STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 1165

Forget the voices of reason!  Let's lynch the heretic!!!!  Get 'im!!!!

Kill the beast!  Kill the beast!

adywan said:

Isley said:

asterisk8 said:

That guy who did that thing wasn't named because no one involved in the production thought it was important. I agree with them.

 Yeah, I remember hearing Boba Feet's actor (can't remember his name) say that the only concern they had about the character is whether or not the actor would fit in the costume.

 oh that scene. lol. oh well, that will teach me to join the argument when i'm ill.

But i do think that the film works better without him being named.

Okay then, no big deal

darth_ender said:

Forget the voices of reason!  Let's lynch the heretic!!!!  Get 'im!!!!

Kill the beast!  Kill the beast!

 Aw man, not again!! lol

Isley said:

asterisk8 said:

That guy who did that thing wasn't named because no one involved in the production thought it was important. I agree with them.

 Yeah, I remember hearing Boba Feet's actor (can't remember his name) say that the only concern they had about the character is whether or not the actor would fit in the costume.

 lol

Henceforth, he shall now be known as...Boba Feet.

TV's Frink said:

Isley said:

asterisk8 said:

That guy who did that thing wasn't named because no one involved in the production thought it was important. I agree with them.

 Yeah, I remember hearing Boba Feet's actor (can't remember his name) say that the only concern they had about the character is whether or not the actor would fit in the costume.

 lol

Henceforth, he shall now be known as...Boba Feet.

 Hmm maybe that's why he's known for disintegration, too many people were finding out his real name. lol

muddyknees2000 said:

I'd almost wager that they intentionally chose not to name Fett in the film....possibly due to not being able to find a place to slip it in without it sounding too contrived or cheesy. There are multiple points at which they COULD have named him, but don't. For example at one point Leia asks Lando what is to become of Han (after Han's been tortured), to which Lando replies: "He's being given to the bounty hunter."

TV's Frink said:

Isley said:

asterisk8 said:

That guy who did that thing wasn't named because no one involved in the production thought it was important. I agree with them.

 Yeah, I remember hearing Boba Feet's actor (can't remember his name) say that the only concern they had about the character is whether or not the actor would fit in the costume.

 lol

Henceforth, he shall now be known as...Boba Feet.

 Haha! I just noticed my mistake thanks to you :)

Boba Feet hmm... That actually sounds good to me. Let's rename the punk!

lastjedi said:

you know the scene where luke knocks vadar off the platform you see luke jump down and then you see luke's head showing.and that shows he didn't jump down very far.

 Already fixed.

[quote=adywan]

 The flash is there. Like i said before it has just been re-composited for the SE's, but it IS there and it lasts for the same number of frames. From left to right; Original (same as your VHS), Blu-Ray & Revisited:

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The original though is a lot more pronounced and the white blotch works better than the yellow tinted one in the SE. But the background is darker in the original so if the blotch was white in the BD it may not look exactly the same.

It's also a different size and shape.

But I think it looks better in the original without the yellow tint and is a lot more noticeable to the viewer. The SE although clearer in picture has Bleeched out the effect.

Perhaps the sky is too bright in the BD in this shot?

It's a similar problem in the asteroid field chase (and throught the movie) all the Blue Haze in the starfield has been washed out and the tint to the stars (although perhaps considred bad) looked better.

The colors are totally wrong in the last image but it shows up the amount of blue in the black on the right of the picture.

It's a shame that all the color got washed out of the starfield along with the subtle blue haze.

I think the revisited asteroid chase is brilliant with the additional asteroids but because the stars are white they get lost in amongst the distant asteroids in some shots.

Re adding the Blue tint and Haze would also fix this and stay truer to the original. It might even give the shots further depth.

But perhaps not with the large stars shown in this image as amn example. The planet Hoth reflection could also account for the change in coloration in the immediate area of dust but this example image is also too blue but it gets the point over reasonably.

This is perhaps the best example of the damage that has been done to the Look of the film.

Perfectly straight aura around a planet it looks so incredibly unnatural and fake when although the shot looks better by removing the matte lines it lost it's realism totally. You would expect a more or less straight aura at a distance but this close to the planet The original film is more correct and looks better and less harsh.

A quick Mock up using a revisited still trying to replicate a GOUT starfield

Ronster said:

Perfectly straight aura around a planet it looks so incredibly unnatural and fake when although the shot looks better by removing the matte lines it lost it's realism totally. You would expect a more or less straight aura at a distance but this close to the planet The original film is more correct and looks better and less harsh.

