^harsh.
The biggest issue is definitely the continuity between shots, especially Han's clothes. Having him wear a parka immediately after landing doesn't make much sense. Perhaps if you cut away to the Imperial fleet after the Falcon makes its approach to Hoth, then cut back to Han in the control room with Leia.
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It's much better now, kinda beautiful even. It plays like the natural flow of a sequence of scenes. Before it was just 'hard cut to Vader and ESB begins'. The editing in that clip was so well executed I didn't even notice the removal of Reiken until my 2nd watch (Even though I suggested it LOL). The Leia and Han relationship plays correct now as the bickering pair we just saw escaping the DS. It's one seemless character piece!
Couple of pointers:
- 1.49 Colour correction needed as the two shots don't match. The first is bright the 2nd is dark. Should be an easy fix to level the two out.
- 2.24 I take it that hard cut to the Imp fleet is temporary? Otherwise wipe needed and musical transition etc
A few more suggestions:
- Have you thought about using the deleted footage of Han and Leia arguing in the tunnel. Han is much nastier to her which didn't fit that point in the OT but might fit this point in the monology?
- Did you try opening the Hoth segment with the Threepio "How are we going to dry the Princeses' cloths" scene as I suggested? Or did it not work? I still think it will help ease the transition since it explains away the cloths change, explains away a shift forward in time of a few hours (At least) and transitions onto two characters we can recognise as looking identical to the way they did in the ANH footage.
- (Again shooting from the hip on this idea so haven't fully thought it all out) but maybe cut staright into the conversation between Vader and Palpatine after the Hoth sequence. Would it read as Palpatine and Vader chatting about the suprise arrival and death of Obi-Wan (About an hour before) and the possible threat it means in the form of Luke?... Hang on, maybe in this edit it needs to play out after Luke leads the Hoth ground assault otherwise who the f*ck is Luke to the Emperor? arrghh not sure.
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-I am planning on further color correction.
-Hard cut is temporary. Wipe and audio transition to be added.
-I actually did try to put the threepio line about the clothes at the beginning but it leads into the convo between threepio and han that i don't want to keep and no matter how I went about it I just wasn't satisfied.
-Still not sure what I'll do with that scene. I'll keep you posted with further details.
Darth Lucas said:
-I actually did try to put the threepio line about the clothes at the beginning but it leads into the convo between threepio and han that i don't want to keep and no matter how I went about it I just wasn't satisfied.
Oh well, nevermind then.
Had another thought. Do we see how Vader got from the DS to the Executor prior to Hoth? If not could you use the SE "Prepare my Stardestroyer for my arrival" line. Either by using the same footage (Not ideal as it's obviously Bespin) or using some other footage of Vader (He's got no mouth so it could be dubbed over anything). Probably a sweeping side shot of Vader barking orders at Jerjerrod would work best.
^ "Prepare my Stardestroyer for my arrival"
It could play in exactly the same way as it does in ESB, of Vader storming off, after Luke has slipped his grasp intercutting with the Falcon escaping. This would still allow you use the totally different "Bring my shuttle" line from the GOUT later on Bespin.
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Ryan McAvoy said:
Had another thought. Do we see how Vader got from the DS to the Executor prior to Hoth? If not could you use the SE "Prepare my Stardestroyer for my arrival" line. Either by using the same footage (Not ideal as it's obviously Bespin) or using some other footage of Vader (He's got no mouth so it could be dubbed over anything). Probably a sweeping side shot of Vader barking orders at Jerjerrod would work best.
That's a fantastic idea. Will definitely work that into it. I could probably dub over the "That's it. The rebels are there." scene since I won't be using it otherwise.
Only problem there is that Vader all of a sudden has a different shiny suit!
HotRod said:
Only problem there is that Vader all of a sudden has a different shiny suit!
In the whole scheme of things that's the least of the problems. Haircuts and costumes are gonna change, it's getting the new character arcs, scene placements and narrative flow right that will make this idea work IMO.
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Definitely. I've sort of brushed all the costume and design changes under the rug and hoping it won't be too distracting. Really spending most of my time fleshing out the plot changes, character arcs, etc. This will both be the same story you remember and totally different all at the same time.
Terrible news =( My computer crashed and I lost ALL of the information on my hard drive. Which unfortunately means I will have to start this edit all over again from scratch.
