brash_stryker said:
OT:R should be viewed 100 years from now.
Assuming it's finished by then.
Harmy said:
That I would consider a tragedy. Revisited is great but I really don't think that it should be the version that is viewed a 100 years from now, just as the SE shouldn't be.
Agreed.
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True.Harmy said:
That I would consider a tragedy. Revisited is great but I really don't think that it should be the version that is viewed a 100 years from now, just as the SE shouldn't be.
greedo said:
brash_stryker said:
OT:R should be viewed 100 years from now.
Assuming it's finished by then.
brash_stryker said:
greedo said:
brash_stryker said:
OT:R should be viewed 100 years from now.
Assuming it's finished by then.
Joking, I couldn't resist!
Honestly, I'm of the opinion both versions should be watched and enjoyed for many generations to come, especially since I have no doubt that the PT:R will be FAR superior to the actual PT, so future generations will be able to watch an actual good trilogy along with the OT. After all, Adywan and the revisited team have worked very hard on this project (much as the original trilogy team did) and they aren't even getting paid, they're just doing it as a labor of love. I think it's fair to say such dedication and passion deserves to be recognized and rewarded by having people watch and (for the most part) enjoy. I can honestly say that the Revisited Saga is the first version I'll show my kids, and the one I'll personally watch regularly once it's completed. Don't get me wrong, I'll show them the original versions too (especially if the sequel trilogy is any good), but a) the Revisited Saga has already taken two amazing films and made them even better and promises to improve on the flaws of the remaining four films and b) it's well known that (unlike the actual saga), the films will be meant to be watched in chronological order, which definitely gives it a distinct advantage.
I agree and simply don't understand why some people (not referring to anyone in previous comments before offence is caused) seem to think that only one version deserves to be preserved for future generations. This isn't Highlander FFS! The beauty of Fan Edits is giving us choice, rather than forcing a particular version on us as the 'Definitive', which is what George is trying to do and is the whole reason this site exists!
I'd be delighted if numerous different versions would be catalogued and preserved in 100 years, even the SE as even though it's an inferior misstep, it's still part of the history of the franchise.
With the dedication that the community have put into it, Revisited is as much a part of this history as any other release, surely? I mean, it's a community the original releases gave rise to, after all.
The real issue is that it's far more of a danger that the SE will be the only version left in 100 years, and that's a sad possibility.
I agree that no "definite" version should be the one and only one people view in 100 years, and it's great how people can choose their preferred Star Wars experience.
Unless someone transfers these edits and preservations to a more reliable medium, they will all be wiped with the next major solar flare event.
Which is overdue.
So the only Star Wars anyone will see in 2113 will be faded film stock (probably 1997SE) and most of the prequels and all of the ST will be lost forever.
well that documentary on the special edition VHS changes narrated by george should be included in revisited.
This one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcqAxYon-Qw
And as he talks about stuff that was done it gets a approval stamp or a rejected stamp. or possibly extended laser disc documentary on the special edition release would be something many would not have seen including me..
I think that would be quite amusing too.
Bonus feature preservation is best left to other projects, not Revisited.Ronster said:
well that documentary on the special edition VHS changes narrated by george should be included in revisited.
This one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcqAxYon-Qw
And either as he talks about stuff that was done it gets a approval stamp or a rejected stamp. or possibly extended laser disc documentary on the special edition release would be something many would not have seen.
I think that would be quite amusing too.
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Bingowings said:
...and most of the prequels and all of the ST will be lost forever.
So that at least gives us SOME hope for the PT: "Erased... from existence!"
The terrible direction and acting but the story will live on in the novelisations and comics.
I suppose if the planet was destroyed...
Cheer up Bingo!
Oh I'm insanely happy at all times *cackles* :-D
Except that they were still printed onto film to be showed in theaters, unless they were ordered to destroy all of them afterward! I'm assuming you're referring to them being made digitally when you say they will be wiped out. I'm also aware you're kidding, so 'lol' and such.
I'm not kidding.
Even film stock would require a reliable power supply and replacing huge chunks of most projectors to work again.
umm, why has this thread been highjacked into "morbid discussion about how end of the world= the end of Star Wars" territory...?
Ok let's keep the conversation flowing on topic although I really don't have much to add than I already have.
182 - Removed SE additional shots of Vader walking to shuttle and the shuttle approaching and docking with Executor
Is this still the way it is going to be or has there been any change to this decision?
I saw a pic that someone did explaining that Vader could walk out on to the Landing Platform and have the shuttle painted out even if he says "Bring my shuttle" and I seem to remember Ady saying that he did not mind this shot or atleast this is the best one of a (bad) bunch.
I totally understand removal of the other scenes especially docking with the executor with out doubt needs to go.
Although I am quite keen on the shuttle flying away from Bespin towards the executor but It is in an awkward place and there really is no way to put it in earlier because of the way the sequence is laid out. I don't think this one is too damaging to the film or the music. But I am not really upset about the cuts just wondering if this has changed in 5 years or it's still concrete?
If the music was not the way it was I would have put the shuttle in while Lando is meant to be scrambling about to get Luke on the top of the falcon... Then cut back to Tie's and Leia saying "Lando" but this is not possible with the music score. But that would have been the way it could have been done best, If they had thought about it a bit more when editing the Special edition and re-shaping the scene properly to accomodate it properly And use the natural gap that got cut anyway.
Such a shame this footage has never seen the light of day too.
Razer Radek tried a reconstruction here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCpz2Wv5r3c&list=UUrA1pU4qdwNvou9ZvfoYbLA
Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't almost every element of Vader walking to the shuttle wrong (the buildings, the suit, the actor's relative height etc).
It also screws up the score cues.
So even if you could work out a way to get value out the concept the footage itself it practically beyond salvage.