Actual photos of the Earth from an even closer vantage point than the above shot:

Why do some people continue to act like Adywan doesn't know what he's doing? It boggles my mind.

Of course he knows what he is doing.. That's the Blu Ray not revisited.

Ady added a defined Aura to this shot which looks much better but in your 2nd photo you can clearly see the Blue Haze coming off the Aura the blue Haze is normal at that distance your photo backs it up. Not like in the Blu ray looks like they just cut the jet black star field into the shot.

The 1st photo photo looks as though it could have been digitally altered..

I am not critiquing his star fields or his work I am talking about Jet Black vs Black / blue tones to give the illusion of more depth.

If Ady wanted to do it he probably already would have done so, or it's a lot trickier than I think it is, or he simply does not like those star fields or the Blue Haze.

I like a lot of what the special editions did, but my personal preference although they can look shoddy at times the star fields appeared to have more depth in the gout because of the Dark Blue / Black and tint. That's what I mean shades of Black / blue.

Ronster said:

Of course he knows what he is doing.. That's the Blu Ray not revisited.

Ady added a defined Aura to this shot which looks much better but in your 2nd photo you can clearly see the Blue Haze eminating off the Aura the blue Haze is normal at that distance your photo backs it up. 

That's not haze. That's light from the sun bouncing off the water and atmosphere and refracting inside the camera lens. It's a trick of the optics caused by the angle and position of the camera. That only happens when you're close to the planet, such as in this photo which I'd guess is about 200 miles up.

In that shot of Hoth, the camera is positioned much further away, probably closer to 1,000 miles. Frankly, the atmosphere in the second shot is extending too far away from the planet. It would appear less than half that thick at that distance. But of the two, I'll take the second one, because it's more accurate than a loose blue haze extending for a thousand miles in every direction.

Personally, I like the idea of varying the color of the stars in spots, but it would have to be subtle so as not to distract from the foreground action, and certainly not a blanket blue like in your mockup.

yeah I am no artist sorry about my skills but thanks for the feedback guys and yeah I probably way over did it. But I think it works in bringing the foreground more prominent a much subtler effect would work just as well.

As for the Aura Haze all I am saying is that again fading into black not straight cutting in to jet black. A much smaller Haze yeah for sure, but I think it should have a Haze more like in your 2nd photo.

If I get you right Ronster, I think you're trying to describe a *very slightly* more gradual 'gradient' of blue aura/haze/atmosphere effect around Hoth in certain closer shots of it.  Like say, there would be a quite pronounced shade of blue nearest to the surface of the planet, which would then fade gradually out to even more transparent and slightly less noticeable 'shades' of faint blueness against the blackness of space. 

If I'm getting you right on that, then I agree, despite some of the pic examples above giving differing results.  It's quite a subtle effect, but it can make a difference.  And it would apply more to shots of Hoth that are nearer to us.  While that would be a nice, if very, very subtle addition, it's no biggie I reckon.

To be honest, I always think the effect around the relative close-up of 'Tattooine' at the start of STAR WARS is a little severe in different versions, and should also have more of the subtle 'gradient' of 'fading' I think you're referring to.  Hard to say, but check out Harmy's Despecialized Edition comparison shots for instance, for examples of how it looks in the GOUT and SE.

Either way, I definitely don't like the notion of making the *starfields* more blue however, as one of the highlights of the 'Revisited' edits for me has been how nicely black and white they are now.  Just as I always imagine 'space' in the STAR WARS movies to look, and just my own opinion of course.

(I'm actually wondering if J.J. will stick to this established 'look' or merely disregard it for something approaching what was seen in parts of his 'Trek' instalments...but I digress)   

Yes exactly you got me 100% correct on the Aura Haze

I actually felt the same way as you about the stardield until the other week. I picked up the 2006 GOUT DVD.

I watched the asteroid field / chase and could not believe my eyes. It's been around 25 years seen I saw the Original film (not the special edition).

I finished watching the asteroid chase and then watched it about another 4 or 5 times and realised how I used to remmeber it so It was a nice moment.

But seeing this scene in particular and looking over stills and comparisons of all the three OT films I realised that all the color is gone from the starfields and the blacks are "Crushed" the contrast and the brightness have been tampered with (Brightness toned down probably for the best) and I looked at Harmys stills and they are all Black and white space starfields too.