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Darth Lucas said:
Terrible news =( My computer crashed and I lost ALL of the information on my hard drive. Which unfortunately means I will have to start this edit all over again from scratch.
Commiserations but surely the data is recoverable somehow. Start a thread in off-topic asking for help and advice. There are some very knowledgeable people when it comes to I.T. issues on this forum.
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If there was a way to retrieve the data unfortunately the damage has been done and the old hard drive has been disposed of. =T
Sorry to hear that, this is why I have multiple hard drives with important files duplicated.
Well, any project worth doing is worth re-doing. Don't lose hope!
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Yeah, I've already begun re-editing what I had done. Might be some time before any major updates, though.
Whew! Guess who hasn't updated since March! Sorry for that guys. I've been super busy lately but rest assured, this has been worked on whenever possible.
But anyway, I'm wondering what you guys think should be done with the Empire/Jedi transition. Right now I'm leaning toward opening ROTJ with Luke's return to Dagobah, but I'm still a little stuck with the ending of Empire. The problem is that (unlike Star Wars) it's not a matter of simply cutting out the end and splicing it to the beginning of the next, as you really need the line "I'll meet you at the rendezvous point on Tatooine" to properly lead into Jedi, but then with the music and general way the scene plays out, it's very clearly an ending and I can't really think of any shots or anything that will allow me to seamlessly ease that into Luke heading to Dagobah. Any ideas?
I think adding a wipe as the Falcon is seen flying off would work, before it cuts back to Luke and Leia. The shot I mean is the one where the forming star is in the background of the Falcon. The music may need to be removed or changed to something that doesn't feel as "final" if that makes sense.
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Vader and Palpatine are the only two people you can cut to and fill the gap between ESB and ROTJ.
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I'm not sure if you are planning on revealing the 2nd Death Star during the ESB scenes, or keeping it within the ROTJ section. However, you could cut from the Millennium Falcon's departure from the Rebel fleet and wipe to Vader arriving at the 2nd Death Star, but possibly have Palpatine already there, waiting in the throne room for Vader to come report to him? I don't know, just throwing some ideas in there.
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Keep Luke on Dagobah. In ESB he goes from 100% not going to help them and obeying Yoda, to fully packed and leaving in the next scene anyway?!? How about he only leaves after Yoda dies or when Han is Frozen...
You could cut straight from "I love you... I know... wookie howl of anguish*" to Luke dropping the stones? He never goes to Bespin and goes off after Lando, Leia and Chewie's desperate persuit of Fett. That would explain why he turns up late to Jabba's palace.
Remember after Hoth, Luke and Han/Leia are essentially in two totally different films. There's no reason why they need to meet up again for 2 minutes before the end of ESB in your version?
That only leaves the Vader/father reveal right? Kenobi's chat about Anakin could maybe be re-edited to reveal that. Or another method could be redubbing Vader's lines from ESB over the final battle in ROTJ. When Luke is hiding in the throne room, just before losing his sh*t and attacking Vader. Swap the line from "...perhaps she will - Nooo!" to "...I am your father - Nooo!"
Then maybe Ben's "Why didn't you tell me?" chat could take place on Endor between the start of the Ewok celebration and him burning his father's body. The Dagobah footage can be converted quite closely to Endor. I know because I've tried it myself.
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oh_riginal said:
I'm not sure if you are planning on revealing the 2nd Death Star during the ESB scenes, or keeping it within the ROTJ section. However, you could cut from the Millennium Falcon's departure from the Rebel fleet and wipe to Vader arriving at the 2nd Death Star, but possibly have Palpatine already there, waiting in the throne room for Vader to come report to him? I don't know, just throwing some ideas in there.
Remember, in this edit there is no "2nd Death Star" as the first was never destroyed. Any shots of the 2nd Death Star will either be replaced with shots of the first from ANH or the old death star will be rotoscoped into the scene in place of DS2. I think the scene with Palpatine and Vader will be my best bet, however, in bridging the gap between Empire and Jedi, but some dialogue will have to be removed/changed so that the whole construction aspect is gone.
Ryan McAvoy said:
Keep Luke on Dagobah. In ESB he goes from 100% not going to help them and obeying Yoda, to fully packed and leaving in the next scene anyway?!? How about he only leaves after Yoda dies or when Han is Frozen...
