lets just say: Lucasfilm messed this one up!
it really was intended to be the same ship, as merchandise and novel show, but in the making of ROTS they used another model for the ship or made too many mistakes ...
The Tantive III?? :D
George creates Star Wars.
Star Wars creates fans.
George destroys Star Wars.
Fans destroy George.
Fans create Star Wars.
When do you think we might see some pictures?
So while I'm in the process of still ripping all my blurays back to my computer, I thought I'd steal a screencap from bluray.com and process it to show off my new film grain method. I should note that the blue lightsabers look a tad too cyan, I accidentally over did changing the blue a bit, otherwise this is getting closer to what you'll see. I'm also having some issues with Obi's skin tones still.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/35462
This new grain method was created by upscaling the 1080p to 4K (I made the mockup through photoshop CC, so I used the new "preserve details" algorithm) and then carefully denoised the footage to get rid of upscaling artifacts and (slight softening was also added to emulate the softer 35mm texture) then added the grain (through camera raw for this one, but I will use misfire for the real thing). I then downscaled the footage using bicubic to make sure no additional sharpening or smoothening was applied. This allows the grain to be less obtrusive and more natural.
emanswfan said:
So while I'm in the process of still ripping all my blurays back to my computer, I thought I'd steal a screencap from bluray.com and process it to show off my new film grain method. I should note that the blue lightsabers look a tad too cyan, I accidentally over did changing the blue a bit, otherwise this is getting closer to what you'll see. I'm also having some issues with Obi's skin tones still.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/35462
This new grain method was created by upscaling the 1080p to 4K (I made the mockup through photoshop CC, so I used the new "preserve details" algorithm) and then carefully denoised the footage to get rid of upscaling artifacts and (slight softening was also added to emulate the softer 35mm texture) then added the grain (through camera raw for this one, but I will use misfire for the real thing). I then downscaled the footage using bicubic to make sure no additional sharpening or smoothening was applied. This allows the grain to be less obtrusive and more natural.
I'm no expert on film grain effects, but shouldn't the grain look stretched from the theoretical anamorphic stretching process?
valinkrai said:
I'm no expert on film grain effects, but shouldn't the grain look stretched from the theoretical anamorphic stretching process?
Well, I didn't make the mockup in AE as I'm still downloading and reinstalling all my programs and plugins. Yes, the grain will be stretched to fit the anamorphic process.
emanswfan said:
valinkrai said:
I'm no expert on film grain effects, but shouldn't the grain look stretched from the theoretical anamorphic stretching process?
Well, I didn't make the mockup in AE as I'm still downloading and reinstalling all my programs and plugins. Yes, the grain will be stretched to fit the anamorphic process.
Oh good. I did it right on the video I used film grain for then. At the same time, I'm a little sad I've delved deep enough into forums like this to actually think to account for that. Eh. Who needs being normal.
Sh-Booms. Aside from ship glows all of this was done with simple filters. Don't know how it would be in motion, but looks good still framed. The bad CGI is best hidden in the shadows if you see below. The good CGI should be brought out a little more.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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I see what you mean by limiting the view of bad CGI in shots and making good CGI more noticeable. I'll have to try it out, but the shots you do post appear odd, and not filmic, though that's probably stemming from using basic filters to process the image.
I really like that look :-)
wish there was a "filter" for "bad story/dialogue" ...
I like the recoloring too; those sabers just about look like Luke's in ANH. I'm definitely keeping my fan editing files around until this is released, so I can re-encode with this as the source.
Another shot (again with non-anamorphic grain):
Another screenshot with nonanamorphic grain and proper filmic adjustments:
That's beautiful, makes you notice all the detail in those buildings.
emanswfan said:
I see what you mean by limiting the view of bad CGI in shots and making good CGI more noticeable. I'll have to try it out, but the shots you do post appear odd, and not filmic, though that's probably stemming from using basic filters to process the image.
Yeah, the problem being, I can do amazing visual work to screencaps, but to try to do the same thing, I lack the processing power and the sheer skills to pull it off in motion.
