muddyknees2000 said:
sonofjones said:
It's the same problem with Qui-gon not being named until the second act of TPM: a character this important and that has this much impact on the plot shouldn't just be some anonymous person. Even if he is mysterious, we should still have something to call him by instead of just "that bounty hunter"
I couldn't disagree more.
Umm okay, is there any particular reason why?
sonofjones said:
Boba Fett is clearly supposed to have a name, but the movie fails to mention it at any point.
Says who?
He's just a Bounty Hunter. Why should we need to know his name? Are the names of Bossk, Dengar, 4-LOM or Zuckuss said in the film? No? Then I don't see your point.
Just because he's popular WITH US doesn't mean he should be significant enough to be named within the universe he inhabits.
Your assumption makes no sense whatsoever.
I'd even go so far as to say that the practically indiscernible (without already knowing what we're listening for) "Boba Fett? Boba Fett? Where?" should be removed from ROTJ:R. I can't help but think it was put in there because the action figure had been given a name and Lucas thought it would help sell more of them.
No those other guys don't have to be named because they have nothing to do with the plot. Fett, on the other hand, is the guy who hunts down the Millennium Falcon, takes Han away to Jabba the Hutt, and is thus resposnible for setting up the beginning of the next movie, which starts off assuming we all know his name even though they don't so much as mention it in passing throughout the entirety of ESB. He's not just significant to fans (heck I honestly am not even a fan of the character myself), he's significant to the story of ESB. Even if you REALLY wanna have it to where we don't even know his name, we should at least have something to call him. Name one other major character in the entire saga who is simply known as "that person that does that thing"
Nobody else looks like Fett, nobody sounds like him (hell, when he walks you can even hear spurs though he's not wearing any), and his role is completely clear.....he's not in any way a "grey area" character. I don't see why he needs any name clarification......"Bounty Hunter" is just fine....in the same way that "Blondie" works perfectly well but is not anyone's actual name, just an assigned nickname due to the mysteriousness of said character.
sonofjones said:
No those other guys don't have to be named because they have nothing to do with the plot. Fett, on the other hand, is the guy who hunts down the Millennium Falcon, takes Han away to Jabba the Hutt, and is thus resposnible for setting up the beginning of the next movie, which starts off assuming we all know his name even though they don't so much as mention it in passing throughout the entirety of ESB. He's not just significant to fans (heck I honestly am not even a fan of the character myself), he's significant to the story of ESB. Even if you REALLY wanna have it to where we don't even know his name, we should at least have something to call him. Name one other major character in the entire saga who is simply known as "that person that does that thing"
What the hell are you talking about? By that incredibly flawed logic, any character who advances the story should be named.
He is a tertiary character. Just because he's significant (for catching Solo - you know, his JOB as a Bounty Hunter) you think there needs to be a naming scene? Why? What does it add to the plot? If you want to justify it with internal logic, the fact he's a BOUNTY HUNTER, is a reason why anonymity might come in handy, seeing as he's probably skirting the law quite regularly to get stuff done.
Furthermore, in real life, people are not introduced by name in such a contrived way. If I need help finding groceries and someone helps me, he doesn't say "I was glad to help you. MY NAME IS BOB FETMAN". Nor would I ask him his name either. It just isn't realistic.
It would only be relevant if the film established some long running vendetta between Fett and Solo and Solo then mentions it in natural conversation, like when he mentions Jabba the Hutt for the first time despite us not actually seeing him until ROTJ. A prior antagonistic relationship is NOT established though so therefore why would we need him to say the guy's name? He might not even know who he is! We, the audience, don't know. That's the beauty of it!
But you don't seem concerned with internal logic. Regardless of what you say, you seem to want him named because he's significant to the AUDIENCE. That's stupid.
What about the Death Star operator who fired the laser in ANH? I think he had a pretty huge bearing on how the plot advanced. What should we call him? Preston McButton?
Or how about the Ewoks. They were instrumental in the Rebels' victory on Endor, yet their entire RACE isn't even named.
This is exactly the kind of "explain everything to the audience" crap that made the prequels so pathetic. "I'm Owen Lars. This is my girlfriend, Beru."
brash_stryker said:
Preston McButton?
F*cking GOLD. LOL.
sonofjones said:
Name one other major character in the entire saga who is simply known as "that person that does that thing"
Bib Fortuna probably has more screentime than Fett but he's never named. The Emperor is never named as Palpatine in the OT. Leia is never refered to as Organa anywhere. Lobot is probably also on screen in ESB as much as Fett without needing a name. Oh and the biggst one, is this random guy...
