Star Wars 1977 releases on 35mm — Page 7

Yep, film is grainy. You can see how much detail the noise removal, well, removed, in the GOUT image. Look at Obi-Wan's face.

This thread is awesome! :) "Save us Poita, you are our only hope."

TServo2049 said:

The shot is also grainy because the lightsaber scenes were shot in regular 4-perf 'scope, and 35mm gets noticeably grainier with each extra generation (exactly the reason why ILM chose to use VistaVision for the effects).

 That is correct, this is one of the grainiest sections in the film.

Other shots have nowhere near as much grain.

In other news, unfortunately the light controller board blew in the scanner this morning, I am awaiting a reply from the UK (oddly my closest service agent!) to see how much a replacement will be and how long it will take them to get one to me.

I'll be temporarily out of action until a replacement gets here.

Brooks said:

poita said:

Yep, film is grainy. You can see how much detail the noise removal, well, removed, in the GOUT image. Look at Obi-Wan's face.

 I was just about to say that!  It's surprising to see how blurry his face looks in that gout shot.  Did you do this with your new scanner?  Can you post a pic in full resolution somewhere?

 I can post a full resolution scan, it will be about 100MB, what is the best place to host the image?

poita said:

Brooks said:

poita said:

Yep, film is grainy. You can see how much detail the noise removal, well, removed, in the GOUT image. Look at Obi-Wan's face.

 I was just about to say that!  It's surprising to see how blurry his face looks in that gout shot.  Did you do this with your new scanner?  Can you post a pic in full resolution somewhere?

 I can post a full resolution scan, it will be about 100MB, what is the best place to host the image?

WeTransfer

poita said:

Brooks said:

poita said:

Yep, film is grainy. You can see how much detail the noise removal, well, removed, in the GOUT image. Look at Obi-Wan's face.

 I was just about to say that!  It's surprising to see how blurry his face looks in that gout shot.  Did you do this with your new scanner?  Can you post a pic in full resolution somewhere?

 I can post a full resolution scan, it will be about 100MB, what is the best place to host the image?

The good news is I can get a new board for 235 GBP + another 40 quid for the courier.

Not as cheap as I'd hoped but way less expensive than I had feared.

Once I am working again, I will order the board and be back underway again.

I'll upload a full size image later this week, any requests for a particular shot?

poita said:

I'll upload a full size image later this week, any requests for a particular shot?

The following one is pretty good, especially for comparing skin-tones: http://images4.static-bluray.com/reviews/4827_1_large.jpg

That's good news poita, the community owes you a debt of gratitude for all you continually do!

I've a request, if you have the shot in question: The final shot of the burning homestead scene has given me no end of trouble this last week. Actually, any scenes of Tatooine would be very good, as the color seems to fluctuate so dramatically between releases.

What an exciting thread! I'd like to see any frame of the opening shot, when the star destroyer is passing.

NeverarGreat said:

That's good news poita, the community owes you a debt of gratitude for all you continually do!

I've a request, if you have the shot in question: The final shot of the burning homestead scene has given me no end of trouble this last week. Actually, any scenes of Tatooine would be very good, as the color seems to fluctuate so dramatically between releases.

 The scenes on Tatooine on the original release prints are all over the place as far as grading goes. Remember ANH was a fairly low budget film, and grading was a chemical (expensive) process, so it isn't all that consistent on this movie.

If someone could tell me how many minutes.seconds into the film that a requested shot is, it would make it faster for me, and thumbnail of the required frame.

Wrangling through 100MB per frame is a slow process even on a fast machine.

For example which frame at the homestead do you mean, the last frame of the pan, the last frame of Luke, or the last frame before the change to a totally different scene?

The sky is quite pink in that sequence on the prints.

It looks less pink on this forum page due to the dark grey/blue background. Pop that image on a white background or neutral grey and you will see how pink the sky is.

40:32 mark (The shot continues through 40:33). In particular the first frame of the last shot of that scene (the wideshot of the entire homestead with Luke).

JEDIT: Whoa, that is very underexposed as well! My suspicions seem to be correct that the Tattooine stuff looks very different than the later releases.

There seems to be a lot of pink in the lights of the Obi-wan/Vader duel, especially compared to the GOUT. perhaps this is systemic?

The vader duel picture I posted isn't exactly matched to the print yet, so I would have to take a look on the Steeny later tonight and check that sequence.

A lot of the light flashes in the trilogy are reddish pink on all of the various prints, including the IB ones.

This is fairly close to the print.

Also, anyone looking at these, make sure your monitor is calibrated, I am using a Flanders Scientific calibrated monitor using an SDI output, so it will look different if your monitor isn't calibrated, your graphics card etc. etc.

Oh and if anyone wants to buy me FSI's beautiful CM250 OLED Monitor, just drop me a line ;^)

Thanks! Glad to know I wasn't crazy for putting red into the sky.

I don't know about that monitor, there's a few too many zeroes on the end of it for my budget ;)

JEDIT: Here's a comparison from the Senator Technicolor video, which is darker than the photos of the same event. It's actually pretty similar in color, once the brightness has been boosted:

If I take a photo of the image projected, it comes out similar to the senator print, on my Nikon anyway, it is what the Camera's internal white balance does to the image. Unfortunately any source that is a camera taking an image of a screen will be somewhat useless as a reference. Far too many variables.

The images look nothing like any of those straight out of the scanner, the images I posted are after I have matched the scan to the print.

You may want to post those images on a lighter more neutral background to give a better idea (by eye) of how they look on a TV. The background on OT.COM is blue, (R:72, G:78, B:94) which skews colour perception a lot. The background on these images below is neutral grey (190,190,190), but many will probably think it looks a bit green against the OT.COM background, it should help with seeing the colours correctly though.

The other problem is that these images look completely different on a standard computer screen compared to on a Television of home cinema projector.

That is why my reference monitor and LUTs are for REC.709 or REC.601 depending on the desired target. On that monitor (and on a good TV) the contrast is a little greater and the sky a little more purpley-pink than it looks on the computer screen.

NeverarGreat said:

The final shot of the burning homestead scene...

We need the biggest, most close-up shot you can get of the char-broiled skeletons so we can study them and finally end the debate over which one is Owen and which is Beru.

Ha Ha. That would actually be clearer on the BD I think, as it has come from the Negative.

Asaki said:

NeverarGreat said:

The final shot of the burning homestead scene...

We need the biggest, most close-up shot you can get of the char-broiled skeletons so we can study them and finally end the debate over which one is Owen and which is Beru.

lol