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The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 30

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brash_stryker said:

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muddyknees2000 said:

As much as I agree with this idea...

what about... His confrontation with Dooku for example? 

And what of the end battle with Sidious?

removing Yoda from the PT would be a major overhaul.

Hmm.. I guess PT:R won't be as radical an edit as I was hoping... :/

I always figured these scenes would be on the cutting room floor in Revisited, personally. Once you remove all the crap from the PT, all that really remains Yoda-wise, is the council chamber scenes. Of course the issue still remains of the film needing padding out with all that's being cut, but that's where people like muddyknees2000 come in ;)

Again.....this was just specualtion on my part. Go look at the PT for yourselves. Yes, I know for a fact that some stuff is being cut....but go back and count all the spots that Yoda is present......what's being suggested here (while a suggestion that I DO like) (VERY much) is more or less the exact opposite of what George did....he included Yoda as much as possible. That's going to be a difficult reversal.

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Oh totally. I've since edited my last post to make it clear I'm not downplaying how difficult it would be. I just think that with all ady has planned such as new mattes and backgrounds,  zooming in shots to tighten the focus, I think it would be very possible to remove Yoda for much of the film.

Of course, ady probably won't even go for the idea, but I think he definitely should consider it if it's possible.

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Rather than imagine replacing Yoda with another small character wouldn't it be easier to replace him with a character witha  large silhouette.  For example a different small character could involve masking Yoda out, then replacing the background and adding the new character in.  Or just carefully matching the head angles and masking and replacing just the head (and recolouring the hands or something).  Whereas if you had a human sized character with a wide cape you could just cover over Yoda in most of his scenes.  This might involve rescaling certain shots and backgrounds do to the height change, but overall I think it would be less work. 

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I've always felt that there is more of a surprise in store for the audience in the OT having seen PT Yoda. At first you're in shock that he has gone nuts. Then you're surprised that he hasn't actually.

A lot more than most people here, I find that I'm happy seeing anything done to ANY of the films to make them work as a 6-part series. The truth is that the PT sets things up on a very huge stage, and the OT really presents a much smaller, focused world. Yoda as a "distant, unseen" mentor is hard to buy for three full movies (and an absence in the fourth) when space travel seems so easy and to take almost no time at all. Sure for a couple movies, you can do that, but then you expect to see some sort of interaction with this far off character.

Perhaps Yoda could be in his home on Dagobah during the events of The Phantom Menace, shown only through a hologram, up until perhaps the ending of the film. The Sith returning would flush him out of solitude, at which point he would return to the Temple for the rest of the PT, until he is defeated in Ep. 3 and returns home, now exiled.

It might be cool to see Yoda in his hut, with a hologram of Anakin as a boy, giving his "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering" lecture. You could switch back and forth between the council room and Yoda's hut throughout the scene. Yoda scenes would be much easier to film as well, I would think. You could show the back and forth for nearly every sequence he is a part of.

He then is shown leaving Dagobah on a ship right around the time that Obi/Qui-Gon head back to Naboo. That way he has arrived in time to be at the funeral, and to tell Obi-Wan "Your apprentice, Skywalker will be..."

an added sequence somewhere in there could have a Samuel J lookalike (or some random Jedi) asking: Master Yoda, if this is true, what must we do?

"If return, the Sith have, my time to return, it is as well." It could be built up to a huge moment, with some sort of triumphant return music.

Just a small thought ;)

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I would say that it is potentially something usable, but my thought is, as with any idea for ST edit ideas: How much does it add?

This is simply a way to remove Yoda from the main story for mostly just one film (phantom menace) and that to me doesn't change the quality of the ST much at all. For me I wouldn't want to spend my time on it when more pressing matters are present. 

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I think in my most ideally imagined edit, Yoda would be replaced by Dooku as a jedi in TPM, and then Yoda would just be cut from AotC and RotS, with most of his role being filled by Mace and possibly another jedi.  As for having Yoda be built up until ESB without shedding any light on it, I would rather he only be referred to twice at most, a passing comment from Obi Wan that Yoda trained him, then maybe another comment by someone suggesting Yoda was the greatest Jedi but is no longer with them.  This could even be interpretted as Yoda being dead, so the audience wouldn't be waiting for him to pop up, and would add to the excitement to see him in ESB. 

