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I only hope that Marvel doesn't do some of the stuff it's been doing in recent years. I don't mind the occasional character death if it moves the story along, but Star Wars has never had any of the horrible stuff that some Marvel comics have had in recent years.

Keep in mind, Ultimatum had two characters being eaten, by other characters.

I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.

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Cannibalism in a Marvel comic? Implied or shown?

Where were you in '77?

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darklordoftech said:

Am I the only who finds it hilarious that Dark Horse is being celebrated with a comic that brought Palpatine (and Boba for those who don't think he could have made it out of the sarlacc) back from the dead?

1. Marvel brought Boba back first. And put him right back, but arguably the survival odds were better being trapped inside the sandcrawler that fell in, which probably gave the Sarlacc one hell of a tummy ache.

2. Lucasfilm could have said no to bringing both of them back, and didn't. George has had veto power over what the comics do from the beginning.

3. More improbable things have happened in the prequels. ;)

2. If Person A could have stopped person B from murdering somebody and didn't, person B isn't guilty of murder?

3. If person A murders one person and person B murders two people, Person A isn't guilty of murder?

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^This is why, a few exceptions here-and-there aside, I refuse to read modern superhero comics. I'd rather go on a binge of Batman and Superman comics from the Silver Age than read the pretentious torture porn they publish these days.

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darklordoftech said:

SilverWook said:

darklordoftech said:

Am I the only who finds it hilarious that Dark Horse is being celebrated with a comic that brought Palpatine (and Boba for those who don't think he could have made it out of the sarlacc) back from the dead?

1. Marvel brought Boba back first. And put him right back, but arguably the survival odds were better being trapped inside the sandcrawler that fell in, which probably gave the Sarlacc one hell of a tummy ache.

2. Lucasfilm could have said no to bringing both of them back, and didn't. George has had veto power over what the comics do from the beginning.

3. More improbable things have happened in the prequels. ;)

2. If Person A could have stopped person B from murdering somebody and didn't, person B isn't guilty of murder?

3. If person A murders one person and person B murders two people, Person A isn't guilty of murder?

 You're comparing unfavorable plot points to murder? I give up.

Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

darklordoftech said:

SilverWook said:

darklordoftech said:

Am I the only who finds it hilarious that Dark Horse is being celebrated with a comic that brought Palpatine (and Boba for those who don't think he could have made it out of the sarlacc) back from the dead?

1. Marvel brought Boba back first. And put him right back, but arguably the survival odds were better being trapped inside the sandcrawler that fell in, which probably gave the Sarlacc one hell of a tummy ache.

2. Lucasfilm could have said no to bringing both of them back, and didn't. George has had veto power over what the comics do from the beginning.

3. More improbable things have happened in the prequels. ;)

2. If Person A could have stopped person B from murdering somebody and didn't, person B isn't guilty of murder?

3. If person A murders one person and person B murders two people, Person A isn't guilty of murder?

 You're comparing unfavorable plot points to murder? I give up.

 My point was that "they did it too" is not an excuse. My bad.

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That must mean that the new star wars comic series is cancelled as well right along with all post Jedi stories by Del Rey.

Have zero interest in  Disney's rebels or their own comics.  They cancelled the EU and its the only thing that kept star wars alive for twenty something years unless the prequels is a high point for you, for me it was not.

That is not to say the Del Rey stuff has been great its really been shit since LOTF and FOTJ, still the Disney deal really kills any future Zahn books that might have featured Mara. 

Well she no longer exists in the Disney continuity.  Doubt they will let the Zahn trilogy go out of print and try and erase if from history like Lucas did the oot. 

But no more stories will be told in the old EU prime universe.  Its gone and replaced with whatever Disney is replacing it with much like replacing the real star trek with the JJ version.

I'll be furious if legacy series II is cancelled.  Just when i have started to begin to enjoy it.  It belongs to a continuity set after Return of the Jedi that is part of the Zahn post rotj EU. 

The Dark Horse comics continuity going away Is just more proof that the EU as we knew it which began with Heir to the Empire is basically gone.

Which kept me a fan of star wars post return of the jedi.  No fan of Lucas prequels though the EU prior to 1999 made me at least in a mind set to give them a chance  even if the outcome was not too good.

The only EU i wish was no longer canon or erased is the prequels not the Zahn trilogy, or Dark Empire, NJO, legacy etc.

