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sonofjones said:

To all the people who are insisting Boba Fett was never meant to be named, one of the deleted scenes from ESB was Luke being tended to by Leia and her referring to  Boba Fett by name, a scene that was more likely cut because it interrupted the flow of action in the finale than because it named this apparently nameless bounty hunter that every one on this site knows by name, and yet insists that he's supposed to be nameless. This is my issue, he's obviously supposed to have a name, but the movie simply forgot to say it. No, it dosen't matter what the name of some extra who only has one scene and does one thing is, but it does matter when a guy who is named in literally every single appereance of his, every time he's mentioned, except ESB. That's like trying to make Darth Maul nameless when everyone knows his name already, it's just pointless. Even when the Man with No Name IS named in the movies he appears in, everyone still just calls him the man with no name. The truth couldn't be more opposite with Boba Fett; the movie neglects to name him, and yet everyone knows who he is. The fact that they didn't name him feels more like a hiccup than an intentional story decision.

If you believe he's better off being nameless, then that's fine, to each his own. However, all I did was make one little suggestion which i thought would improve the edit (which as i understand is one of the main functions of this forum to begin with), and some have chosen to just be condescending and rude, which was entirely uncalled for. To those who would rather be condescending and rude, i ask you to remember one of the main goals of the revisited saga is to create an experience everyone can enjoy, not just the die hard fans.

Even if this deleted scene existed, it's irrelevant as it's DELETED. It was not in the final film and it's better for it. He hasn't needed to be named for over 3 decades. Why the hell would he need to be now? It adds nothing.

As for your comment about die hard fans, it's laughable that you think this is purely fanboy opinion. I couldn't give a damn about Boba Fett one way or the other. He serves his purpose and then goes away. He doesn't need a name to do that.

Yes we know his name - due to merchandising and books. That doesn't mean he needs to be named in the film. 

sonofjones said:

This is my issue, he's obviously supposed to have a name, but the movie simply forgot to say it. 

Again, you assert this "obvious" fact, without qualifying it with any evidence. If the movie was "supposed" to have him referenced by name, why didn't it?

sonofjones said:

Bingowings said:

Boba Fett is more menacing and cool unnamed just ask Clint Eastwood. 

I honestly don't find that a valid argument, that's like saying "Darth Maul was a cool villain just ask James Earl Jones"

 Eh? That makes zero sense. A comparision can at least be drawn between Fett and Eastwood (essentially a space cowboy with no name). 

What's the connection between James Earl Jones and Maul? I think you're confused.

It has been months since I've been here.  Glad to see it is still filled with entertaining squabbling.  

It seem to me that Ady's edits are more of making the Special Editions the way they should have been done in the first place.  Adding the name Boba Fett to ESB may work better in a different fan edit, imo.

adywan said:

sonofjones said:

To all the people who are insisting Boba Fett was never meant to be named, one of the deleted scenes from ESB was Luke being tended to by Leia and her referring to  Boba Fett by name, a scene that was more likely cut because it interrupted the flow of action in the finale than because it named this apparently nameless bounty hunter that every one on this site knows by name, and yet insists that he's supposed to be nameless. This is my issue, he's obviously supposed to have a name, but the movie simply forgot to say it. No, it dosen't matter what the name of some extra who only has one scene and does one thing is, but it does matter when a guy who is named in literally every single appereance of his, every time he's mentioned, except ESB. That's like trying to make Darth Maul nameless when everyone knows his name already, it's just pointless. Even when the Man with No Name IS named in the movies he appears in, everyone still just calls him the man with no name. The truth couldn't be more opposite with Boba Fett; the movie neglects to name him, and yet everyone knows who he is. The fact that they didn't name him feels more like a hiccup than an intentional story decision.

 There was no mention of Boba Fett in any of the deleted scenes in the medical bay. Jabba was the only one mentioned. I don't know where you got this one from but you are completely mistaken.

