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  I know there were fullscreen releases, they're just not available to me.

   By the way, I just had a look at your "Make Mine Music". Good job!

   Now here's something someone might be able to help me with: the Brazilian R4 NTSC release of "Melody Time" was based on the R1 and has, therefore, the censored version of the "Pecos Bill" segment, missing a line in the song...

   I heard, however, that many of the European PAL discs have the Portuguese dubbing, and since they are uncut, I imagine so is their audio. Could someone make the Portuguese track available?

   A few pointers on how to convert it to NTSC would also be welcome, as I'm not very good with these things.

Thanks for trying to help, Doctor M.

   According to a Disney discussion board in Portugal, the Portuguese edition has the Portuguese audio, and there was even a disc available on a public tracker ( but no longer seeded ) which includes English, German, Spanish and Portuguese.

   I'm not sure I can post the link over here, so I might have to keep you AT BAY , but the torrent was 4,37 GB.

P.S. I just got your "Melody Time". Looking forward to it.

TLM made it to Switzerland, and I have just visited there and had a look:

The picture looks fantastic, really the best the film has ever looked on home video, but the editing mistakes are glaring, and should be fixed.

The sound is better than the DEHT, but is not the same as the 1997 mix, voices are heard on the front speakers as well, while on the 1997 mix, they are limited to the center channel.

Overall, with the DTS cd's of the 1997 mix and the Stereo mix from the LD, some mild editing on the BD can make it the best edition.

Well, I got the European BD, and more importantly, I found a software that allows for frame-by-frame editing, Solveigmm.

It has a short learning curve and the result is lossless, as no encoding is involved.

So I fixed the reversed shots on "Part of That World" and now I have a 16 GB video file (Without the sound that can be added later).

Other than the opening titles and the cut instead of fade when Scuttle is introduced, what would it take to put that edition on the top of the list?

Audio wise, as I had said, Jetrellfo's DTS cd's and a LD rip of the Stereo soundtrack (I can upload a small rip with the new mix for comparison and synching reference if needed)

Oh, I thought I made it clear that I did that.

Edited the previous post to reflect that.

Solveigmm only allows me to trim the video in a very exact manner, but not much more.

It does however does what it's supposed to do without a hitch.

nirbateman said:

Well, I got the European BD, and more importantly, I found a software that allows for frame-by-frame editing, Solveigmm.

It has a short learning curve and the result is lossless, as no encoding is involved.

So I fixed the reversed shots on "Part of That World" and now I have a 16 GB video file (Without the sound that can be added later).

Other than the opening titles and the cut instead of fade when Scuttle is introduced, what would it take to put that edition on the top of the list?

Audio wise, as I had said, Jetrellfo's DTS cd's and a LD rip of the Stereo soundtrack (I can upload a small rip with the new mix for comparison and synching reference if needed)

As soon as I get my internet situation fixed I will make sure TLM is bumped up the "todo" list.

As soon as I get my internet situation fixed I will make sure TLM is bumped up the "todo" list.

Awesome, let me know if you need the video.

nirbateman said:

Well, I got the European BD, and more importantly, I found a software that allows for frame-by-frame editing, Solveigmm.

It has a short learning curve and the result is lossless, as no encoding is involved.

So I fixed the reversed shots on "Part of That World" and now I have a 16 GB video file (Without the sound that can be added later).

Other than the opening titles and the cut instead of fade when Scuttle is introduced, what would it take to put that edition on the top of the list?

Audio wise, as I had said, Jetrellfo's DTS cd's and a LD rip of the Stereo soundtrack (I can upload a small rip with the new mix for comparison and synching reference if needed)

Can changing the cut to Scuttle to a crossfade be easily fixed or did they remove frames?  Other than that and the new placement of "Walt Disney Presents," the only other changes that would need to reversed for a true theatrical version is:

1) Priest's knee reinstated

2) Some animation that was changed (very minor, but if you want to be nitpicky)

3) Original Walt Disney opening instead of the new one.  This can be found in its original form on the "Pocahontas" Blu-ray.

Also, is the LD stereo rip from the original 1990 LD?

Can changing the cut to Scuttle to a crossfade be easily fixed or did they remove frames?  Other than that and the new placement of "Walt Disney Presents," the only other changes that would need to reversed for a true theatrical version is:

1) Priest's knee reinstated

2) Some animation that was changed (very minor, but if you want to be nitpicky)

3) Original Walt Disney opening instead of the new one.  This can be found in its original form on the "Pocahontas" Blu-ray.

Also, is the LD stereo rip from the original 1990 LD?

Well, I'm not sure they removed frames, as a dub I attached from the PE fitted perfectly once I changed the opening fanfare to it.

I know of the priest's knee, but I don't know of any other animation changes, and I'm not that big of a purist when it comes to TLM since I didn't have the old VHS during my childhood.