^ He was in the very first crucial scene in ROTJ (And many others) and because he wasn't named I found the rest of the movie made no sense... even after a hundreds views... Joking ;-)
Not leaving the PT out so just who where these dudes? I only know them as "that person that does that thing"...
This character is in all 3 PT films and I don't know anything about him?
This alien fellow is all over TPM and has numerous lines but I'm none the wiser,
and who the flamin' 'eck was this notorious rogue...
plus this ship was pretty iconic to a lot of kids in 1977...
...but they didn't know what to call it to their friends in the playground until 3 years later at the very end of ESB when a (Nameless) Imperial guy mentions it.
So in conclusion I don't think it's needed, consistent, or desireable to name Boba Fett in ESB:R.
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naming persons/things for the sake of "recognition" only, is called "fanservice", or am I mistaken?
in storytelling it always seems forced to wegde a name into a dialogue that could also work without a strange designation
As for "Boba Fett", the beauty of his "mystery" is to be nameless, like the reference (=> spurs!) - only if Solo or Lando (or Luke) had a long "relationship" with him, a name was "needed" ...
sonofjones said:
Okay, first off, it's not even close to the same thing. The Man with no name was supposed to be nameless (and even then the good the bad and the ugly called him blondie), second Boba Fett is clearly supposed to have a name, but the movie fails to mention it at any point. It dosen't come off as them trying to add to a mysterious character so much as forgetting to mention his name. He's obviously meant to be named, but you have to have outside resources to actually know it.
The so called "Man with no name" bounty hunter has names in all 3 dollars films. In Fistful he's named and credited as Joe, in Good/Bad/Ugly he's refered to as Blondie and in 'A Few Dollars More' he is named as "Manco".
The "Man with no name" moniker was a genius marketing ploy. In a similar way, the less we knew about ESB's own nameless bounty hunter the better.
btw Shouldn't Adywan change this line to...
"Put Captain Solo in the cargo hold of my ship Slave1"
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Ryan McAvoy said:
sonofjones said:
Name one other major character in the entire saga who is simply known as "that person that does that thing"
Bib Fortuna probably has more screentime than Fett but he's never named. The Emperor is never named as Palpatine in the OT. Leia is never refered to as Organa anywhere. Lobot is probably also on screen in ESB as much as Fett without needing a name. Oh and the biggst one, is this random guy...
^ He was in the very first crucial scene in ROTJ (And many others) and because he wasn't named I found the rest of the movie made no sense... even after a hundreds views... Joking ;-)
Not leaving the PT out so just who where these dudes? I only know them as "that person that does that thing"...
This character is in all 3 PT films and I don't know anything about him?
This alien fellow is all over TPM and has numerous lines but I'm none the wiser,
and who the flamin' 'eck was this notorious rogue...
plus this ship was pretty iconic to a lot of kids in 1977...
...but they didn't know what to call it to their friends in the playground until 3 years later at the very end of ESB when a (Nameless) Imperial guy mentions it.
So in conclusion I don't think it's needed, consistent, or desireable to name Boba Fett in ESB:R.
I KNEW there were better examples than what I gave but I drew a blank. Good job :)
Sigh...if only Ric Olie could pop in and comment on that post.
:-(
Please don't make me want to remove Boba Fett from Empire AND Jedi. ;-)
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I'll just add that Boba Fett is an incredibly silly sounding name, and he's better off without it. And PLEASE cut him out of ROTJ:R!
EDIT- If you're a prequel person (ugh) then he was named three films ago. Also he was called by name in the Holiday Special animated feature.
Boba Fett? I can understand why Ady wants to revert to his old voice but we don't need to know his name, this guy is just supporting cast anyway.
Yeah, I say Ady oughta just remove Han's Boba Fett lines out of Jedi to maintain his anonymity.
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sonofjones said:
Okay, first off, it's not even close to the same thing. The Man with no name was supposed to be nameless (and even then the good the bad and the ugly called him blondie), second Boba Fett is clearly supposed to have a name, but the movie fails to mention it at any point. It dosen't come off as them trying to add to a mysterious character so much as forgetting to mention his name. He's obviously meant to be named, but you have to have outside resources to actually know it.
I think it's backwards. Boba Fett didn't need to be named. He needed to be the mysterious stranger, and if anything ROTJ screwed by naming him.
Not sure how it's obvious he should have been named either.
To me this is a non issue. No offense meant. Just my simple opinion.
Hammerhead was never named, and sorry, he's the coolest guy ever..I mean, he has a hammerhead for a.... head!