So I will just post up some pics of what changed my mind and let you decide if you feel different or not. If we do get a HD restoration of the GOUT you may not be happy... Nah of course you will. If you have it watch it and really you need to see it in film as pictures really don't do it justice. But there is so much vibrancy in it it makes the SE look lifeless. But with that said there's more improvement to Hoth and Cloud city in the SE.

Ok had to stop writing to bid on a copy of "The Blob" 1988 remake and I won!! :)

So the result of the pitch black starfileds are everything gets sunken into the Black.... If like in the original films but perhaps not as extreme there are uses of Blue Black tones foreground objects become more prominent.

But I have a feeling this is not very easy because of the crushed blacks. I painted in a opaque brush and used tint in the mock up I did but this would be tricky as hell to achieve in something like the asteroid filed.:(

I also have a retrofit idea for this scene

When the executor pulls out of the asteroid field we should see that sun that happens to be visible from directly looking out the hole. And perhaps quite imposing

ImperialFighter said:

If I get you right Ronster, I think you're trying to describe a *very slightly* more gradual 'gradient' of blue aura/haze/atmosphere effect around Hoth in certain closer shots of it.  Like say, there would be a quite pronounced shade of blue nearest to the surface of the planet, which would then fade gradually out to even more transparent and slightly less noticeable 'shades' of faint blueness against the blackness of space. 

If I'm getting you right on that, then I agree, despite some of the pic examples above giving differing results.  It's quite a subtle effect, but it can make a difference.  And it would apply more to shots of Hoth that are nearer to us.  While that would be a nice, if very, very subtle addition, it's no biggie I reckon.  

The thing is, ImperialFigher, that's not haze or atmosphere in the pic Ronster posted.  It's bloom created by light convolving inside the imperfect camera lense, caused by close proximity to the planet. It's the same effect as if you hold a light close up to your face in a dark room, the light bounces around inside the lens of your eye and so you get a bleeding effect around it. It's an optical illusion.

I hate to belabor the point, but I'm just trying to get across that this is not a matter of atmospherics, it's a camera artifact. Sophisticated cameras and image-processing can eliminate this light bleed, so it's not right or wrong for the image to have it, but it's a lot less likely to be apparent at a distance, because the planet appears less bright. In the image below, the sun is the brightest source of light, so it has an aura, while the Earth, as a result, has a clean boundary.

ady should just add lens flares and everyone can get on with their day.

Ronster said:

I also have a retrofit idea for this scene

When the executor pulls out of the asteroid field we should see that sun that happens to be visible from directly looking out the hole. And perhaps quite imposing

An interesting idea Ronster, but the suddenly bright white opening seen in this shot has already been nicely improved now to remove it's inconsistency.

As far as the GOUT versions of the movies go, there's certainly a big difference in how the colours and details on them look compared to the SE versions.  Between the colour grading and the 'crushed' blacks, the original look of the movies has been quite drastically altered overall...and the 'asteroid chase' scene you mentioned is a very good example.  I'd love to see the original cuts given a proper HD release someday, but just hope they don't end up overly-'processed' like the SE's are, where the colours etc. are concerned...

But despite the limitations of the source material being used, the new 'starfields' on the 'Revisited' edits seem a vibrant improvement to me compared to the SE ones...so I'm more than happy with them.

asterisk8, having thought about it a bit more, I see what you're saying about 'camera lens effects' etc. when it comes to Earth's aura/haze/atmosphere effect.  I guess I've been used to seeing all kinds of those type of 'optical illusions' you describe from various footage/photos over the years, and have gotten a false impression from them about how things should look.  Your last photo example was especially telling, and I'm very pleased with how the 'Hoth' haze effect is looking throughout 'ESB:R'.

At the start of STAR WARS, I always used to imagine that the Stardestroyer *seemed* to somewhat 'skim the outer atmosphere' of 'Tattooine' at the point where it's rear entered the frame...even though that could also be looked on as a kind of 'lens flare' given off by the effects given to it's rear boosters.  The shot used to have a far more subtle blue effect at that moment, but it ended up looking dreadfully overblown and garish on the SE release unfortunately...and I really miss how it originally looked.  But thankfully, the 'Revisited' version has salvaged that particular muck-up a great deal to get rid of the excess of the SE effect.