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The ANH:SE Redux Ideas thread (Radical Ideas Welcome). — Page 62

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ben_danger said:

I'd like to see an theoretical edit, having the duel start as the han/leia/luke flee to the falcon, and then continue during the tie fighter battle/death star escape. This was done in a trailer for MMO - Old Republic and is really dramatic.

Along Bingo's thoughts though, does luke ACTUALLY need to SEE obi-wan get killed though? If the fight begins far from the hangar and ends far from the hangar, could luke be seen to feel a tremour in the force?

Oh yes this one.

I still think it would be impossible to get the requisite emotional kick of Obi-Wan's

death if Luke doesn't see and respond to it.

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It might lead to a tonal missmatch but it might be interesting to move the line about Vader sensing something, to the point after the battle on the Tantive.

He is orbiting the planet on which he was born, where his son and his former mentor live and he is on the same ship as his daughter.

He instinctively knew that Hoth was where Luke was based on one probe reading.

He could sense Luke (and maybe Leia on the Tydirium) so it might be an intreging direction to go for a SE edit.

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I echo these sentiments.

It would be great to see Y-Wings in some kind of dogfight action over the Death Star.

Those big guns would be fun see spinning around and aiming.

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     Switch things up?  The Falcon takes off horizontally like the escape from Naboo.  Pulled down vertically into the DS hanger?
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Earlier back on the Wishlist thread there was some discussion about the original Death Star explosion.

I have a nostalgic attachment to it but I can see how it could be made to feel more like a small moon being ripped apart by an internal explosion rather than a disco ball full of glitter being popped by a firework in slow motion.

This otherwise silly and spoilerific ROTJ poster :

shows the Death Star shattering.

It might work to see larger chunks being thrown away by the explosion than the microfragments we see in the original and SE versions.

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It'd be cool to see this explored more, as well as the death of Alderaan, as they could be quite similar explosions.

Perhaps if you were to re-choreograph the Death Star Battle, you could introduce some more Tie Fighters throughout the battle. Whilst Luke is in the trench, there could be other Rebel Fighters holding off more Ties. When the rebels withdraw, they could be pursued by these remaining fighters. The exploding chunks of deathstar could smash the Ties to bits as the rebels weave through and escape.

It'd murder the pace of the scene, but an edit might totally change the dynamic of the film anyway (such as a surviving Death Star for ROTJ).

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Here is a possible change to ANH and ROTJ which will probably win me no friends.

For me one of the flaws of the OT is the near lack of a mention of Luke and Leia's mum.

She would become a key, if disappointing figure in the PT but the OT skirts over her almost entirely.

What if Padme didn't die in ROTS and is still alive all the way up to ANH where she is destroyed with Alderaan?

The message could be altered so it comes from her mother and not her stepfather (Padme had more time with Obi-Wan than Bail did and she went to Tatooine) so telling Leia to go there in a time of trouble makes sense.

Padme may not know Vader is her husband or Vader knowing who she is protects her because bumping off a former senator and mother of a current one would raise questions Vader doesn't want asking.

He could even know Leia is his daughter which would explain the lack of results the Dark Lord seems to be getting out of interrogating her.

Come ROTJ you would then just have to edit out the line about her dying when Leia was young.

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That'd be interesting. It would make a great deal of sense, and wouldn't take much to implement.

If she was designed a bit more she could be some enigmatic secret leader of the alliance? Like some hooded figure who is finally revealed in ROTJ? Like a more extreme Leia.

We do have alot of OT purity in our blood here. I do wonder though, if someone managed to recreate a fantastic PT, that we might be more prepared to add and alter the OT a bit more.

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timdiggerm said:

Bingowings said:

Come ROTJ you would then just have to edit out the line about her dying when Leia was young.

And the whole part where Vader learns that Luke has a... siiiister.

Take out the "so" and it's Vader's last revelation that he knew all along that Leia was his daughter (even when they were snogging). instead of learning it from Luke Vader uses this information to try and break Luke by rubbing his nose into how useless Ben was at hiding the information from him.

