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Author: NeverarGreat
Time: 26-Jan-2014 9:19 PM
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Bingowings said:

For me Star Trek (2009) is practically identical to Star Trek into Darkness and not that different from Star Trek : Nemesis or Enterprise.

For me Prometheus is almost exactly the same film as Alien Vs Predator (2004).

And yet critically and in terms of popular opinion the reaction is wildly different.

My only conclusion is that trends are not set by quality but by some market led opinion swing. I highly expect the Star Wars sequels will be as bad as ROTS but as popular as Skyfall, just because the markets have decided Star Wars is to rise again.

Watch this space.

While Star Trek '09 has a similar conflict to Into Darkness (stop the evil baddie who has it out for the Federation) you are right that the reaction is very different because of expectation. This is very important. If The Empire Strikes Back told the same story as Star Wars, I believe that Star Wars would never have become a multi-generational phenomenon. Empire needed a darker tone that took risks with the material and actually advanced the story of the original instead of repeating it. Because of this Empire earned its place alongside Star Wars. Into Darkness is very similar to Star Trek, except that it doesn't introduce the crew, establish the universe, or explain the backstory of any important character, things which the original was required to do. So Into Darkness is a movie without a Prime Directive, coasting along on name recognition while systematically making nonsense of things which held the franchise together for almost fifty years.

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Author: DuracellEnergizer
Time: 26-Jan-2014 10:06 PM (Edited)
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Bingowings said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I would have liked Nemesis better had Shinzon had an actual reason for wanting to destroy Earth and Data been treated with a semblance of respect.

It was no more daft than Khan's vendetta against Kirk.

If it wasn't for the Federation Shinzon would not have been born to a life of slavery, sickness and perpetual darkness.

If it wasn't for Kirk, Khan would be still frozen or executed for hijacking and would never have met his wife.

I still think it would have made more sense to set his sights on the Romulus; after all, the Romulans are the ones who directly made him the man he was, and he already hated them with a genocidal passion, anyway.

Author: Tack
Time: 26-Jan-2014 10:16 PM
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NeverarGreat said:

Bingowings said:

For me Star Trek (2009) is practically identical to Star Trek into Darkness and not that different from Star Trek : Nemesis or Enterprise.

For me Prometheus is almost exactly the same film as Alien Vs Predator (2004).

And yet critically and in terms of popular opinion the reaction is wildly different.

My only conclusion is that trends are not set by quality but by some market led opinion swing. I highly expect the Star Wars sequels will be as bad as ROTS but as popular as Skyfall, just because the markets have decided Star Wars is to rise again.

Watch this space.

While Star Trek '09 has a similar conflict to Into Darkness (stop the evil baddie who has it out for the Federation) you are right that the reaction is very different because of expectation. This is very important. If The Empire Strikes Back told the same story as Star Wars, I believe that Star Wars would never have become a multi-generational phenomenon. Empire needed a darker tone that took risks with the material and actually advanced the story of the original instead of repeating it. Because of this Empire earned its place alongside Star Wars. Into Darkness is very similar to Star Trek, except that it doesn't introduce the crew, establish the universe, or explain the backstory of any important character, things which the original was required to do. So Into Darkness is a movie without a Prime Directive, coasting along on name recognition while systematically making nonsense of things which held the franchise together for almost fifty years.

That's why I really wanted to deny Cumberbatch being Khan. I think that movie would have been so much better if the whole plot centered around Harrison trying to take down Starfleet from the inside out.

I thought there were going to be scenes of him planting bombs in international HQs, grand speeches given over the air, and all that stuff.

I think that could have made for a much more interesting story, if you ask me.

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Author: Johnny Ringo
Time: 26-Jan-2014 10:29 PM (Edited)
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Bingowings said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I would have liked Nemesis better had Shinzon had an actual reason for wanting to destroy Earth and Data been treated with a semblance of respect.

It was no more daft than Khan's vendetta against Kirk.

If it wasn't for the Federation Shinzon would not have been born to a life of slavery, sickness and perpetual darkness.

If it wasn't for Kirk, Khan would be still frozen or executed for hijacking and would never have met his wife.

I still think it would have made more sense to set his sights on the Romulus; after all, the Romulans are the ones who directly made him the man he was, and he already hated them with a genocidal passion, anyway.

Well, he DID murder the entire Romulan senate.

It's hard to know exactly what Shinzon had planned but I think it's safe to assume that not all of his dogs were barking.