I recently made an edit of The Hanging Tree for my own enjoyment, and while it looked really good in Vegas, it was washed out on my television. Of course, I wasn't trying to make it look like a masterpiece either, just trying to undo some of the horrible technicolor yellowing.
Angel who I think disappeared used to post some screenshots on here that would make your jaw drop, but he'd never tell anybody how he got the results.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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EyeShotFirst said:
Angel who I think disappeared used to post some screenshots on here that would make your jaw drop, but he'd never tell anybody how he got the results.
I've seen all of his stuff, and it's amazing what he had been able to do. Some of what I've been doing has been inspired by his work, and I've figured out how to do some of the things he did but not all. Some are just mind blowing, but honestly I'm not sure Angel could have done that stuff in motion as easily.
First 3 minutes of ROTS color corrected (no audio, unedited):
No radical color correction here, just filmic look, subtle grain, and some reduction of the yellow tint. Still tweaking it, but it certainly looks closer to what I'm trying to get.
emanswfan said:
First 3 minutes of ROTS color corrected (no audio, unedited):
No radical color correction here, just filmic look, subtle grain, and some reduction of the yellow tint. Still tweaking it, but it certainly looks closer to what I'm trying to get.
Wow does that look good in motion. The stills were impressive enough, but there's a big difference between seeing a still frame and seeing the actual moving picture.
Great work! I can't wait to see EPII in motion,IMO it's the one that needs the most work.
- Blacklodge
emanswfan said:
Another screenshot with nonanamorphic grain and proper filmic adjustments:
Why do I suddenly and for the first time believe that Coruscant is a real place?
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
Two more screenshots here:
Another image from the coruscant night city scene (keeping with the modern 35mm look of the previous image):
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/35986
I'm certainly still tweaking this one, I'm not nearly satisfied with it yet. But this is what I'm trying to get at if I want an older looking 35mm feel (something similar to technicolor):
Emanswfan once again your screen shots look amazing! Please keep it up! As one faneditor to another I would love to redo mine with your full colour and 35mm effect corrections if thats ok with you, of'course you'll get a name check and credit at the ending credits, so come on give us the three prequels:-)
Wow, that last one with Obi Wan looks amazing. The CGI backgrounds could pass for a very well done matte painting. I've been watching a lot of Hitchcock films as of late and that shot looks very Hitchcockish. Throw in James Stewart. That would be an interesting film. Star Wars starring James Stewart, Directed by Alfred Hitchcock.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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Removing the HORRIBLE blue tint REALLY helps! Great work!
emanswfan said:
Jetrell Fo said:
With the DTS audio available for these theatrical releases it could prove to be quite a nice set of creations for the fans.
Yes, these will be released with 6.1 DTS-MA tracks like the blurays. I may age the audio a bit. I'll probably add some warping, old tube compression, slight clipping from time to time, and some EQ to make the audio match the theatrical sound of ANH. I'll also try to make the audio sound more on-set, as too many times voices sound dubbed.
Interesting concept for a project. I often thought the prequels lacked some visual character, probably due to II / III using the digital cams.
One thing, and it's just my 2 cents. I don't really know about messing with the audio to the extreme you're thinking.
Not sure I'm down with purposely making all of those changes. Perhaps the thought is less extreme that what you'll end up doing, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents here as "not hugely into all of those ideas on the audio"
One problem I have with many modern movies is the over use of the available dynamic range - dialog being barely audible, other effects nearly blowing your ears out. Not that it's really even a major issue with the prequels, but perhaps a small amount of dynamic range reduction in the form of light compression, topped with a light bit of EQ work wouldn't hurt.. certainly a lot of things to consider, but I'd rather not hear warping, lol ;) ... also, "old tube compression" can be interesting, who knows. I guess it's the "warping" bit that caught my attention, haha.
Carry on. Can't wait to see the results!
edit: and yes, some of the color changes are nice :) Hopefully the final bit seems more like a FILM than a cold digital capture. Interesting stuff, and I do dig the idea.