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Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD** — Page 72

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Making a NEW star wars holiday special... now THAT is an idea that I could definitely get on board with.  But only if George Lucas directs, and Justin Bieber stars in it.  If CPY is also in it, it will be the greatest thing of all time.

The Ewok movies were the new Holiday Specials, from a certain point of view. ;)

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NeverarGreat said:

http://latino-review.com/2013/10/exclusive-working-titles-star-wars-episode-vii/

The short:

Rise of the Jedi and Return of the Sith were titles given by Lucas to Disney for consideration.

So IF Latino Review's story is truthful (big IF), then this is potentially very spoilerish of the ideas that George has "downloaded" to JJ Abrams, and does not give me much faith in where this series is headed. If Lucas really has so little inkling of the possibilities of this franchise that he can only think that bringing back the Sith after they were finally destroyed is a good idea, then JJ might as well give up right now. Either that or ignore Lucas's suggestions and do his own thing.

I'm hoping for Rise Of The Planet Of The Wookiees and The Dark Lord now.

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SilverWook said:

People keep forgetting the chapter titles of the very thing that inspired Lucas in the first place.

http://flashgordon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Serials_Chapters

Star Wars: The Tournament of Death would be an awesome stand-alone movie.

Captured by Shark Men, not so much.

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NeverarGreat said:

http://latino-review.com/2013/10/exclusive-working-titles-star-wars-episode-vii/

The short:

Rise of the Jedi and Return of the Sith were titles given by Lucas to Disney for consideration.

So IF Latino Review's story is truthful (big IF), then this is potentially very spoilerish of the ideas that George has "downloaded" to JJ Abrams, and does not give me much faith in where this series is headed. If Lucas really has so little inkling of the possibilities of this franchise that he can only think that bringing back the Sith after they were finally destroyed is a good idea, then JJ might as well give up right now. Either that or ignore Lucas's suggestions and do his own thing.

I wouldn't mind having Sith again. First, because I really don't fall for the "chosen one" crap from the prequels. One can't permanently destroy the Sith. There can always be some force user who can proclaim himself a Sith.

Secondly, because 30 years after battle of Endor seems like an extremely boring period. If the story was set in period immediately after battle of Endor (imo by far the most interesting era) then the possibilities for villains would be great (imperial remnant officers, criminals trying to benefit from gradual collapse of Empire etc.). But unfortunately it is not.

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The "Jedi vs. Sith" thing is played out and tired. If they need evil Force-users to appear in the ST, then they can use Dark Jedi or come up with a new darkside religion.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

The "Jedi vs. Sith" thing is played out and tired. 

This, 100%

Time to move away from the tiny corner of the universe that George can't think outside of.  

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DuracellEnergizer said:

The "Jedi vs. Sith" thing is played out and tired. If they need evil Force-users to appear in the ST, then they can use Dark Jedi or come up with a new darkside religion.

Call me stupid but aren't 'Sith' and 'Dark Jedi' basically the exact same thing???

I've no problem with there being 'Sith' in EpVIII. Dark Force vs Light Force is what Star Wars is all about. It's like saying, oh no not another Klingon confrontation in Star Trek, I'm done with seeing the Doctor face of against the Daleks or lets kill off the Joker because there is nothing interesting that can be done with that character and Batman anymore.

It's down to the writing. Sith are gonna be in it, they just need to have good lines, good plots and great performances.

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NeverarGreat said:

Star Wars: The Tournament of Death would be an awesome stand-alone movie.

Captured by Shark Men, not so much.

What's wrong with Shark Men?

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Ryan McAvoy said:

aren't 'Sith' and 'Dark Jedi' basically the exact same thing???

To me (as I did not read every novels nor comic books) the Sith are like an ancient religion. Once there are no more Sith, you can't have more Sith. Unless someone learns to use the Force from a Sith holocron, directly from a dark lord of the Sith.

So, to me you can have:  Sith Lords, or Dark Jedi (a Jedi who turns evil but without the help of a Sith Lord) or a random guy that knows the ways of the Force and do bad things with it without being a Jedi nor a Sith.

So yeah... they are more or less the "same thing" in the sens that they are all people using the Force for doing bad things or for their own interest. But as a matter of plot they are all a bit different.

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TMBTM said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

aren't 'Sith' and 'Dark Jedi' basically the exact same thing???

To me (as I did not read every novels nor comic books) the Sith are like an ancient religion. Once there are no more Sith, you can't have more Sith. Unless someone learns to use the Force from a Sith holocron, directly from a dark lord of the Sith.

So, to me you can have:  Sith Lords, or Dark Jedi (a Jedi who turns evil but without the help of a Sith Lord) or a random guy that knows the ways of the Force and do bad things with it without being a Jedi nor a Sith.

So yeah... they are more or less the "same thing" in the sens that they are all people using the Force for doing bad things or for their own interest. But as a matter of plot they are all a bit different.

To me, once you start down the dark path, go against the teachings of the Jedi and use the powers with aggression.....you're a Sith knight.