Author: DuracellEnergizer
Time: 28-Jan-2014 2:25 AM
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Death by Invitation (1971) - 4.5/10

The Hudsucker Proxy (1994) - 7.5/10

The Arrival (1996) - 7/10

Batman: Gotham Knight (2008) - 7/10

Scanners (1981) - 7.7/10

Old Yeller (1957) - 8/10

Night Gallery (1969)

This is actually the pilot episode for the TV series and not an out-and-out movie. Regardless, it is feature length, so I'm going to rate it.

7.8/10 (primarily for the segment with Roddy McDowall)

THX 1138 (1971) (pre-DVD director's cut) - 8/10

Blackfly (1991) - 9/10

Mortal Kombat: The Journey Begins (1995) - 5/10

Author: FanFiltration
Time: 28-Jan-2014 3:16 AM
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Went Clint crazy this past weekend.

Fistfull of Dollars 9/10

For A Few Dollars More 8/10

The Good The Bad And The Ugly (Extended Version) 10/10

Dirty Harry 10/10

Magnum Force 9/10

The Enforcer 8/10

Sudden Impact 7/10

The Dead Pool 5/10

High Planes Drifter 8/10

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Author: EyeShotFirst
Time: 28-Jan-2014 4:09 AM
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FanFiltration said:

High Planes Drifter 8/10

As much as I love Clint's western years, I can't watch that film. First 10 minutes were good, and then he rapes some woman. While one could argue she had it coming, being rude, it's still rape.

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Author: TV's Frink
Time: 28-Jan-2014 7:48 AM
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EyeShotFirst said:

While one could argue she had it coming, being rude

Really?

Author: Bingowings
Time: 28-Jan-2014 8:47 AM
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My legal team have asked me to point out that Clint himself has never knowingly raped anyone (it was a character he was playing in a piece of fiction) and yes rape is never justified outside the world of fiction writing.

The sex scene in Blade Runner is very complex because Rachel says "no" at first and seemingly changes her mind (the very misogynist rape scenario archetype that the industry had been stuck with for years) but her "no" is based on a set of memories that aren't hers.

The story is all about identity and memory and what is real. It's sort of a rape scene but it's not quite and it's deliberately shot and acted in an uneasy, difficult to watch sort of way.

Harrison Ford has also never knowingly raped anyone.

Author: timdiggerm
Time: 28-Jan-2014 9:18 AM (Edited)
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EyeShotFirst said:

FanFiltration said:

High Planes Drifter 8/10

As much as I love Clint's western years, I can't watch that film. First 10 minutes were good, and then he rapes some woman. While one could argue she had it coming, being rude, it's still rape.

I find that characters in fiction frequently do not act morally.

Never mind "she had it coming" which...oh wow man....wow.

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Author: TM2YC
Time: 28-Jan-2014 10:48 AM
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timdiggerm said:

EyeShotFirst said:

FanFiltration said:

High Planes Drifter 8/10

As much as I love Clint's western years, I can't watch that film. First 10 minutes were good, and then he rapes some woman. While one could argue she had it coming, being rude, it's still rape.

I find that characters in fiction frequently do not act morally.

Never mind "she had it coming" which...oh wow man....wow.

Yeeees, I'm gonna hope those words were ill chosen (Or a bad joke). Anyway, quite a few years since I've seen HPD but isn't...

*SPOILER BELOW!*

...Clint's character literally the devil in that movie? Doesn't seem like behaviour that would be out of character for Lucifer.

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Author: DuracellEnergizer
Time: 28-Jan-2014 12:42 PM (Edited)
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Clint's characters is ...

*SPOILER BELOW!*

... heavily implied to be the ghost of Marshal Jim Duncan, come back for revenge against those who conspired in his murder (the prostitute among them).

Author: TM2YC
Time: 28-Jan-2014 1:07 PM
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Clint's characters is ...

*SPOILER BELOW!*

... heavily implied to be the ghost of Marshal Jim Duncan, come back for revenge against those who conspired in his murder (the prostitute among them).

*MORE SPOILERS!*

Yes you are probably right or else he's an avenging Angel. Renaming the town hell, the fires and the painting the town red is very old-testament in either case.

I do like movies that let the audience add their own interpretations. Recent films to pull this off like 'Drive', 'Gravity', 'Life of Pi' have all worked very well for me.

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Author: FanFiltration
Time: 29-Jan-2014 1:50 PM
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The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) 8/10

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Author: Possessed
Time: 29-Jan-2014 4:05 PM
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FanFiltration said:

The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) 8/10

I enjoy that movie, except for there are some REALLY obvious continuity errors. Not to mention that the type of guns they use IN THE WHOLE MOVIE wouldn't have been invented yet for the time it's set in.