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Although I do not know if replacing taking yoda's place is best for him, I completely laud any increased screen time for Dooku, a much better potential for a villain than Grievance.

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Akratus said:

Although I do not know if replacing taking yoda's place is best for him, I completely laud any increased screen time for Dooku, a much better potential for a villain than Grievance.

Yup.

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Johannus said:

Rather than imagine replacing Yoda with another small character wouldn't it be easier to replace him with a character witha  large silhouette.  For example a different small character could involve masking Yoda out, then replacing the background and adding the new character in.  Or just carefully matching the head angles and masking and replacing just the head (and recolouring the hands or something).  Whereas if you had a human sized character with a wide cape you could just cover over Yoda in most of his scenes.  This might involve rescaling certain shots and backgrounds do to the height change, but overall I think it would be less work. 

My point about simply covering him up with a larger character is that it doesn't work. The angles are all wrong. In scenes where Yoda is shown interacting with others the camera angles reflect his height (or lack of it), and putting in a full sized character would mean that at the angles used we would be looking at their knees or feet.....or, in the case of the reverse angle being used, all the way up the length of their body to their face, way up at the top of the frame. The only instance where what you talk about is achievable is the scene where Yoda is talking to Obi and Mace(?) and is sitting on the hover chair.....in that one scene he is at aproximately the same height as everyone else. Everywhere else you have the problem of high or low camera angles, bad eyelines (assuming you wanted to use a full height character instead of Yoda), backgrounds being off due to the camera angles......it just doesn't work.....not simply by overlapping him with a bigger/taller character.

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Does anyone know what Ady's plans are when it comes to the looks of the films? There is a huge difference between the way the two trilogies were made. So what I would like to see, as some of you might too, is to see the prequel trilogy to be color corrected to be more in line with the original trilogy. Possibly some effects or designs could be removed or replaced to give the sense more that this is one setting, and not just scifi designs of different decades. Because as we can all see there is just a bit too big of a difference between the two trilogy, even though the original is supposed to take place further in the future.

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Akratus said:

Does anyone know what Ady's plans are when it comes to the looks of the films? There is a huge difference between the way the two trilogies were made. So what I would like to see, as some of you might too, is to see the prequel trilogy to be color corrected to be more in line with the original trilogy. Possibly some effects or designs could be removed or replaced to give the sense more that this is one setting, and not just scifi designs of different decades. Because as we can all see there is just a bit too big of a difference between the two trilogy, even though the original is supposed to take place further in the future.

I think that'll be the absolute minimum Ady will do. There's going to be a lot of miniatures replacing previously CG shots if I recall.

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adywan said:

Lord Haseo said:

Has anyone else noticed that Adywan taking out the Darth Vader scenes in ROTS doesn't keep the "No, I am your father" reveal a secret until ESB? I've read on facebook that the last we see of Anakin in ROTS is when he's on that medical stretcher thing on Coruscant after he was beaten by Obi-Wan. We can obviously assume that he survived without being shown how he exactly got put into the suit. Plus, before Vader and Obi-Wan duel Vader says " I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master." Anyone with half a brain can come to the conclusion that Vader is Anakin. Also, when Aunt Beru says "He has too much of his father in him." and Uncle Owen responds "That's what I'm afraid of." you don't think anyone is going to come to the obvious conclusion that Vader is Luke's father after Obi-Wan and Vader's conversation if they are watching this in order? 


Where on facebook did you read that, because i'm pretty sure i haven't said that at all because that was never in my plans.

False.

 

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We have all seen the films so there is not any surprise left unless it is an edit you don't see coming....

For me the OT is the main part of it for revisited.... Apart from filming a new set of PT movies it is a wreck.....

A prequel story would suffice 1 movie done well in the style of the OT

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Ronster said:

We have all seen the films so there is not any surprise left unless it is an edit you don't see coming....

For me the OT is the main part of it for revisited.... Apart from filming a new set of PT movies it is a wreck.....

