AntcuFaalb said:msycamore: Good point(s). I will reconsider my position.
That's admirable, AntcuFaalb.
In answer to the original question, I would say no.
I can live with a special edition that restores the image substantially but keep the original special effects (which means no CGI at all), and please give Boba Fett his original voice back for Empire and Jedi. The only changes I can deal with are cleaning up the image of the movie and maybe making the lightsabers look more vibrant to fit the fixed imagery. If that is all they change, then it's a steal.
deepanddark20 said:
Like marijuana, everybody loves the Original Trilogy and wants it
OneCentSky said:
I can live with a special edition that restores the image substantially but keep the original special effects (which means no CGI at all), and please give Boba Fett his original voice back for Empire and Jedi.
What you're describing isn't a "special edition" (which makes it sound like some sort of luxury), but what the vast majority of movies made since the time of Star Wars - and many from the decades preceding it - have recieved. George's "special edition" mistook alteration for improvement.
If Disney releases the OUT, will they replace the 20th Century Fox fanfare/logo at the beginning? Even if the entire rest of the movie after that is the unaltered theatrical version, it still wouldn't be acceptable to me. I'm already having a hard enough time accepting the fact that every Star Wars movie from now on (starting with VII) will not open with the fox logo/fanfare... if Disney removes it from any of the previously released movies, I won't buy a copy.
Then again, if the logo is the only thing they change, someone here at originaltrilogy.com can easily fix it :)
So I suppose getting something from Disney that repeats the mistakes of GOUT is a bigger concern.
In response to the thread title: Yes. For many reasons.
1. Money
2. PR. If Disney doesn't release the OOT, they're no better than GL. If they do release the OOT, the fans will see them as gods.
3. Disney wanted "complete and unfettered control.", and there's no way any corporation would sign a contract to never release their own intellectual property.
So does anyone think this won't happen?
I mean, we've been fucked-over so many times over the years that I still don't know what to expect from the Disney acquisition of LFL.
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It's really to early to tell either way. There is a precedent for Disney conceding on one point in buying certain properties. Disney originally wanted all of the Muppets, including the Sesame Street characters. It was a deal breaker for Jim Henson, and his family apparently didn't budge on it either.
George has been sticking to his guns on this since 1997, so it's hard to imagine letting him go so easily.
If the Mouse did release the OT, it's uncertain if they would do it right. They have barely dipped into their live action films on Blu Ray. Mary Poppins apparently didn't get botched like some of the animated films have been recently.
Where were you in '77?
AntcuFaalb said:
So does anyone think this won't happen?
I mean, we've been fucked-over so many times over the years that I still don't know what to expect from the Disney acquisition of LFL.
I haven't seen anything good come from Disney's purchase yet, so I'm not sold on this being a sure thing. And even if it happens, I doubt it will be handled with as much care as Harmy's Despecialized Editions. Are we even sure an unaltered print still exists in the LFL archives?
ray_afraid said:
AntcuFaalb said:
So does anyone think this won't happen?
I mean, we've been fucked-over so many times over the years that I still don't know what to expect from the Disney acquisition of LFL.
I haven't seen anything good come from Disney's purchase yet, so I'm not sold on this being a sure thing. And even if it happens, I doubt it will be handled with as much care as Harmy's Despecialized Editions. Are we even sure an unaltered print still exists in the LFL archives?
They have to at least still have separation masters. IP's, In's etc.
You don't not have these for a multi million and possibly multi billion dollar franchise. Especially when Lucas apparently has saved every thing. The only thing totally lost and not recoverable or at least not in very good condition is the original effects work. They recomped the stuff that was lost and that is not original only the pieces of film are.
The live action stuff could be taken directly off the negative if its not totally gone by now, with no generation loss. However having to resort to the IP or prints for the original effects would not exactly match up well with the negative.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Will Disney at least correct the colors? They don't need the original anything, and I doubt Lucas cares.
skyjedi2005 said:
ray_afraid said:
AntcuFaalb said:
So does anyone think this won't happen?
I mean, we've been fucked-over so many times over the years that I still don't know what to expect from the Disney acquisition of LFL.
I haven't seen anything good come from Disney's purchase yet, so I'm not sold on this being a sure thing. And even if it happens, I doubt it will be handled with as much care as Harmy's Despecialized Editions. Are we even sure an unaltered print still exists in the LFL archives?
They have to at least still have separation masters. IP's, In's etc.
