team negative1 - star wars 1977 - 35mm theatrical version (Released) — Page 46

Agreed on imgur. It's what I use.

I used to have no problems with ImageShack, but today I try to zoom into the pictures, and it says I have to be logged in...

TServo2049 said:

Wow, I know people said the Death Star originally looked green, but damn, it REALLY looks green here. The green shadows/pink highlights really remind me of that 1978 bootleg tape AntcuFaalb has...

I assume this is still from the LPP print?

 Different prints and different scanning techniques will deliver different colours.

A print I have is nowhere near as green as those shots. I have no idea if they have colour corrected those shots to any particular print, or at all. I think it is mostly showing the dirt and scratch removal.

Yeah, that is far too green, I think. It looks to be pre-color correction samples.

Nice. I'm sure they'll get around to fixing it, though.

Question: by "partially restored mono track", how much is partial?  The reason is, having now heard your Spanish track and compared it to our existing Belbucus track, it's a big improvement in many areas over what we have now.

Are we talking certain reels, etc?  Just curious.  Many missing non-dialogue areas could likely be patched from the Spanish track.

Certain reels, yes.

Which ones? ;)

Reels 1 & 6 have big long stretches without dialogue which could be patched pretty easily with the Spanish audio.  The middle reels not so much.

I don't know =) I think they might've said on the blog.

Obviously, the two splices have different audio (the intro and the Han/Greedo scene).

Ah OK.  No rush at all (esp considering I'm not sure anyone will do anything useful with them but listen and drool over the possibilities), but if you post them, do it lossless ;)

TServo2049 said:

Could someone more knowledgeable in film projection (poita?) explain again why garbage mattes are not perceptible when a print is projected in a theater?

That's right, with an optical process, getting blacks to match is an absolute nightmare. It is much easier now to push the image and check that it matches perfectly.

The garbage mattes are visible in the cinema however, I remember schoolkids arguing about the TIE Fighter's green-shields and pondering how they worked.

Most people won't notice them though, they are pretty close to black, and there is a lot of motion and laser blasts and other stuff happening. In '77 these effects and action were so damn amazing, that glitches were simply not noticed, you were just too blown away.

It is another of those things that you see once they are pointed out, and they are hard to un-see.

They are faint in the cinema though, mainly because of generational losses in the print making process, grain and relatively (compared to televisions) dim picture all contribute to the mattes being less noticeable. A 35mm projector with clear leader in the gate, in a good cinema will punch out about 14 foot-lamberts, that is considered a nice bright vibrant image. An LCD TV can be up to 140 foot lamberts, or about 10 times as bright. Even an old CRT telly is over 20 foot-lamberts. This makes things like garbage mattes, mismatches on matte paintings etc. stand out more on a TV than at the cinema, and the reduced colour resolution for home video releases can also contribute to it. The blacks get crushed more, shifting them more away from the colour of the garbage matte making it stand out more.

So they are there in the cinema, some people noticed them (like me on the 15th or so viewing at the cinema in '77) but most people didn't unless they were pointed out.

Looking at those images on my calibrated system, the matte boxes aren't really visible, I'd be betting the values for the matte box are around 0,16,0 or less and any values under 16 are displayed as black anyway. On the uncalibrated (overly bright) monitor they stand out like dog's balls.

The left half of the image looks about as green to me as the matte-box as well, so it shows how little variance it takes to have it not match perfectly.

These are awesome. Can't wait to see final version.

team_negative1 said:

The tear above the windshield is gone, but will probably be put back in

It's not a tear, most likely dirt immortalized by being built into the optical wipe. Why are you guys considering to put this particular anomaly back in when you seem to getting rid of every other dirt spots in the film? Or do you plan to re-insert the "black rain" into the saber scenes aboard the Falcon and the speeder pass-by shot as well?

team_negative1 said:

There is a boom mike visible for several frames, this will be cropped out

Yeah, that should fall outside a theatrical framing of 2.39:1, which reminds me, why spending time cleaning up all those splices demonstrated on the last page when it will never be seen anyway if you crop the frames correctly? Seems like a lot of unnecessary work to me. Sure, many of the splices needs attention but still...

msycamore said:

team_negative1 said:

There is a boom mike visible for several frames, this will be cropped out

Yeah, that should fall outside a theatrical framing of 2.39:1...

I take that back as I'm not so sure about it any longer. Would be interesting seeing this frame from your print uncropped.