and God) means I am a bigoted homophobe.  Don't know what else to say.

I am finding the whole business of online job applications A) bleedin tedious and B) a little dispiriting.

I am being selective and applying only for jobs I am qualified for and would like to do.

I've applied for something like 200 jobs online since Christmas and not a single interview.

I am tenacious but it's bit like playing Pachinko.

One rejection comes out here...two applications go in there. Click, click, bing, bing.

Someone in a HR dept accidentally copied all the applicants into an e-mail (opps) 42 applicants for a very modest position. It's crazy out there.

Still it will add a certain frisson to my inevitable success.

Jetrell Fo said:

Straight people from all walks of life get accused of being homophobes and are humiliated just because they don't understand or relate to the gay identification.  If you think it doesn't happen then you have not experienced it yourself.  Many straight people across the world who are not opposed to the gay identification have endured this short fuse response. 

 while I don't agree with everything Jetrell Fo said, I think he does make a good point here.  I do want to make crytal clear that I don't think this compares at all with the stuggles and oppression and problems gay people have faced.

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:This branch of the gaybate came from Warb equating his choice of religion with my allocated sexual preference.

 ??????

what the heck is gaybate?  Why are you blaming me for all this stuff with Jetrell Fo?

I didn't equate my choice of being a Christian to you being gay.   I equated you mocking my Christianity to if I were to mock you being gay.   Regardless of whether or not homosexuality is a choice, I do believe that a person mocking homosexuality would hurt your feelings simularly to how someone mocking Christianity hurts mine.  I made clear that don't care if being a gay is a choice or if it is predermined.  I don't care if it is genetic or not.   I don't understand why it so important whether or not it is a choice or predermined.  Either way, I have no problem with you living your live that way.  I have made clear that you should be free to do so.  Time and time again I have stuck up for gay rights.   I am sorry you think that me being Christian and thinking homosexuality is a sin(but one that is between you and God) means I am a bigoted homophobe.  Don't know what else to say.

 

You equated my homosexuality with your Christianity when you asked me if I would be hurt if you called my homosexuality stupid in the same way that I expressed certain flavours of Christianity as being stupid (namely Biblical Literalists  something which you assert you aren't).

You are, I notice from your foxy sig message, also not the sort of Christian who takes Mathew 7:3 seriously so if you can edit that out of your religious chain of reference why be so clinging about the Old Testament and Acts (the biblical reference not sexy acts)?

'Gaybate' - debate about homosexuality It's an on the fly compound word which would take most people a few seconds to decode even without the context.

The lifestyle vs allocation debate is important because it explains the nuance between say... being of African heritage and being a painted minstrel.

One is the way you are and one is a choice.

I didn't chose, I can't chose not to be the way I am.

I can't help it if your God doesn't approve of my sexuality (which isn't homophobia because He isn't scared of me he just doesn't approve of what I'm hoping to do again, at least once in a while, some day, perhaps) but seeing as he isn't my God it only becomes an issue when people who are devotes of the said invisible personage campaign against people like myself.

If they stopped doing that I would be perfectly happy to live with your God's frowny face should my ship come in and I have some form of sexual experience.

But seeing as both instances are almost as unlikely as each other I can't really see a way out of this situation. Can you?

Bingowings said:

I can't choose to be something I'm not. I could choose to be a bird and fly out of my bedroom window but the results would be messy (probably).

I could buy a jet pack and maybe I would get a fair distance but I wouldn't be a bird.

You could choose to have sex with member of the same gender, you might even like it but unless you were compelled to prefer it to sex with a lady of the opposite sex before you chose it you would just be a heterosexual having gay sex and there is a lot of that about too.

I have for as long as I can remember (2 or 3) been more drawn to bodies of the same gender before I even knew what sex was.

So how is that a choice?

The OP has and always will be hot like fire BTW.

I equate decision making with making a choice.  I did NOT say YOU chose to be gay.  In the end, it doesn't matter if I am gay or straight, in design and site I am human.  Since I am not gay I would have to chose to be because I'm straight ..... I would be making a decision.  