The Dark Jedi thing came in the years between Star Wars & Episode 1 because the word Sith (which was introduced in Star Wars as Darth Vader's title 'Dark Lord of the Sith') wasn't explained as being the opposite of a Jedi until Ep 1

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Tobar said:

NeverarGreat said:

Star Wars: The Tournament of Death would be an awesome stand-alone movie.

Captured by Shark Men, not so much.

What's wrong with Shark Men?

I love how the history of the Karkarodons ends with this:

Later, another Unidentified Karkarodon was shown at the Republic Judiciary Central Detention Center who provoked Rako Hardeen (Obi-Wan Kenobi in disguise) and got his hand stabbed with a fork.

Lolwut.

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Prior to the PT, there really was a stark difference between the Sith and Dark Jedi (the EU of the 90's depicted the ancient Sith as more of a race than an organisation, and they weilded alchemically-forged swords instead of lightsabers), but Lucas along with the lamebrain EU writers who followed in his wake watered them both down into a monogamous pile of blandness.

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Here is my spoof. Star Wars episode VII No Hope.

What’s worse George Lucas changing the OT or selling the rights to Disney

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Does anyone think we will see Jedi returning from exile?  Not necessarily any familiar faces, nor the actual act of showing up out of nowhere, but rather some sort of passing reference to the fact that some Jedi may have survived the purge and have returned to help Luke with his New Jedi Order.

I would love to have an older Jedi thrown in to fill the void of the wise old Jedi.  It's actually a shame that Lucas had most of the familiar Jedi faces killed off in ROTS, because that would be one of the few connections to the PT that I wouldn't mind seeing.  They would be able to convey an innate knowledge of the failures that took place in the past, and be helpful in maintaining a more steady order.  You could argue that Luke will be the wise older Jedi, but I think his story will be slightly too prominent to carry the mystery and gravitas of, say, old Ben or Yoda.

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If Lucas has been planning this for a while, Ahsoka leaving the Jedi Order on TCW might be more than just explaining away why she isn't in ROTS. Her still being around after all these years isn't implausible.

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There's also the possibility that Mace Windu is still alive out there somewhere. He got electrocuted, lost his hands, and got thrown out of a building. If Luke could survive what happened to him on Cloud City after (at most) a few months training, there's no reason to think one of the most powerful Jedi Masters at the time of the purge couldn't have survived the injuries we saw Windu take.

 

Not that this is really my idea -- I've seen people talking about how he should have survived and shown up in the EU in the past, and it's a passable argument. Not compelling enough to say he /did/ survive, but a good enough excuse if he happens to show up at some point.

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The less references to PT or TCW, the better. Preferably none.

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imperialscum said:

The less references to PT or TCW, the better. Preferably none.

I agree.  That whole sad era is over.  ideally there will be zero connection between the ST and that unfortunate PT era garbage.

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So, it's become that one relative nobody ever wants to mention by name at Thanksgiving dinner? As much as some people would like to forget those movies exist, it's simply not going to happen. It's called The Star Wars Saga, not the two movies we really like, plus the third one we don't like as much. ;)

Not referencing the PT at all would be pretty distracting. (And TCW is better than the prequels by a mile.) I don't see how they could even avoid mentioning Coruscant at least once. It would be like a political thriller not making mention of Washington D.C.

As I've said before, it seems pretty clear Yoda was sensing Mace die in ROTS, so I don't see him coming back. Unlike Luke in Cloud City, he got fried pretty good by Palpatine.

 

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Technically, Coruscant was there before PT.

Well I don't mind seeing some stuff introduced in the prequels (planets, double-bladed lightsabre etc.) but I don't want to see crap like "midichlorians" or "chosen one" and certainly don't want to see any characters from the prequels (for example using Hayden as Anakin's ghost is the stupidest thing I can think of atm).

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Has everyone forgotten that Yoda clearly stated in ROTJ that Luke was the last of the Jedi? I figured that if he was able to sense Luke on Tatooine and watch him, he would easily have been able to locate any other Jedi who managed to survive the purge. If another Jedi did survive, that makes two Jedi who lied to Luke's face.

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NeverarGreat said:

Has everyone forgotten that Yoda clearly stated in ROTJ that Luke was the last of the Jedi? I figured that if he was able to sense Luke on Tatooine and watch him, he would easily have been able to locate any other Jedi who managed to survive the purge. If another Jedi did survive, that makes two Jedi who lied to Luke's face.

good point!  I also dont wanna see anything PT or CW related.  As far as im concerned, the ST is a clean slate with a blank canvas for Abrams and Disney to create on.  I sure hope Abrams uses Sebastian Shaw's spirit(cgi of course) rather than Haydens if that part of the story.

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True, but Yoda didn't fess up about dear old dad until Luke asked him point blank. Mentioning someone who was likely too far away to be of any help in the current situation wasn't what Luke needed to hear.

If Yoda couldn't sense any survivors after Order 66, going back to rig the Jedi Temple transmitter to send a warning to stay away seems pointless.

Ahsoka left the order, and they cancelled her membership, so it can still be true from a certain point of view. ;)

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