Is it just me, or do most people who call Superman a bland/overpowered/dick/etc. superhero happen to be people who
1. have read few to any of the comics?
2. have read only the Silver & Bronze Age comics?
3. have read only The Dark Knight Returns?
4. only know the character from the Chris Reeve movies and/or silly Saturday morning cartoons from the 60's & 70's?
I can see how someone would jump to that conclusion watching Man Of Steel.
DuracellEnergizer said:
Is it just me, or do most people who call Superman a bland/overpowered/dick/etc. superhero happen to be people who
1. have read few to any of the comics?
2. have read only the Silver & Bronze Age comics?
3. have read only The Dark Knight Returns?
4. only know the character from the Chris Reeve movies and/or silly Saturday morning cartoons from the 60's & 70's?
Why the rant, DE?
DuracellEnergizer said:
Is it just me, or do most people who call Superman a bland/overpowered/dick/etc. superhero happen to be people who
1. have read few to any of the comics?
2. have read only the Silver & Bronze Age comics?
3. have read only The Dark Knight Returns?
4. only know the character from the Chris Reeve movies and/or silly Saturday morning cartoons from the 60's & 70's?
The "silly" cartoons and Christopher Reeves movie are my favorite Superman products. The whole idea of Superman is goofy and silly and even more so when the material is handled with an overly serious tone. I grew up reading comic books and hanging out in the comic shop and still do with some regularity, so I'm no stranger to Superman (silver, bronze & golden). I'm in the "Superman is overpowered and silly" camp. Most of the time when he's in some kind of trouble or trying to get someone else out of trouble, it's impossible to not say something like "Why don't you just use your _____ power?!?!". When the tone isn't so serious, it's easier to dismiss such things and just have fun with it.
ray_afraid said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
Is it just me, or do most people who call Superman a bland/overpowered/dick/etc. superhero happen to be people who
1. have read few to any of the comics?
2. have read only the Silver & Bronze Age comics?
3. have read only The Dark Knight Returns?
4. only know the character from the Chris Reeve movies and/or silly Saturday morning cartoons from the 60's & 70's?The "silly" cartoons and Christopher Reeves movie are my favorite Superman products. The whole idea of Superman is goofy and silly and even more so when the material is handled with an overly serious tone. I grew up reading comic books and hanging out in the comic shop and still do with some regularity, so I'm no stranger to Superman (silver, bronze & golden). I'm in the "Superman is overpowered and silly" camp. Most of the time when he's in some kind of trouble or trying to get someone else out of trouble, it's impossible to not say something like "Why don't you just use your _____ power?!?!". When the tone isn't so serious, it's easier to dismiss such things and just have fun with it.
Agreed! I'm in that camp as well.
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I think stores that have decided to open Thanksgiving Day should be boycotted. Let the employees enjoy Thanksgiving Day with their families.
Warbler said:
I think stores that have decided to open Thanksgiving Day should be boycotted. Let the employees enjoy Thanksgiving Day with their families.
What if the employees prefer to work that day?
We used to get triple pay for working the bigger bank holidays and got offered days off away from the holiday season.
It makes sense for you to boycott them because obviously you will be celebrating and won't be going to the shops but a general boycott doesn't make sense to me.
They are providing a service for people who don't find the same days special.
It's probably the same reason you have to give a phone number or alternate e-mail to access hotmail.
The internet has gone off and stinks a bit.
I'd chuck it out and get a new one but I'm evil and smell anyways so I don't really care enough.
Bingowings said:
Warbler said:
I think stores that have decided to open Thanksgiving Day should be boycotted. Let the employees enjoy Thanksgiving Day with their families.
What if the employees prefer to work that day?
What if they don't? I doubt there are many that would prefer to work Thanksgiving Day. Please remember that this is a holiday you know little about cause you are not from America.
And Thanksgiving isn't necessarily a religious holiday. Many do use it as such to be Thankful to God and all that, but one doesn't not have to believe in any God(s) to celebrate Thanksgiving. For some, it is just a day to relax, enjoy being with family, eat turkey and enjoy the football(not fútbol) games.
Bingowings said:
We used to get triple pay for working the bigger bank holidays and got offered days off away from the holiday season.
It makes sense for you to boycott them because obviously you will be celebrating and won't be going to the shops but a general boycott doesn't make sense to me.
They are providing a service for people who don't find the same days special.
No, what they are doing is trying to make more money by starting the Black Friday sales earlier and earlier and earlier. They are ruining Thanksgiving Day and Thanksgiving Dinner for countless employees. It is greed at its worst. It used to be the stores opened at sane hours on Black Friday. Then they started opening extremely early on Black Friday 6am . . . 5am . . . 4am . . . Until it got to the point where some started opening 12am. Now some are opening on Thanksgiving itself. They are each trying to beat each other. Pretty soon stores won't close on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. They will just open be constantly 24 hours a day until News Years day. It is against everything the holiday season should be about.
Please remember you don't have to be American to understand American things. We have our own complex and bizarre food days, often celebrating a particular point of view of an event that might not have happened too you know :-D
Indeed a lot of Americans probably think Thanksgiving is a pain, or historically offensive or fun but not that big a deal.