Author: EyeShotFirst
Time: 30-Jan-2014 5:15 PM
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Ryan McAvoy said:

timdiggerm said:

EyeShotFirst said:

FanFiltration said:

High Planes Drifter 8/10

As much as I love Clint's western years, I can't watch that film. First 10 minutes were good, and then he rapes some woman. While one could argue she had it coming, being rude, it's still rape.

I find that characters in fiction frequently do not act morally.

Never mind "she had it coming" which...oh wow man....wow.

Yeeees, I'm gonna hope those words were ill chosen (Or a bad joke). Anyway, quite a few years since I've seen HPD but isn't...

*SPOILER BELOW!*

...Clint's character literally the devil in that movie? Doesn't seem like behaviour that would be out of character for Lucifer.

Yeah, that wasn't the best way to put it.

Author: Tack
Time: 31-Jan-2014 11:01 PM (Edited)
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EDIT: Sorry, this post was made before the information about Woody Allen's "interests" came to light. My apologies.

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Author: FanFiltration
Time: 4-Feb-2014 5:50 AM
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"Ender's Game" 6/10

Not a bad film nor a great one. Good overall story, yet it seemed condensed and rushed. I never read the book, and now the film is making me consider doing so.

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Author: TM2YC
Time: 4-Feb-2014 6:38 AM
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Tack said:

EDIT: Sorry, this post was made before the information about Woody Allen's "interests" came to light. My apologies.

You wrote that post in 1993!?!

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Author: DuracellEnergizer
Time: 4-Feb-2014 11:56 AM
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Blood Work (2002) - 7.5/10

Shoot to Kill (1988) - 8/10

In the Heat of the Night (1967) - 7/10

Author: Tack
Time: 4-Feb-2014 12:36 PM
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Ryan McAvoy said:

Tack said:

EDIT: Sorry, this post was made before the information about Woody Allen's "interests" came to light. My apologies.

You wrote that post in 1993!?!

OK, before it came to my knowledge, anyway.

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Author: TM2YC
Time: 4-Feb-2014 1:33 PM (Edited)
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Tack said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Tack said:

EDIT: Sorry, this post was made before the information about Woody Allen's "interests" came to light. My apologies.

You wrote that post in 1993!?!

OK, before it came to my knowledge, anyway.

Yeah I know I was kidding, but he has been somewhat suspect for years after being caught taking naked photos of and then marrying the 20 year old girl he'd raised as his 'adopted' daughter since she was about 9. But there's never been a shred of evidence against him.

The question of wether you can divorce an artist's body of work from their private lives and personnal politics is a tough one. Allen's a film-making genius no question but for example, it would be a tough ask to view one of his greatest film's 1979's 'Manhattan'. Which is partly about the 42 year old Allen having a relationship with a 17 year old girl, without pausing to think. It seems terrible if his body of work should now be dismissed or diminished if he's not done a thing wrong.

Other artists like Michael Jackson, Mel Gibson, Charlton Heston, Morrissey, Wagner, Charlie Chaplin, Elvis, Roman Polanski, Ted Nugent, Leni Riefenstahl etc etc have possible troubling aspects about their real lives. Can you view their work on it's own merits, I don't know?

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Author: Tack
Time: 4-Feb-2014 1:37 PM (Edited)
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I haven't completely dismissed him, it just felt a bit strange to say such a thing as I did in my post when it just came to my light.

I still stand by that I like a lot of his films.

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Author: bkev
Time: 4-Feb-2014 1:57 PM
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I can separate personal feelings on his actions from appreciating him as an artist provided he never gets a cent of my money. Keep in mind, of course, I'm not entirely convinced he molested Dylan -- after all, this sudden resurgence of it as a hot topic reeks of a PR campaign by the Farrows. However, I'm more inclined to believe he did it.

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Author: DominicCobb
Time: 4-Feb-2014 4:05 PM
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I can't presume to know whether he did or not, there's good reason to believe either. I just don't think about it when I watch his films, which I can still love. It's probably important to note that the resurgence is 100% a PR thing. Firstly, Blue Jasmine's up for a few Oscars (and Cate Blanchett in particular is about extremely likely to win - note how Dylan calls her out by name a couple times in her op-ed) and, well campaigns can get really nasty; and, secondly, Ronan Farrow has a show coming to MSNBC.

Just don't think about it when you watch his movies. He's got some great ones, you wouldn't want that to spoil them.