Bingowings said:
The Rebel base could have been on another continent.
It's a planet sized moon and they weren't there for that long.
Yeah, but try explaining that to the viewer.
timdiggerm said:
Bingowings said:
The Rebel base could have been on another continent.
It's a planet sized moon and they weren't there for that long.
Yeah, but try explaining that to the viewer.
He just did. In the film, one quick line of dialog would patch it up. Or maybe Endor could be Yavin 3?
Making Endor and Yavin one and the same seems almost like universe shrinkage to me.
Forest moon/Jungle moon, metal planet killing space station, Tatooine, Dune, desert planet (not to mention three reactors going bang).
I think Jedi has shrunk the universe beyond it being an issue.
The only thing that would change would be the names.
Heck having it the same planet keeps the universe big, from a certain point of view.
If the identical or near identical places are the same place it leaves the unexplored, different places different enough to explore with your imagination.
Moreover, though, it'd make the film feel even more like an ANH retread, from a certain point of view.
Somehow a new Death Star around a different forest moon feels more or a retread than returning to the one we already know to have existed.
Geonosis is Tatooine Red and it appears in the same film as Tatooine Orange but doesn't feel any more exotic.
In terms of story it makes more sense to me if Geonosis and Tatooine were the same planet too.
It leaves room for more exotic places in my mind that one world of desert.
I like this idea.. if you ARE going to have so many references to ANH, then why not make it a bit more logical? In fact, would it be conceivable to show a few ewoks on the picture fringe in the shot after the Falcon lands on Yavin 4 and you see the gang in front of the South American temple? Again, you'd only see them at a distance and in that one shot (say somewhere on the left of the screen, or possibly in the foreground moving branches aside/out of the way of the camera akin to some of the shots in SASQUATCH: THE LEGEND OF BIGFOOT), but it would be enough so when you get to JEDI:R, it would imply that the ewoks ARE familair with the rebels, as they kept an eye on them while they were staying there 4 to 6 some odd years prior.
It would also give some more motivation for the Empire, as they are not only repairing "Tarkin's folly", but have been scouring Endor for rebel secrets they may have left behind in the years since ANH. You can add a mission for the rebels in JEDI in that they have to destroy what is left of their old base, to make absolutely sure the Empire has nothing to salvage.
I still like the idea of rebels that have long infiltrated the Empire, as both stormtroopers and officers, and could be both on the DS and on the ground.
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For the reasons already stated putting Ewoks in ANH might short circuit the idea.
ewoks could still be a surprise, we don't see jabba in ANH for example (well we SHOULDN'T see jabba in ANH)
re-using yavin would be a retread, but what if it had changed since ANH?
there will be the corpse of the death star floating in orbit, with chunks of it floating around like asteroids.
much of the former rebel base could be burnt out and scorched, assuming the empire had attacked it later on. new footage of rebel soldiers could mention how brutal the following imperial attack was, suggesting that they might expect a similar treatment should they fail.
I honestly don't think there would be anything left of the Death Star going by the schematics shown on Yavin4, the main reactor is in the central core, the explosion would blow everything outward, no chance the crust could survive
J
These are the same plans that have the weapons dish on the equator?
Frank says
Well, unfortunately for you all, the plans are to be changed. I hope you're adaptable, Dr. Scott I know Brad is.
I'm not crazy about re-using Yavin.... If the Empire wanted to reuse the Death Star, it would make sense for them to tow the remains to a a more secure location of Endor where they could put up a shield generator to protect it instead of keeping things put in a place the Rebels are already familiar with.
Bingowings said:
These are the same plans that have the weapons dish on the equator?
Frank says
Well, unfortunately for you all, the plans are to be changed. I hope you're adaptable, Dr. Scott I know Brad is.
The main point is the core explodes blowing the thing apart
Perhaps if the dialogue was changed
General Dodonna: 'The approach will not be easy. You are required to manoeuvre straight down this trench and skim the surface to this point. The target is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. the shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start will start a chain reaction which should cause a bit of a fire.'