The New Disney continuity is going to break up and put at odds an already fractured fan base.  The oot saga fans VS special editions vs prequel saga fans is going to be added on to Disney VII-IX saga fans.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

But no more stories will be told in the old EU prime universe.  Its gone and replaced with whatever Disney is replacing it with much like replacing the real star trek with the JJ version.

The "Prime EU Universe" started coming to an end when TPM was released and stories started being printed which reflected the universe depicted in that movie. When AOTC rolled around, the prime universe collapsed completely.

What's happening now with Disney are only the final aftershocks of that cataclysm.  

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DuracellEnergizer said:

skyjedi2005 said:

But no more stories will be told in the old EU prime universe.  Its gone and replaced with whatever Disney is replacing it with much like replacing the real star trek with the JJ version.

The "Prime EU Universe" started coming to an end when TPM was released and stories started being printed which reflected the universe depicted in that movie. When AOTC rolled around, the prime universe collapsed completely.

What's happening now with Disney are only the final aftershocks of that cataclysm.  

 Agreed. The Thrawn books don't match the prequels at all.

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Well to be fair when Lucas allowed publishing to go forward in 1991 not only did he not have any intention of making the prequels at the time nothing was even written not even rough form til nov 1 1994 for episode 1.

And if Lucas had no clue of how the story would happen, there is no way even if they wanted to that they could clue Zahn into something that was entirely static and changing up til May of 2005.

Obvious things Zahn wanted were nixed the Noghgri being the Sith race.  Obi Wan's insane  clone.  Heck he even used Dark Jedi  confused as to what Sith meant. 

Darth Vader had always been known as a Sith l but for some reason when they did the publishing line in the 90's everyone was a dark jedi all of a sudden.  Even the emperor, dark luke skywalker etc.  Either the term was off limits or they were confused over its application.

To me one of the dumbest things Lucas came up with was that all Sith had to have Darth in their name.  Palpatine suddenly had another name Darth Sidious.  He could have been a sith Master or acolyte of the darkside without Darth in his name.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

he even used Dark Jedi  confused as to what Sith meant. 

 A Dark Jedi isn't necessarily a member of the Sith while a Sith is.

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But that is later.  In the 1990's the terms were used as if they were the same thing.  or as if Licensing did not allow the use of the term Sith.

Darth Vader was already known as the dark lord of the sith and in Zahn he is referred to as a dark jedi, that is frankly stupid.

Not that i am in any way suggesting they go back and retcon stuff for continuities sake like making Luke a Sith in Dark Empire, or changing the reborn emperors name to Sidious, or redoing tales of the jedi so that Exar Kun's saber is the same colors as Maul's.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

But that is later.  In the 1990's the terms were used as if they were the same thing.  or as if Licensing did not allow the use of the term Sith.

Darth Vader was already known as the dark lord of the sith and in Zahn he is referred to as a dark jedi, that is frankly stupid.

It wasn't known what Vader's "Dark Lord of the Sith" title meant. For all we knew, he received the title from the same spirit that gave the title to Exar Kun.

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  Funny how later SITH became both a race and a religion.  Again continuity in the EU changes so fast and so many times i not even sure if that is true anymore.

Seems like more than Zahn had a similar line of thought.

Not sure if Kevin Anderson/Veitch came up with it or if they had talked to Zahn and came to think the concept worth revisiting.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Dammit, this is a random thoughts thread.  Stop these focused discussions.

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skyjedi2005 said:


But no more stories will be told in the old EU prime universe.  Its gone and replaced with whatever Disney is replacing it with much like replacing the real star trek with the JJ version.
http://www.thetrekcollective.com/p/2014-star-trek-publication-schedule.html

Tell that to a majority of the Star Trek EU.

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TV's Frink said:

I don't see how that's true.

Lot's of general thoughts, but humans can't really have random thoughts. They're all based on thinking of something that made you think of something else. It's all linked in your mind. Hardly random.

I'm just being nitpickey and flippant. I'm snowed in and bored!

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doubleofive said:

skyjedi2005 said:


But no more stories will be told in the old EU prime universe.  Its gone and replaced with whatever Disney is replacing it with much like replacing the real star trek with the JJ version.

http://www.thetrekcollective.com/p/2014-star-trek-publication-schedule.html

Tell that to a majority of the Star Trek EU.

 Have any Abramsverse Trek novels actually come out? I recall a couple that were in the wings were postponed indefinitely some time after the first film came out. The comic was unaffected.

Where were you in '77?