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Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD** — Page 115

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DuracellEnergizer said:

As I hate the whole PT-spawned notion that only certain genetic supermen get to have an afterlife, I hope Episode VII -- or any of the sequels, really -- clearly establishes that everyone -- be they Jedi or not, Force-sensitive or not -- gets to survive death as spirits in the Force.

 I'm not sure that concept is in the PT at all. 

Really, all we get is that Qui Gon learned to be a ghost. Where other peoples souls/whatever go after death isn't touched on.

I mean, if that's your reading (which I dont think has much evidence behind it), then the OT supports it just as much.

Perhaps my perception has been tainted by PT-era EU.

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darklordoftech said:

I want as much focus on the OOT characters as possible. It's not Star Wars without them, prequels be damned.

I just hope they won't do some pompous scenes when the old cast will first appear in the film. Those kind of scenes feel very dumb and awkward to me. They should introduce them very casually, like we are use to seeing them every day.

Yeah I know, I will be disappointed...

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The "30 years after RotJ" line from the official site's announcement (and everything else in it, for that matter) apparently came from Bob Iger in a recent meeting with shareholders.

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kk650 said:

It also leaves open the possibility of a love triangle, much like in the OT.

 Between cousins? Let's not bring back that aspect of the OT. =P

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Tobar said:

kk650 said:

It also leaves open the possibility of a love triangle, much like in the OT.

 Between cousins? Let's not bring back that aspect of the OT. =P

Ah, but you assume that the young trio will all be blood related. I can see that not being the case for all three.

Say for example that Luke hasn't had any children because he's been so busy restarting the jedi order/setting up some sort of academy. He could have adopted a force sensitive as his son/daughter to teach the ways of the force. The other two in the trio could be the children of Leia and Han, with perhaps one being force sensitive and the other not, to add an extra dynamic of jealousy/resentment there. Both siblings are vying for the attention of the adopted son/daughter of Luke, so you have a love triangle without any sort of incest.

Hell, considering how much Disney like their Princess movies and how successful the sister dynamic in Frozen has been, we could even get two sisters fighting over the adopted son of Luke haha that'd be a turn for the books, a two girl/one boy trio dynamic. Could be a way to put an interesting new spin on things, instead of having two guys fighting for the attention of one girl as per usual.

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I'd much rather Luke has a kid than Han/Leia. Which seems like a better father?

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DominicCobb said:

I'd much rather Luke has a kid than Han/Leia. Which seems like a better father?

You realize that people grow up and change, right? That not everybody is as reckless at in their 40's as they were in their 20's? I certainly hope the writers will allow these characters to have grown and changed, but I'm betting on them being stereotypes of their OT characterizations.

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Yeah, but still. Maybe I didn't word it properly. Who would be a more likely father? I'm sure Han would do fine but he just inherently doesn't seem like a family type.

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Let's say it again Frink:

"Leia and Chewie would make the best parents."

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DominicCobb said:

Yeah, but still. Maybe I didn't word it properly. Who would be a more likely father? I'm sure Han would do fine but he just inherently doesn't seem like a family type.

 I hear ya. I guess it's all point of view. I grew up around guys much more like Han than Luke (well, my father is much more Luke than Han, but I'm talking about peers.) and I've watched them change into responsible adults and wonderful fathers.

My siding with Han also comes from the films. He's the one who falls in love and we see that change him. Well, that and his dirty deeds landing him in a block of cement. I'm sure that had something to do with it as well ; )

This is my own take on things, but by the end of RotJ, Luke seems to be more focused on his training as a Jedi and possibly spreading the "good word" of the force than settling down and starting a family. Han is in prime position to be doing just that the last time we see him. So, for me, Han is the best pick for the daddy role in the new films. Also, this way we don't need any new characters and explanations as to where the kids came from. It's already been set up In TESB (where Han and Leia fall in love) and ROTJ (where their bond is cemented).

Though, if after 30 years Luke still hasn't found a guy or gal... well that will just be sad. I like Luke. I just want to see the boy happy!

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DominicCobb said:

Yeah, but still. Maybe I didn't word it properly. Who would be a more likely father? I'm sure Han would do fine but he just inherently doesn't seem like a family type.

Well you still did not word it properly. One doesn't need to be a family type at all to make kids (i.e. be a father in biological sense). And seeing how generally females like Han, the answer to your question is definitely Han.

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I get what you're saying ray, you make some good points.

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DominicCobb said:

Impscum, I'm not sure but I hope you're joking.

I just wanted to point out that being a father and being a good father is not the same thing. :p

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It really should have been Spielberg. He understands REAL moviemaking, not just CGI and fast editing. Star wars should have more in common with ET than Transformers. And PLEASE no "new" actors for the good guys. Original actors ONLY in the lead spots, not a bunch of good looking generic 2000's people.

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I feel so sad watching this:

http://youtu.be/mIlYk7KQe-s

Star Wars Ep. VII's FX need to be made this way. It's just real and shows human behind it.  We need SFX, not VFX.

But maybe the channel is posting these for a reason?

Atleast I can hope...

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if they add darkness to episode VII it should feel a little bit like the darkness shown in Return To Oz, The Black Cauldron, The Dark Crystal and Labyrinth to be part of rebirth of the new jedi order scenario although these should still feel like Star Wars movies as well so not too much dark but satisfying for the jedi.  

What’s worse George Lucas changing the OT or selling the rights to Disney

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I doubt it will be very dark. I think it'll be similar to their approach with Rebels. Trying to recapture the fun and excitement of:

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Tobar said:

I doubt it will be very dark. I think it'll be similar to their approach with Rebels. Trying to recapture the fun and excitement of:

 Well yeah but they should have a little bit of darkness to add a little bit of realism for the rebirth of jedi.

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It's set 30 years after ROTJ. I'm sure the Jedi have been well re-established by now.

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But maybe there was another small jedi purge caused by one sith who has learned from an ancient holocron and this time it is not like what we saw in Episode III and I can possibly see a resurrected empire so if the darkness theme is not pointed directly at the jedi it should be about the rise of an even worse empire.

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Tobar said:

It's set 30 years after ROTJ. I'm sure the Jedi have been well re-established by now.

It would probably take more than 30 years. All these potential Jedi have either been in hiding, in prison or in the milkman's eye.

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cain spaans said:

But maybe there was another small jedi purge caused by one sith who has learned from an ancient holocron and this time it is not like what we saw in Episode III and I can possibly see a resurrected empire so if the darkness theme is not pointed directly at the jedi it should be about the rise of an even worse empire.

 That sounds really dumb and clichéd, no offense. That's what the EU has done way too many times already and exactly what shouldn't happen in the movie.

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emanswfan said:

I feel so sad watching this:

http://youtu.be/mIlYk7KQe-s

Star Wars Ep. VII's FX need to be made this way. It's just real and shows human behind it.  We need SFX, not VFX.

But maybe the channel is posting these for a reason?

Atleast I can hope...

Let's be honest here. Real models are unsurpassed by CGI when it comes to reproducing stationary environment, buildings, space ships, etc. But when it comes to reproducing creatures, puppet based SFX just suck compared to CGI. CGI can reproduce more natural behaviour and motion of a creature. In the end they both look fake.

I just don't see the reason in investing great amount of time, effort and money in making a stop-motion SFX with a puppet. Especially when it usually look very unnatural. The way to solve this is either putting a guy into a costume or using CGI.

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