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DuracellEnergizer said:

 

darklordoftech said:


The EU is far worse than the prequels.


If this isn't the stupidest thing I've ever read on the Internet, it sure as hell is damn close.

 

 What's "stupid" about stating a preference?

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Because anyone who makes the claim that the Thrawn Trilogy is worse than the PT is obviously lacking in brain cells.

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Play nice kids, or at least take it elsewhere...

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darklordoftech said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

darklordoftech said:


The EU is far worse than the prequels.

If this isn't the stupidest thing I've ever read on the Internet, it sure as hell is damn close.

 What's "stupid" about stating a preference?

You forgot to put "IMO" after your statement. That's why everyone* is jumping down your throat about something being worse than the prequels.

 

 

* "everyone" refers to the people that care about the EU.

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IMUHO, anyone who prefers the PT to Thrawn needs to pay more attention.

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Davnes007 said:



darklordoftech said:


DuracellEnergizer said:


darklordoftech said:

The EU is far worse than the prequels.


If this isn't the stupidest thing I've ever read on the Internet, it sure as hell is damn close.


 What's "stupid" about stating a preference?


You forgot to put "IMO" after your statement. That's why everyone* is jumping down your throat about something being worse than the prequels.


An "IMO" could never justify such an objectively inane statement.

All IMO, of course ;-)

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IMICO

In My Incredibly Controversial Opinion

This coming from a guy who actually enjoyed Dark Empire.

I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.

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Eh, there's nothing wrong with enjoying Dark Empire. Thinking it's an example of stellar writing, on the other hand ...

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I checked out Dark Empire since Bingowings and I talked about it in the TFU2 thread.

The art is awesome. Hypnotic, even.

But I walked from the story feeling like it was pretty pointless. I was disappointed we never actually saw a dark side Luke (hey, if that's the hook, which it was, stick with it). Instead all he does is stand among some Imperials and glare at people, all the while sabotaging Palpatine's plans while Palpatine is fully aware of the sabotage and happy for it.

 

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Eh, there's nothing wrong with enjoying Dark Empire. Thinking it's an example of stellar writing, on the other hand ...

Eh, I thought it was an interesting art-style and had some cool action scenes. Not the best writing ever, but Star Wars has seen far worse.

I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.

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Tack said:In My Incredibly Controversial and Idiotic Opinion

I was expecting mass agreement with my criticism of the EU. I've never met anybody who would prefer the Ssi-ruuk or Waru over Jar Jar.

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ray_afraid said:

^Wouldn't it be IMUO?

What do I look like, an acronymist?

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OK, maybe that was a bit too harsh on my part. You're entitled to your opinion, but frankly most of us like a good deal of the EU. Not to mention you state it as fact rather than just say "I don't like the EU very much". No one would've complained about that.

I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.

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darklordoftech said:


I was expecting mass agreement with my criticism of the EU. I've never met anybody who would prefer the Ssi-ruuk or Waru over Jar Jar.


That's what you get for stepping outside of Bizarro World.

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Davnes007 said:

Yes, they would have.

Well surely we're beyond criticizing other people's-

...you know what, I'll shut up now.

I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.

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Davnes007 said:

Yes, they would have.

You are right, sadly. For some reason criticising something with the "Star Wars" brand that's not written by George Lucas is considered trolling.

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Everyone is forgetting the Vong and the resurrected emperor were 2 ideas that came out of Marvel comics.  They never happened because the series was cancelled.

 

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Everyone is forgetting the Vong and the resurrected emperor were 2 ideas that came out of Marvel comics.  They never happened because the series was cancelled.

 

Pardon? Dark Horse bought the comic rights well before the Vong were conceived. And I don't even think the Vong were derived from comics, but started with NJO.

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darklordoftech said:

Davnes007 said:

Yes, they would have.

You are right, sadly. For some reason criticising something with the "Star Wars" brand that's not written by George Lucas is considered trolling.

No, that right there is considered trolling.

Oh, and coming back again and again too.

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Here's why I hate Thrawn: I feel that the Empire should die with Palpatine. To have the Sith and/or the Empire outlive Palpatine undermines Palpatine's death and all that the heroes of the original trilogy fought for.

The reason I always hate on the EU is that on many pro-EU websites I've seen people saying that the sequel trilogy should make sure not to contradict the EU. I was appalled at the idea of the movies making sure to be consistent wih other material, so I joined a community that is known not to be particularly fond of the EU, and that community is originaltrilogy.com.

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<blockquote><p><strong>Reegar</strong> said:</p><p>I checked out Dark Empire since Bingowings and I talked about it in the TFU2 thread.</p>
<p>The art is awesome. Hypnotic, even.</p>
<p>But I walked from the story feeling like it was pretty pointless. I was disappointed we never actually saw a dark side Luke (hey, if that's the hook, which it was, <em>stick with it</em>). Instead all he does is stand among some Imperials and glare at people, all the while sabotaging Palpatine's plans while Palpatine is fully aware of the sabotage and happy for it.</p>
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Dark Side Luke would have been another Vader. What we saw was more interesting--an inchoate Dark Side Luke. Someone in the process, but not quite there yet. Veitch was exploring how Vader might have fallen, by showing us Luke's stepwise descent and the rationalizations he makes along the way. It also parallels another one of Veitch's characters, Ulic Qel-Droma from Tales of the Jedi. (It's like poetry, it rhymes.) But where Ulic killed his brother to protect his power, Luke, knowing the price of that power from his father's example, repents and rejoins his sister in the light.

I don't think Luke's climactic turn would have been believable with a fully Dark Side devoted Luke. Veitch chose to explore how a zealous Darksider could come back to the light side with Kam Solusar. Though his full story was never published, it involved years of solitude and lingering guilt even after he reintegrated with society--not something Veitch could do to Luke.

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Your post revolves around a rickety statement. How would dark side Luke necessarily be another Vader? It would make as much sense to say that of any dark side user other than Vader or the Emperor.