The reversed shots did trouble me since it was a stupid mistake to make, and had to be corrected.

Adding the original fanfare is interesting, but that would mean re-encoding it so it could be merged with the rest of the film, and since the bit rate isn't constant, I'm not sure how well it would work.

The DTS from it could be very useful however, in editing soundtracks for LD rips. For example, the Diamond DTS of BATB.

As to the Stereo rip, I don't have one yet, but I would assume whoever does that would use the original LD.

I don't have the expertise to re-paint the film like other members, but I can definitely upload the fixed video if someone would like to take a crack at it.

nirbateman said:

Can changing the cut to Scuttle to a crossfade be easily fixed or did they remove frames?  Other than that and the new placement of "Walt Disney Presents," the only other changes that would need to reversed for a true theatrical version is:

1) Priest's knee reinstated

2) Some animation that was changed (very minor, but if you want to be nitpicky)

3) Original Walt Disney opening instead of the new one.  This can be found in its original form on the "Pocahontas" Blu-ray.

Also, is the LD stereo rip from the original 1990 LD?

Well, I'm not sure they removed frames, as a dub I attached from the PE fitted perfectly once I changed the opening fanfare to it.

I know of the priest's knee, but I don't know of any other animation changes, and I'm not that big of a purist when it comes to TLM since I didn't have the old VHS during my childhood.

The reversed shots did trouble me since it was a stupid mistake to make, and had to be corrected.

Adding the original fanfare is interesting, but that would mean re-encoding it so it could be merged with the rest of the film, and since the bit rate isn't constant, I'm not sure how well it would work.

The DTS from it could be very useful however, in editing soundtracks for LD rips. For example, the Diamond DTS of BATB.

As to the Stereo rip, I don't have one yet, but I would assume whoever does that would use the original LD.

I don't have the expertise to re-paint the film like other members, but I can definitely upload the fixed video if someone would like to take a crack at it.

I've noticed a few minor changes, only because I've been noticing them for years. For example, they smoothed out the animation of Ariel when she is climbing onto the wedding ship.  Very minor and probably not worth the effort to "fix." I think the priest's knee is worth fixing.  I also think restoring the original fanfare is worth it as well, if it can be done.  Again, I don't have much knowledge in this area, so I am not sure.

I have the original LD, but I currently don't have the equipment to rip audio.  If anyone with the right equipment wants to rip the audio, I will gladly provide my copy for use.

Hello everyone,

I have just registered here, after reading this interesting thread! A thread containing, by the way, the most links I have ever seen to "our" discussion over at:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=204278

:D :P Thanks for that! ;)

I just wanted to add a few things to the Cinderella discussion.

First of all, in the first post of this thread it says my Cinderella comparison contains "VHS vs 2005 DVD Screenshots". It is, however:

VHS 1997 vs. BD 2012 (Diamond)

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=6399775#post6399775

And then "Doctor M" says: "I previously argued that there is more detail in the laserdisc.  I now strongly believe those alarmist screenshots being posted are cherry picked to favor the laserdisc.  Here are my comparison screenshots:" http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Recommended-Editions-of-Disney-Animated-and-Partially-Animated-Features/post/653541/#TopicPost653541

To the uneducated reader that may sound like you're saying: "The BD isn't that bad." Of course I know that is NOT what you're saying... :P It's more like: "The LD isn't that good either", isn't it? So maybe some cherry picking was necessary to make the LD look good, but I can assure you there is absolutely no picking of any kinds of fruit involved in the comparison between the BD and my good old PAL VHS from 1997!

To show you what I mean, I made a second, smaller comparison with the exact shots you posted... Now look at that:

http://members.chello.nl/h.h.j.f.beens/temp/Cinderella_VHSvsBD_4.jpg

Yes, of course the BD seems sharper, but the level of detail on the VHS is unmatched! And on top of that those weird, artificial colors of the BD!... :(

So to conclude, until Disney releases a new, proper restoration, I really would be very interested in that restoration project you were talking about over here! :)

Welcome, Freddy2, and thank you for the input.  I hope you are cool with your screenshots being linked.  Those sort of comparisons are really impressive and extremely difficult to replicate.  (Especially when analog sources are involved.)

The fairy dust looks like lost detail, but you can actually count the specks in both versions and the only real difference is that it is now smaller in diameter.

Whatever method you used to take those VHS screenshots would be a great way to make a VHS2DVD transfer.

In the case of Cinderella that's a problem since there are no digital home video releases that predate the restoration.  Snow White in an even worse situation since I've seen no pre-restoration home video version at all.

Doctor M, I was thinking about this last night. Have you taken in account the topless woman controversy into consideration when finding a purist version of The Rescuers? I know it's an extremely minor point, but I think it's worth pointing out. 

I know when Disney released it on Home Video for the second time, they caught the frames and recalled the VHS. I don't think the frame was in the first DVD release.