Some people don't have families to celebrate with and it's depressing spending feast days on your own if you think feast days are important. I personally like to spend Christmas with my family because it's important to them and it's a good chance to see people I don't normally get a chance to but I'm not a child anymore and not a Christian so the actually day holds no value to me outside the value it has to others (does that makes sense?).
If I could work a day that allowed someone who cared passionately about the holiday to have the day off (and I got a bit more for it) I may come to the conclusion that the day itself isn't worth the sacrifice of the possibility of added money value for my hours of finite lifespan. These are the decisions adults have to make.
Other people may agree with the spirit of the holiday but not like their families or not have friends available so they might as well work even if it's just for the regular wage.
Being forced to work a holiday without compensation of any kind is horrible but I assume if the day was that important to you and your employer was so unreasonable you would look for work elsewhere.
Being forced not to work a holiday because the holiday is important to someone else is a bit daft though.
Bingowings said:
historically offensive
ok please explain this.
Bingowings said:
Being forced not to work a holiday because the holiday is important to someone else is a bit daft though.
why would someone give a damn about being forced not to work a holiday, when they are are still paid for that day??????
Warbler said:
Bingowings said:
historically offensiveok please explain this.
You wouldn't understand, you don't root for the Redskins.
The Redskins are totally offensive. And not defensive. They need a more balanced game.
*sigh*
TV's Frink said:
Warbler said:
Bingowings said:
historically offensiveok please explain this.
You wouldn't understand, you don't root for the Redskins.
Warbler said:
Bingowings said:
Being forced not to work a holiday because the holiday is important to someone else is a bit daft though.
why would someone give a damn about being forced not to work a holiday, when they are are still paid for that day??????
Maybe because they are grown adults who shouldn't be forced to DO anything, especially if they are reasonably compensated for not doing what other people assume they should do.
Bingowings said:
TV's Frink said:
Warbler said:
Bingowings said:
historically offensiveok please explain this.
You wouldn't understand, you don't root for the Redskins.
yeah, I know we did terrible things to the native Americans. The way we treated them was a disgrace. But to me, thanksgiving isn't about that. Thanksgiving recognizes one rare time where we sat down together for a meal in peace. Thanksgiving recognizes a time where we actually got along with each other. I don't know how recognizing that event and being thankful for what you have could be considered offensive.
Bingowings said:
Warbler said:
Bingowings said:
Being forced not to work a holiday because the holiday is important to someone else is a bit daft though.
why would someone give a damn about being forced not to work a holiday, when they are are still paid for that day??????
Maybe because they are grown adults who shouldn't be forced to DO anything, especially if they are reasonably compensated for not doing what other people assume they should do.
so let me get this straight, you are concerned about grown adults being forced against there will to take a paid off, but you don't give a damn about other grown adults being forced to work a holiday thus ruining said holiday for them and there families and also said holiday meal?
Yeah, you make absolutely no sense to me. No one gets upset about being given a paid day off for holiday they don't celebrate. I've never heard of a Jewish person complain about being given a paid day off on Christmas. You are either playing devils advocate with me or just disagreeing with me because you like to come down on the opposite side of debate with with me or whatever.
I'd like to hear from others on this issue of stores opening on Thanksgiving, especially other Americans.
Warbler said:
I think stores that have decided to open Thanksgiving Day should be boycotted. Let the employees enjoy Thanksgiving Day with their families.
I'd imagine some people find it offensive because they consider it a whitewash.
A fairy story interpretation of a minor historical event that flies in the face of the broad sweep of history... just guessing.
And as I say I can imagine circumstances why some people would rather work a holiday than not.
I can also see a viable solution to employees being forced to work a holiday against their judgement that don't revolve around a general boycott that might endanger their job the other days of the year.
As for you personally I imagine you wouldn't be out going to shops and restaurants on Thanksgiving anyway so your personal boycott is already in place for that day of the year.
For the other days of the year it's up to you where and how you spend your hard earned cash.
DuracellEnergizer said:
Is it just me, or do most people who call Superman a bland/overpowered/dick/etc. superhero happen to be people who
1. have read few to any of the comics?
2. have read only the Silver & Bronze Age comics?
3. have read only The Dark Knight Returns?
4. only know the character from the Chris Reeve movies and/or silly Saturday morning cartoons from the 60's & 70's?
I think it's pretty obvious that Bingowings likes to play devil's advocate with you on almost any occasion. You see things rather black and white, while he tries to give you a more nuanced perspective. I don't agree with him most of the time, but I want to make it clear why he argues with you more than others
I agree, I don't like the idea of opening the store on Thanksgiving Day. I participated (for the very first time, mind you) in a Black Friday event last year, and of course I did it on Thursday instead. I saw a friend of mine who worked at Wal-Mart, and I could see he was not enjoying himself one bit, and I am confident he did not want to be working there at all. He was scheduled to work, and if he chose not to, he probably would have faced disciplinary action of some sort. It made me sad, and again, I don't agree with it. But in our nation of supply and demand economics, the demand is there, the supply is coming, and folks aren't going to boycott it enough to end the practice. Sadly, it's probably here to stay.
Back to the argument, if you don't like hearing Bingo's perspective on something, you don't have to respond. You don't have to put him on ignore because he's not usually offensive, but sometimes it's better just to pass up on an argument rather than trying to prove you are right. He's pretty set in his views as well.
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