 Sorry Ady but you're wrong. I saw that deleted scene too. It happens inside the Falcon right before it shakes and Leia kisses Luke on the forehead and tells him "I'll be back". She does mention Boba Fett by name.

adywan said:

sonofjones said:

To all the people who are insisting Boba Fett was never meant to be named, one of the deleted scenes from ESB was Luke being tended to by Leia and her referring to  Boba Fett by name, a scene that was more likely cut because it interrupted the flow of action in the finale than because it named this apparently nameless bounty hunter that every one on this site knows by name, and yet insists that he's supposed to be nameless. This is my issue, he's obviously supposed to have a name, but the movie simply forgot to say it. No, it dosen't matter what the name of some extra who only has one scene and does one thing is, but it does matter when a guy who is named in literally every single appereance of his, every time he's mentioned, except ESB. That's like trying to make Darth Maul nameless when everyone knows his name already, it's just pointless. Even when the Man with No Name IS named in the movies he appears in, everyone still just calls him the man with no name. The truth couldn't be more opposite with Boba Fett; the movie neglects to name him, and yet everyone knows who he is. The fact that they didn't name him feels more like a hiccup than an intentional story decision.

 There was no mention of Boba Fett in any of the deleted scenes in the medical bay. Jabba was the only one mentioned. I don't know where you got this one from but you are completely mistaken.

 This wasn't in the medical bay on Hoth, it was right after he got rescued from Cloud City. On the blu ray deleted scenes it can be found.

asterisk8 said:

That guy who did that thing wasn't named because no one involved in the production thought it was important. I agree with them.

 Yeah, I remember hearing Boba Feet's actor (can't remember his name) say that the only concern they had about the character is whether or not the actor would fit in the costume.

sonofjones said:

Bingowings said:

Boba Fett is more menacing and cool unnamed just ask Clint Eastwood. 

I honestly don't find that a valid argument, that's like saying "Darth Maul was a cool villain just ask James Earl Jones"

 Eh? That makes zero sense. A comparision can at least be drawn between Fett and Eastwood (essentially a space cowboy with no name). 

What's the connection between James Earl Jones and Maul? I think you're confused.

 Because Darth Vader and Darth Maul are both supposed to be threatening dark bad ass sith lords (in fact i've heard more than once people saying Darth Maul could've been the Darth Vader of the PT had he not been killed off so early)

sonofjones said:

Darth Maul could've been the Darth Vader of the PT had he not been killed off so early)

Darth Vader was a developed character with an arc. 
Darth Maul was a throwaway villain with no personality and as you say, he dies before anything compelling could come of him.

So it's a pretty useless comparison to draw if it hinges on a hypothetical "If they'd done it differently" scenario. Just saying. 

but to be honest, isn't this whole "naming" thing a main reason, why the prequels are somewhat very stiff ?

in real life, as someone already said, not every person is "introduced", because this person "enters the stage" - no need to know every one per name ... heck, even some persons just give you a nick or part of their name to know!

ok, you might find it odd, but it doesn't "improve" the story or the movie, either to name or remove his from dialogue ...

and making "Darth Maul" more cool without a name could work ;-)

brash_stryker said:

sonofjones said:

Darth Maul could've been the Darth Vader of the PT had he not been killed off so early)

Darth Vader was a developed character with an arc. 
Darth Maul was a throwaway villain with no personality and as you say, he dies before anything compelling could come of him.

So it's a pretty useless comparison to draw if it hinges on a hypothetical "If they'd done it differently" scenario. Just saying. 

 Okay first of all, way to completely take a quote out of context. I'd ask you to remember that i was simply saying that's what OTHER people had said he could've been. Second, the whole point is that it's a useless comparison. Even if Boba Fett is named, we still don't know what he's like as a person, what species he is, how old he is etc. only his name. With Clint Eastwood in the dollars trilogy, we do know what kind of person he is, what he looks like, approximately how old he is etc. so him having no name does add to the mystery. Heck, you could even make the argument that Boba Fett isn't even his real name, just an underworld codename he goes by (which would REALLY make him similar to the man with no name if you insist that's what he's supposed to be).