You could cut straight from "I love you... I know... wookie howl of anguish*" to Luke dropping the stones? He never goes to Bespin and goes off after Lando, Leia and Chewie's desperate persuit of Fett. That would explain why he turns up late to Jabba's palace.
Remember after Hoth, Luke and Han/Leia are essentially in two totally different films. There's no reason why they need to meet up again for 2 minutes before the end of ESB in your version?
That only leaves the Vader/father reveal right? Kenobi's chat about Anakin could maybe be re-edited to reveal that. Or another method could be redubbing Vader's lines from ESB over the final battle in ROTJ. When Luke is hiding in the throne room, just before losing his sh*t and attacking Vader. Swap the line from "...perhaps she will - Nooo!" to "...I am your father - Nooo!"
Then maybe Ben's "Why didn't you tell me?" chat could take place on Endor between the start of the Ewok celebration and him burning his father's body. The Dagobah footage can be converted quite closely to Endor. I know because I've tried it myself.
Really interesting ideas here. I will definitely be trying this, and if not, doing my best to alter it so I like the finished product. Definitely superb thoughts. =) Thanks a bunch.
Darth Lucas said:
oh_riginal said:
I'm not sure if you are planning on revealing the 2nd Death Star during the ESB scenes, or keeping it within the ROTJ section. However, you could cut from the Millennium Falcon's departure from the Rebel fleet and wipe to Vader arriving at the 2nd Death Star, but possibly have Palpatine already there, waiting in the throne room for Vader to come report to him? I don't know, just throwing some ideas in there.
Remember, in this edit there is no "2nd Death Star" as the first was never destroyed. Any shots of the 2nd Death Star will either be replaced with shots of the first from ANH or the old death star will be rotoscoped into the scene in place of DS2. I think the scene with Palpatine and Vader will be my best bet, however, in bridging the gap between Empire and Jedi, but some dialogue will have to be removed/changed so that the whole construction aspect is gone.
so you are using "DS1" in RotJ - will you be using "DS2" in ANH, as if we will get to see the construction or something ?
maybe with a scene, where Tarkin or Jerjerod talks to Vader about soon to finish the "ultimate weapon" ?
a very cool project, too bad you had lost some of your work due a harddisk failure - always keep a backup somewhere ;-)
brimforge said:
Darth Lucas said:
oh_riginal said:
I'm not sure if you are planning on revealing the 2nd Death Star during the ESB scenes, or keeping it within the ROTJ section. However, you could cut from the Millennium Falcon's departure from the Rebel fleet and wipe to Vader arriving at the 2nd Death Star, but possibly have Palpatine already there, waiting in the throne room for Vader to come report to him? I don't know, just throwing some ideas in there.
Remember, in this edit there is no "2nd Death Star" as the first was never destroyed. Any shots of the 2nd Death Star will either be replaced with shots of the first from ANH or the old death star will be rotoscoped into the scene in place of DS2. I think the scene with Palpatine and Vader will be my best bet, however, in bridging the gap between Empire and Jedi, but some dialogue will have to be removed/changed so that the whole construction aspect is gone.
so you are using "DS1" in RotJ - will you be using "DS2" in ANH, as if we will get to see the construction or something ?
maybe with a scene, where Tarkin or Jerjerod talks to Vader about soon to finish the "ultimate weapon" ?
a very cool project, too bad you had lost some of your work due a harddisk failure - always keep a backup somewhere ;-)
No, I will not be adding DS2 in ANH. I did think of doing this, but it would end up being more trouble than it's worth and I feel it works better if it is complete from the beginning to end.
and will it destroy only Alderaan or will you show it as a growning "phantom menace", that wrecks havoc on its path, till it is destroyed by the rebel forces ?
It will destroy only Alderaan. The main conflict is not between the rebel alliance and the empire, it is between Luke and Vader and that's where I want to keep the focus. The only way I could see it working in this narrative is through some sort of montage of it destroying different planets, but that doesn't really fit in with the style of the rest of the story, I'm not crazy about the idea of creating several custom shots of different planets blowing up, and it would feel disjointed and distract from the main narrative ultimately to not do very much, if anything, for the story.