To be honest I really am not so good with scaled visuals but for someone like me it looks ok (not an expert on this). Somebody else suggested it anyway. I could really do with watching the original theatrical releases again because I can not hear the difference in the music score from this and the special edition to have a real good opinion on it As for Buildings and costumes I just see cloud city and Vader although a crumby CGI one.
Problem is you can not pick them up now so easily the theatrical releases and you can't find it either on youtube or alike so It makes having a proper opinion difficult unless you own the theatrical release of which is now OOP.
I don't know if there is any real value in it per say it's about opening out cloud city I suppose my main point which is my opinion is that when they did the SE the shuttle should have been in the gap where Lando is pulling Luke across the top of the falcon The other idea is someone else but it caught my interest.
Either way by the sounds of it there is loads of omitted score from both theatrical and special edition because scenes were cut out It does not play this way in the film it is edited although without hearing it I cannot be sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfubGDQRT9Y
What's more interesting is also that the script is different from the movie also.
1. Vader is meant to see the falcon departing and say's bring my shuttle
2. Scene re-arrangement going on.
Here is the script section.
EXTERIOR: CLOUD CITY -- LANDING PLATFORM
Vader enters the landing platform and watches as the speck
that is the Falcon disappears. The wind blows at his cape.
He turns to two aides who are standing near the entrance to
the landing platform.
VADER: Bring my shuttle.
EXTERIOR: BOTTOM OF CLOUD CITY -- WEATHER VANE
Nearly unconscious, Luke hangs upside-down on the weather
vane as his body shifts in the wind.
EXTERIOR: MILLENNIUM FALCON -- BOTTOM OF CLOUD CITY
The Falcon dives to the underside of the floating city.
Three TIE fighter close in on the starship.
INTERIOR: MILLENNIUM FALCON
Leia tries to remain calm.
LANDO: (pointing out the cockpit window) Look, someone's up there.
LEIA: It's Luke. Chewie, slow down. Slow down and we'll get under him.
Lando, open the top hatch.
Lando rushes out of the cockpit.
EXTERIOR: BOTTOM OF CLOUD CITY -- WEATHER VANE
Luke hangs by one arm from the crossbar of the weather
vane. He slips from the bar and grabs onto the pole of the
vane as the Falcon banks toward him. The Falcon positions
itself under Luke as Lando moves up through the opening of the
hatch. Luke begins to slide and finally falls from the vane
into space.
INTERIOR: MILLENNIUM FALCON -- COCKPIT
Out the cockpit window, Leia sees Luke falling from the
bottom of the city. The ship gains on him.
LEIA: Okay. Easy, Chewie.
The Falcon closes in on Luke.
EXTERIOR: BOTTOM OF CLOUD CITY
Three TIE fighters race toward the Falcon, firing away.
INTERIOR: MILLENNIUM FALCON -- HATCH
The hatch pops open with a hiss of pressure. Lando reaches
out to help the battered warrior inside the ship.
INTERIOR: MILLENNIUM FALCON -- COCKPIT
Flak bursts all around it as the Falcon banks away from the
city. Leia and Chewie struggle with the controls.
LEIA: (into intercom) Lando?
LANDO: (over intercom) Okay, let's go.
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So the script is back to front a bit It's no wonder they cut Vader seeing the falcon as it had already turned back by this point. And the scene with Leia saying "Easy Chewie" was brought forward in the order, this suggests Luke was meant to fall further on to the Falcon and they caught him. This whole sequence is a bit of a jigsaw and I think it must of went through a number of different versions. From Script to filming ideas they had.
The almost symphonic perfection of Luke's rescue was totally ruined with the SE addition of Vader's shuttle.
Totally unnecessary and it disrupted the pacing and beats of what was a very tight edit in that sequence.
Williams' score on the soundtrack sets the tempo for that entire scene and re-cutting it to add Vader's shuttle was a huge jolt that fractured what was perfection.
There is no enhancement needed whatsoever to the edit of that scene the way it was released.
Vader's three-word command was the epitome of bad-ass and fit with his entire character for that movie. If they were ordered to 'bring it', then there's no reason to show Vader walking to it.
The original cut was perfect the way it was. I'm glad Adywan is restoring it to how we best prefer it.
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Well, I know this topic has been talked about a lot before, but I'll bite, only because I didn't have the chance to discuss it those times long ago :)
I disliked the SE addition of the shuttle leaving Bespin and especially hated that recycled shot from ROTJ of it landing, for the same obvious reasons that anyone else disliked those shots.
But I must admit, that particular SE long-view shot of Vader and co. walking on the platform didn't bother me, for a few reasons:
The side-view shot was done 'artistically' in that way, so for that, it visually looked good to me (Ady could do touch-ups wherever needed).
The music cue and chase sequence were not interrupted by this short addition, since it was placed immediately after Vader's dialogue - in fact, I'd argue that it added slightly more 'heft' to that otherwise short clip of Vader (unlike the other SE clips where they were intrusive where they were placed and threw off everything, so these must definitely be left out).
Lastly, it showed a good first reveal of Vader's shuttle. This is the main reason why I liked this particular SE clip, we see a good proper first view of his shuttle, instead of always inferring how Vader gets around. I think it is deserving to actually see his shuttle just once in ESB (prior to ROTJ), and here seems to be the only proper place to show it.
There has to be one significant change to this shot though. Instead of showing Vader's shuttle sitting there already waiting, his shuttle must be seen just starting to land and touching down on the platform. This is the only way I could see this clip working. It should be obvious that there is a time lapse between his "Bring my shuttle" line and the footage of him walking the landing platform, but at least this way it wouldn't seemingly contradict his previous demand.
At the very least, this was fun to finally lay out my 2 cents on this topic :)