Also, in response to the whole "real life" thing, in real life people don't use the force to gain inner wisdom, or have droids get them out of trash compactors they fell into while trying to rescue a princess. These are movies. And if that's such a concern, have Han say it with obvious fear in his voice, like Fett's the last person he would want to see, because he knows the type of stuff he's done. Lastly, ANW did this very type of thing twice. Leia introduced Darth Vader and Tarkin this way, should we cut out those?

sonofjones said:

 Okay first of all, way to completely take a quote out of context. I'd ask you to remember that i was simply saying that's what OTHER people had said he could've been. Second, the whole point is that it's a useless comparison. 

You seem to have missed the point again. I was merely pointing out that the comparison you drew to ridicule someone else's comparison was not comparable with their comparison at all. If that makes sense......

sonofjones said:

Also, in response to the whole "real life" thing, in real life people don't use the force to gain inner wisdom, or have droids get them out of trash compactors they fell into while trying to rescue a princess. These are movies. And if that's such a concern, have Han say it with obvious fear in his voice, like Fett's the last person he would want to see, because he knows the type of stuff he's done. Lastly, ANW did this very type of thing twice. Leia introduced Darth Vader and Tarkin this way, should we cut out those?

 Or not have him say it at all, as your idea is stupid and whether you keep trying to justify its inclusion, it's still unnecessary. It adds nothing - as many of us keep pointing out.......

I'm not going to address how your arguments in each new post continue to make less sense, because it just leads to more nonsensical non-points from you. Who cares if people can't use the force in real life (duhhhh!) I'm merely pointing out how realistic characters act within their OWN universe.

Your idea is stupid. That should be enough.

I am astounded you can accuse me of ridiculing someone else's opinion (which I WASN'T doing btw) when you turn around and call my idea stupid just because it is, without even bothering to actually address what it is i'm saying. Once again, you're being condescending, rude and just plain mean without any call for it. If you don't agree with me, fine, again to each his own, but that dosen't give you the license to be a jerk.

Also, in response to the whole "real life" thing, in real life people don't use the force to gain inner wisdom, or have droids get them out of trash compactors they fell into while trying to rescue a princess. These are movies. 

SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! 

sonofjones said:

I am astounded you can accuse me of ridiculing someone else's opinion (which I WASN'T doing btw) when you turn around and call my idea stupid just because it is, without even bothering to actually address what it is i'm saying. Once again, you're being condescending, rude and just plain mean without any call for it. If you don't agree with me, fine, again to each his own, but that dosen't give you the license to be a jerk.

I've already qualified my opinion several times before explicitly calling your idea stupid - which is more than can be said for you with your "clearly he's meant to be named, but the movie just forgot" defence.

adywan said:

Isley said:

asterisk8 said:

That guy who did that thing wasn't named because no one involved in the production thought it was important. I agree with them.

 Yeah, I remember hearing Boba Feet's actor (can't remember his name) say that the only concern they had about the character is whether or not the actor would fit in the costume.

 oh that scene. lol. oh well, that will teach me to join the argument when i'm ill.

But i do think that the film works better without him being named.

 Hope it's nothing too serious. Get better soon Ady :)

And I agree with the film working better this way. The villain of the movie is Darth Vader, Fett is, like I said just supporting cast.

I'd almost wager that they intentionally chose not to name Fett in the film....possibly due to not being able to find a place to slip it in without it sounding too contrived or cheesy. There are multiple points at which they COULD have named him, but don't. For example at one point Leia asks Lando what is to become of Han (after Han's been tortured), to which Lando replies: "He's being given to the bounty hunter."

It was a holiday special AND his segment was a cartoon.....you can get away with things like that in less serious mediums.

ray_afraid said:

sonofjones said:

I am astounded you can accuse me of ridiculing someone else's opinion (which I WASN'T doing btw) when you turn around and call my idea stupid just because it is, without even bothering to actually address what it is i'm saying.

 We've been addressing what you're saying for almost two pages now. You're idea is stupid. Drop it. You can do it yourself once Ady is done.

 I think his idea is a bad one. But do you really need to call people stupid? Let get go of your hate.