He kept her alive on the Death Star and on Bespin in much the same way he refrained from killing Luke.

Just an idea.

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Actually I think that's a really cool idea, even if we pretended the PT didn't exist.  Quite interesting.

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ray_afraid said:

Bingowings said:

What if Padme didn't die in ROTS and is still alive all the way up to ANH where she is destroyed with Alderaan?

 I've been preaching this since walking out of RotS.

 Did you walk out before the end credits?

If not I am disappointed, If I could go back in time I would pay money and walk out as the film starts.

It was all such a mandatory cinema affair that I will never partake in again the Hobbit is a prime example of another mandatory cinema affair and I managed to not go to see it and I am pleased about it.

some good ideas here though.

Would you put the emperor in star wars even if only a brief hint or a glimpse of him? I think he could go in the conference room scene before the millennium falcon comes out of hyperspace in the asteroid remnants of Alderaan.

The holo projector on the table. My thoughts were that the conversation was over and no dialogue should be heard we would only catch a brief glimpse at the start of the scene and him tuning out.

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Bingowings said:

timdiggerm said:

Bingowings said:

Come ROTJ you would then just have to edit out the line about her dying when Leia was young.

And the whole part where Vader learns that Luke has a... siiiister.

Take out the "so" and it's Vader's last revelation that he knew all along that Leia was his daughter (even when they were snogging). instead of learning it from Luke Vader uses this information to try and break Luke by rubbing his nose into how useless Ben was at hiding the information from him.

He kept her alive on the Death Star and on Bespin in much the same way he refrained from killing Luke.

Just an idea.

 Veeery eenteresting, Bingo.. though how would you explain him torturing Leia both in the Death Star detention block and on Bespin?  Is he like Dario Argento and just likes to do kinky things to his daughter (and possibly film it)?

Here is an idea: get one of those guys on youtube who does the James Earl Jones voice work and rejigger or redo some/most/all of Vader's JEDI lines so at the least he doesn't sound like he is so pussy whipped.

I would also suggest cutting a second (or even split second) from the Luke-Vader duel to get rid of the obvious "knee" Vader takes to give Luke the opportunity to whack his arm off.  I ALWAYS hated that.  I still think it would be cool to have Luke mentally throwing random debris at Vader during that last attack to mirror EMPIRE to explain how Luke can beat Vader so easily... I never bought Luke just thrashing his way to victory.

         

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He is torturing her but perhaps to monitor her latent abilities while protecting her from execution.

He keeps holding Tarkin back and he also alters the deal with Lando so that Leia can be his prisoner.

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RE: the recent re-links to Angel's deviantart page on Ady's thread among the bleached-out, turquoised-out stuff which doesn't jingle my bells much are a few that stylistically make ANH look more like ESB.

They are both films of their time and I want to have a proper preservation of both looks (Harmy's versions being the current next best thing).

But if the goal of a SE edit is to make the films feel less like films and more like events from the same fictional universe, making the OT feel like it's all set in the same universe is as important as making the PT look like it exists in the same universe as the OT.  I personally would rather ANH and ROTJ were made to look more like ESB than any other combination. Of all the OT films it just feels to me, more cinematic and complete without the plastic reality of the PT or rubber reality of ROTJ.

Threepio's eyes being made bright yellow like ESB would aid some of the shots of ANH and ROTJ where they look dull or switched off for example.

And the green charts in the Rebel war room would look better blue like they are in ESB. These are the mockup ideas I like on those pages.

George and Richard didn't seem to have the same eye for framing a shot as Kersh and I like sometimes Angel's reframing of shots to give them a more painterly composition.

Of all the colour choices on there one I do approve of is the recoloring of the speeder chasing after artoo. It really makes the image more dramatic and less uniformly pink.

But I wish he would back down on the blue fixation a bit.