You don't not have these for a multi million and possibly multi billion dollar franchise. Especially when Lucas apparently has saved every thing. The only thing totally lost and not recoverable or at least not in very good condition is the original effects work. They recomped the stuff that was lost and that is not original only the pieces of film are.
The live action stuff could be taken directly off the negative if its not totally gone by now, with no generation loss. However having to resort to the IP or prints for the original effects would not exactly match up well with the negative.
To be fair I am not even sure that the original effects(on the original CRI stock ) that formed part of the original negative(o-neg) would have stood up to the live footage original negative even back in the day before it had faded.
Photochemically speaking, you will always incur generation loss(be it on 35mm or 70mm) by creating Interpositives and Internegatives to produce release prints
The one bonus of this generatation loss is that the qualatitive differences between original live footage( O-neg) and effects shots printed on dupe film stock are/were obscured or reduced which makes/made for a more seamless presentation.
But just imagine if you had had a 4K scanner(or even 2K) back in April/May 1977!!!....... and you had scanned the then "new" Star Wars O-neg and projected it at 4K resolution the differences in quality between live footage and effects shots in terms of grain density would have been jarring.
I saw Star Wars in 1977. Many, many, many times. For 3 years it was just Star Wars...period. I saw it in good theaters, cheap theaters and drive-ins with those clunky metal speakers you hang on your window. The screen and sound quality never subtracted from the excitement. I can watch the original cut right now, over 30 years later, on some beat up VHS tape and enjoy it. It's the story that makes this movie. Nothing? else.
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I think Disney should run George Lucas through DVNR, make him blurry and less detailed.
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
This *is* Disney we're talking about - a company that loves to re-release their content every few years before locking it away to screw parents.
If they think they can make a buck, I can see them doing it. And what better way to get Star Wars fans to buy the films again? A new restoration of the film as it originally appeared.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. Maybe not the TRUE originals but as close to the non-SE versions as possible. At least I hope they do.
Actually, I kind of doubt Disney will re-release the GOUT. As I see it, they can be pretty stubborn. Besides, they probably think we're doing alright for ourselves anyway.
Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.
At this point, should we start lobbying for the OOT to come out on 4K?
CO said:
At this point, should we start lobbying for the OOT to come out on 4K?
It will be a very interesting situation if 4K becomes standard and Disney refuses to release the OOT.
Also, what will become of the colors and lightsabers?
darklordoftech said:
CO said:
At this point, should we start lobbying for the OOT to come out on 4K?
It will be a very interesting situation if 4K becomes standard and Disney refuses to release the OOT.
Also, what will become of the colors and lightsabers?
8K will be standard 4k is like HD Ready
Like HD Ready TV sets 4k needs to be adopted by a large number of people to bring the price of components down this will then enable 4k screens to drop in price and the true go to format to be introduced. 8k screens can already be produced for much less more money compared to a to 4k set. Yes it's still more expensive but for less component wise when you think it can handle twice the resolution.
No. I don't think Disney will release the original theatrical run versions.
Our only options are fan releases, but fortunately they're getting better and better all the time.
I think they will. Fans won't keep buying the same releases over and over again, and it'd be a good way to entice people to "refresh their memory" so they'll understand the story in ep 7
DuracellEnergizer said:
deepanddark20 said:
Like marijuana, everybody loves the Original Trilogy and wants itLOL. Speak for yourself.
Are you saying you don't believe marijuana loves the OT and wants it? Because I can tell you, deepanddark20 is right. Marijuana wants a quality release of the OOT on BD just as much as the biggest purist on this board.
From what I understand, Meth prefers the prequels and loves Jar Jar in particular, but Marijuana is craving a quality release of the classics in their original form.
The OT was legalized in Colorado and Washington, thank goodness.
I bet it hasn't really took off like it has in the Netherlands, though.
OneCentSky said:
I can live with a special edition that restores the image substantially but keep the original special effects (which means no CGI at all), and please give Boba Fett his original voice back for Empire and Jedi. The only changes I can deal with are cleaning up the image of the movie and maybe making the lightsabers look more vibrant to fit the fixed imagery. If that is all they change, then it's a steal.
I had to join up today, hello!
Sorry to cut in, but i totaly agree with you. For the past couple of days ive been hunting around for the best version of the original trilogy all cleaned up and remastered, but its impossible without all the goofy lucas additions, now i have found this place it confirmed my worst fears, that star wars is gone.