J
You yourself have given the ideal get out clause for anyone wanting to use the concept.
"Should"
they don't know do they?
They have the plans, they skim through them in a matter of hours, if that and they devise a course of action which does crack the station like an egg ( and probably killed everyone inside) and allow them time to escape but doesn't turn the thing into glitter as in the theatrical cut.
Just so we're clear, you're suggesting changes to ANH, a very good movie, that would remove the big finale explosion (or at least most of its intensity), in order to fix small problems in ROTJ, a decent movie.
timdiggerm said:
Just so we're clear, you're suggesting changes to ANH, a very good movie, that would remove the big finale explosion (or at least most of its intensity), in order to fix small problems in ROTJ, a decent movie.
BOOM.
timdiggerm said:
Just so we're clear, you're suggesting changes to ANH, a very good movie, that would remove the big finale explosion (or at least most of its intensity), in order to fix small problems in ROTJ, a decent movie.
In my view Return Of The Jedi is a pretty awful movie with some really good bits in it.
ANH is a really good movie with one bit in it i don't mind being changed (in a fan edit) if it can make that pretty awful movie less awful and more in line with the 'real goodness' of the previous two films.
¡BANG!
muddyknees2000 said:
timdiggerm said:
Just so we're clear, you're suggesting changes to ANH, a very good movie, that would remove the big finale explosion (or at least most of its intensity), in order to fix small problems in ROTJ, a decent movie.
BOOM.
Or, after they're done with it: pffffft
With all the alterations Geordie did to ANH why not change the ending to an anti-climax!
Does this mean Tarkin could still be alive?:)
J
Ideas posted on here are going to be for everyone so I appreciate it not rocking your boat but I wasn't suggesting not having a visually exciting explosion that fulfills the story requirement of preventing the weapon from killing our heroes, seriously slowing down the Empire and taking out key villains like Tarkin.
I'm just suggesting leaving a chunk behind that can later be built upon in the third film.
If there wasn't another Death Star in orbit around another forest moon in the third film sure glitter is fun way to take out the big metal ball thing.
But as there is another one and it's thrown together and fully working in a couple of years rather than a couple of decades leaving a chunk behind is an idea.
Clearly not an idea you like but it's an idea.
I'm all for good ideas on how to repair the weaknesses in ROTJ, but not at the expense of ruining a masterpiece
J
It's hardly ruining (especially in a fan edit) The original explosion isn't an essential ingredient to the film..
Indeed a different more lumpy explosion might be an improvement, giving it a bit more scale than a firework.
you do make a point Jaitea, but as bingo said these are just ideas. no harm in talking about them. i'm concerned aswell about it being too much of a retread as mentioned earlier.
if DSII was a rebuilt DSI, it might be interesting to take the idea back into the PT aswell and have the seperatists actually start building the skeleton of the beast at geonosis. the republic could blow it apart as part of the battle, but essentially it would survive to become the Death Star, perpetuating itself again as this unkillable entity.
its ultimate defeat in ROTJ would be an immense payoff.
It would be an interesting alternate version. Of course the change would be to the detriment of ANH, but it would be a plus to the coherence, consistency, and (perhaps) quality of the trilogy as a whole.
Also nice would be that it fixes an apparent plot hole in ROTS wherein the Death Star takes 20 years to build.
We don't know in the scope of the six movies that it took twenty years to make the "first" Death Star.
It's entirely possible that there were earlier versions that didn't work, maybe they fired up the superlaser and it tanked the whole thing. Back to the drawing board as they say. Perhaps they made one that was sabotaged ("there'll be no one to stop us this time......").
What we do know is that there is 20 years between trilogies and that one is seen under construction at the end of #3. That doesn't mean that the one that you see at the end of #3 is the same one in #4.