As I've said many times the guy has got talent even if he has burned bridges here and I would love to see his ideas in motion.

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Bingowings said:

Earlier back on the Wishlist thread there was some discussion about the original Death Star explosion.

I have a nostalgic attachment to it but I can see how it could be made to feel more like a small moon being ripped apart by an internal explosion rather than a disco ball full of glitter being popped by a firework in slow motion.

This otherwise silly and spoilerific ROTJ poster :

shows the Death Star shattering.

It might work to see larger chunks being thrown away by the explosion than the microfragments we see in the original and SE versions.

 I'm thinking that chain of explosions from "Sim Wars".

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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Bingowings said:

RE: the recent re-links to Angel's deviantart page on Ady's thread among the bleached-out, turquoised-out stuff which doesn't jingle my bells much are a few that stylistically make ANH look more like ESB.

They are both films of their time and I want to have a proper preservation of both looks (Harmy's versions being the current next best thing).

But if the goal of a SE edit is to make the films feel less like films and more like events from the same fictional universe, making the OT feel like it's all set in the same universe is as important as making the PT look like it exists in the same universe as the OT.  I personally would rather ANH and ROTJ were made to look more like ESB than any other combination. Of all the OT films it just feels to me, more cinematic and complete without the plastic reality of the PT or rubber reality of ROTJ.

Threepio's eyes being made bright yellow like ESB would aid some of the shots of ANH and ROTJ where they look dull or switched off for example.

And the green charts in the Rebel war room would look better blue like they are in ESB. These are the mockup ideas I like on those pages.

George and Richard didn't seem to have the same eye for framing a shot as Kersh and I like sometimes Angel's reframing of shots to give them a more painterly composition.

Of all the colour choices on there one I do approve of is the recoloring of the speeder chasing after artoo. It really makes the image more dramatic and less uniformly pink.

But I wish he would back down on the blue fixation a bit.

As I've said many times the guy has got talent even if he has burned bridges here and I would love to see his ideas in motion.

Nah I was considering that but at the end i dont think this site might be the correct spot for posting.

Originaltrilogy.com is a great site with great content. In a way, it would be wrong to have a radical edit/vision that doesnt follow (even some can say doesnt respect) the original vision so closely.

From the other hand you might prefer a thread for updates. Only time will tell :) You can still check my DeviantArt page for updates and leave feedback.

Thanks again.

-Angel

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Angel, while your coloring is not my preference, I would love to see it utilized in a full edit. Your images are really cool and give the film a really modern look. I think it would be great to see how the film plays with your alterations. I'd say start a thread here, I'd be happy to get updates.

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^that's what Lois Lane said.

Another option that's not going to be popular but I thought I'd throw it in here anyway.

In the ESB and ROTJ the Executor is Vader's personal command ship (Han says their are many of these in ROTJ).

While I would never dream of tampering with the classic shark attack of shot of the first film the plans are very important so maybe the Devastator isn't the only ship in pursuit.

Vader could then come from his command ship once Leia's ship has been subdued and the two ships leave the wrecked Tantive in high orbit as evidence of it's 'accidental' destruction.

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Ronster said:

ray_afraid said:

Bingowings said:

What if Padme didn't die in ROTS and is still alive all the way up to ANH where she is destroyed with Alderaan?

 I've been preaching this since walking out of RotS.

 Did you walk out before the end credits?

If not I am disappointed, If I could go back in time I would pay money and walk out as the film starts.

 I didn't. It was a train wreck I couldn't look away from. ; )

But really, I rarely walk out of a film. Can't tell someone what all was wrong with it if you don't stay till the end!

I did laugh out loud at "NOOOooooOOO!" though.

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Would you put the emperor in star wars even if only a brief hint or a glimpse of him?

Nah. It's cool that we only hear of him in the first film, catch a distorted glimpse in the second, and then a full reveal in the third. Better to build some mystery around some characters (Emperor, Jabba) and then have a great reveal of them latter.

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