Same as Walrus man, Squid head, Yak face, Snaggletooth, all cool guys who were never named...Prune face....
We should have Mark Hamill record some dialog so Luke names them as he sees them in the Cantina for ANHRHD.HotRod said:
Hammerhead was never named, and sorry, he's the coolest guy ever..I mean, he has a hammerhead for a.... head!
Same as Walrus man, Squid head, Yak face, Snaggletooth, all cool guys who were never named...Prune face....
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mrbenja0618 said:
sonofjones said:
Okay, first off, it's not even close to the same thing. The Man with no name was supposed to be nameless (and even then the good the bad and the ugly called him blondie), second Boba Fett is clearly supposed to have a name, but the movie fails to mention it at any point. It dosen't come off as them trying to add to a mysterious character so much as forgetting to mention his name. He's obviously meant to be named, but you have to have outside resources to actually know it.
I think it's backwards. Boba Fett didn't need to be named. He needed to be the mysterious stranger, and if anything ROTJ screwed by naming him.
Not sure how it's obvious he should have been named either.
To me this is a non issue. No offense meant. Just my simple opinion.
That scene wasn't too bad, Han was kinda blind at that stage & Chewie was keeping him right,......maybe the dialogue could have been "Who Chewie?....he's here?......where?"
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Jaitea said:
mrbenja0618 said:
sonofjones said:
Okay, first off, it's not even close to the same thing. The Man with no name was supposed to be nameless (and even then the good the bad and the ugly called him blondie), second Boba Fett is clearly supposed to have a name, but the movie fails to mention it at any point. It dosen't come off as them trying to add to a mysterious character so much as forgetting to mention his name. He's obviously meant to be named, but you have to have outside resources to actually know it.
I think it's backwards. Boba Fett didn't need to be named. He needed to be the mysterious stranger, and if anything ROTJ screwed by naming him.
Not sure how it's obvious he should have been named either.
To me this is a non issue. No offense meant. Just my simple opinion.That scene wasn't too bad, Han was kinda blind at that stage & Chewie was keeping him right,......maybe the dialogue could have been "Who Chewie?....he's here?......where?"
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In don't hate the scene. I actually find it funny how he died. In fact, BECAUSE he dies in that "slipping on a banana peel" way he for sure should not have been named.
To all the people who are insisting Boba Fett was never meant to be named, one of the deleted scenes from ESB was Luke being tended to by Leia and her referring to Boba Fett by name, a scene that was more likely cut because it interrupted the flow of action in the finale than because it named this apparently nameless bounty hunter that every one on this site knows by name, and yet insists that he's supposed to be nameless. This is my issue, he's obviously supposed to have a name, but the movie simply forgot to say it. No, it dosen't matter what the name of some extra who only has one scene and does one thing is, but it does matter when a guy who is named in literally every single appereance of his, every time he's mentioned, except ESB. That's like trying to make Darth Maul nameless when everyone knows his name already, it's just pointless. Even when the Man with No Name IS named in the movies he appears in, everyone still just calls him the man with no name. The truth couldn't be more opposite with Boba Fett; the movie neglects to name him, and yet everyone knows who he is. The fact that they didn't name him feels more like a hiccup than an intentional story decision.
If you believe he's better off being nameless, then that's fine, to each his own. However, all I did was make one little suggestion which i thought would improve the edit (which as i understand is one of the main functions of this forum to begin with), and some have chosen to just be condescending and rude, which was entirely uncalled for. To those who would rather be condescending and rude, i ask you to remember one of the main goals of the revisited saga is to create an experience everyone can enjoy, not just the die hard fans.
brimforge said:
naming persons/things for the sake of "recognition" only, is called "fanservice", or am I mistaken?
in storytelling it always seems forced to wegde a name into a dialogue that could also work without a strange designation
As for "Boba Fett", the beauty of his "mystery" is to be nameless, like the reference (=> spurs!) - only if Solo or Lando (or Luke) had a long "relationship" with him, a name was "needed" ...
I couldn't disagree more on this. Honestly, it seems like insisting that he be nameless is more the fanservice than keeping him named, because it seems like the hardcore fans are the only ones who have any issue with him being named.
Boba Fett is more menacing and cool unnamed just ask Clint Eastwood.
That guy who did that thing wasn't named because no one involved in the production thought it was important. I agree with them.
Bingowings said:
Boba Fett is more menacing and cool unnamed just ask Clint Eastwood.
I honestly don't find that a valid argument, that's like saying "Darth Maul was a cool villain just ask James Earl Jones"