And BTW, leave Warbler alone.  He explained himself plainly and you STILL accuse him of persecuting you just because he believes in God and God says homosexuality is a sin.  He's already told you he is not your judge and jury and that he supports gay rights.  Besides, he's a Christian and I'm agnostic.  Our beliefs are as different as his and yours are.  Please discuss this reasonably or bow out.

God's Frowny Face is my band's third album.

TV's Frink said:

God's Frowny Face is my band's third album.

Not only NOT funny but NOT needed either.  You never quit do you? 

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:This branch of the gaybate came from Warb equating his choice of religion with my allocated sexual preference.

 ??????

what the heck is gaybate?  Why are you blaming me for all this stuff with Jetrell Fo?

I didn't equate my choice of being a Christian to you being gay.   I equated you mocking my Christianity to if I were to mock you being gay.   Regardless of whether or not homosexuality is a choice, I do believe that a person mocking homosexuality would hurt your feelings simularly to how someone mocking Christianity hurts mine.  I made clear that don't care if being a gay is a choice or if it is predermined.  I don't care if it is genetic or not.   I don't understand why it so important whether or not it is a choice or predermined.  Either way, I have no problem with you living your live that way.  I have made clear that you should be free to do so.  Time and time again I have stuck up for gay rights.   I am sorry you think that me being Christian and thinking homosexuality is a sin(but one that is between you and God) means I am a bigoted homophobe.  Don't know what else to say.

 

You equated my homosexuality with your Christianity when you asked me if I would be hurt if you called my homosexuality stupid in the same way that I expressed certain flavours of Christianity as being stupid (namely Biblical Literalists  something which you assert you aren't).

no, I equated mocking your homosexuality with you mocking my Christianity(and you have mocked my "flavour" of Christianity, you've mocked them all on occasion). 

You are, I notice from your foxy sig message, also not the sort of Christian who takes Mathew 7:3 seriously so if you can edit that out of your religious chain of reference why be so clinging about the Old Testament and Acts (the biblical reference not sexy acts)?

not sure what is meant is as I recogized and admitted to my own faults over and over again. 

'Gaybate' - debate about homosexuality It's an on the fly compound word which would take most people a few seconds to decode even without the context.

in looking the word up, I found a very different diffinition, it clearly could not be attributied to what was going on here, hence I asked what you meant by gaybate.

The lifestyle vs allocation debate is important because it explains the nuance between say... being of African heritage and being a painted minstrel.

I am not seeing the comparison.  A more accurate comparsion would be comparing being of African heritage and white guy deciding to live life as a person of African heritage(this assumes that some sort of makeup tech exist that really make a white guy look like someone of African herritage). 

If being Gay were choice it is clear to me it is more than choice of style of performance in a show.

One is the way you are and one is a choice.

I would argue that being gay, if it is a choice, and being Christian, becomes the way you are after you've made the choice.   Yeah, I chose to be Christian, but it is still the way I am.

I didn't chose, I can't chose not to be the way I am.

I can't help it if your God doesn't approve of my sexuality (which isn't homophobia because He isn't scared of me he just doesn't approve of what I'm hoping to do again, at least once in a while, some day, perhaps) but seeing as he isn't my God i

As a Christian, I don't believe he is my God,  I don't believe he isn't your God.   I believe he is God, everyone's God.   But really doesn't matter if I think he is your God or if you think he is your God.  What matters is does HE think He is your God.

it only becomes an issue when people who are devotes of the said invisible personage campaign against people like myself.

which I have not done.

If they stopped doing that I would be perfectly happy to live with your God's frowny face should my ship come in and I have some form of sexual experience.

But seeing as both instances are almost as unlikely as each other I can't really see a way out of this situation. Can you?

 Well one thing you could is do is stop acting like I am one of those Christians that persecutes you.  I am not one of them.  Stop using my Christinity as a weapon against me(like you tried to do by pointing out Mathew 7:3). 

If the Christian in question is the kind of Chrstian that doesn't hurt, persecute, and/or oppress you, live and let live.