A prequel story would suffice 1 movie done well in the style of the OT

The surprises being left in are for people who are new to the franchise. I know.....the idea that anyone hasn't seen Star Wars is asinine...I know >_>

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I have a friend who hasn't seen any Star Wars, I would introduce it to him as soon as Revisited Saga is finished.  And trust me, he actually doesn't know like any of the twists.

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The 2nd "Nooo" Luke says when Vader tells him that he is his son should be removed. The 1st "NOOOOO" was perfect, but the 2nd one sounds really awkward and every time I watch this scene it just pulls me right out of it. Tell me I'm not alone in this thought...

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Lord Haseo said:

The 2nd "Nooo" Luke says when Vader tells him that he is his son should be removed. The 1st "NOOOOO" was perfect, but the 2nd one sounds really awkward and every time I watch this scene it just pulls me right out of it. Tell me I'm not alone in this thought...

No.. you aren't alone. I've even heard Mark Hamill say that he finds his reaction there hard to watch. But I don't think it would be right to change it for Revisited. Then again, I wouldn't protest either...

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Lord Haseo said:

The 2nd "Nooo" Luke says when Vader tells him that he is his son should be removed. The 1st "NOOOOO" was perfect, but the 2nd one sounds really awkward and every time I watch this scene it just pulls me right out of it. Tell me I'm not alone in this thought...

Did you just suggest changing the dialogue in the most perfect, the most famous, the most iconic and the most celebrated scene in the history of cinema???

Lord Haseo are you George Lucas in disguise trolling this revisted thread? ;-)

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Lord Haseo said:

The 2nd "Nooo" Luke says when Vader tells him that he is his son should be removed. The 1st "NOOOOO" was perfect, but the 2nd one sounds really awkward and every time I watch this scene it just pulls me right out of it. Tell me I'm not alone in this thought...

Did you just suggest changing the dialogue in the most perfect, the most famous, the most iconic and the most celebrated scene in the history of cinema???

Lord Haseo are you George Lucas in disguise trolling this revisted thread? ;-)

It's not perfect. Watch the scene and watch it in its entirety. Then re watch it and after Luke says his first "No" pause it and skip to 1:34. You'll see what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peh2T2543ec

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Lord Haseo said:

Ronster said:

We have all seen the films so there is not any surprise left unless it is an edit you don't see coming....

For me the OT is the main part of it for revisited.... Apart from filming a new set of PT movies it is a wreck.....

A prequel story would suffice 1 movie done well in the style of the OT

The surprises being left in are for people who are new to the franchise. I know.....the idea that anyone hasn't seen Star Wars is asinine...I know >_>

There are lot's of people out there that have not seen Star Wars either because it's not what they are interested in or because they just have not seen it yet.

The thing is someone who has not seen Star Wars yet is very unlikely to see a revisited version before seeing the the Special Edition first... Unless like Emanswfan says you introduce it to someone who has not seen it.

So although it is a nice thought Leaving in surprises of what might have been or what should have been in most cases the surprise will have been ruined already unless the story is changed.

But what you are saying about this rings true that the PT had no real twists in the plot...or any attempt of a plot twist was so poorly executed you could see it coming from a mile away and then it just happened and... I was like "yeah, I knew that"

As for Luke's Noooo! Nooo! my response to you is 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

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Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Lord Haseo said:

The 2nd "Nooo" Luke says when Vader tells him that he is his son should be removed. The 1st "NOOOOO" was perfect, but the 2nd one sounds really awkward and every time I watch this scene it just pulls me right out of it. Tell me I'm not alone in this thought...

Did you just suggest changing the dialogue in the most perfect, the most famous, the most iconic and the most celebrated scene in the history of cinema???

Lord Haseo are you George Lucas in disguise trolling this revisted thread? ;-)

It's not perfect. Watch the scene and watch it in its entirety. Then re watch it and after Luke says his first "No" pause it and skip to 1:34. You'll see what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peh2T2543ec

Naturally I already did rewatch it before commenting on your suggestion and I still say it lacks the emotion of Luke's full howl of anguish. However it seems you've got your wish anyway...

^ Click image to watch this newly leaked video clip from Disney©. Might need to watch it a couple of times to see the changes.

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Ronster said:

Lol this one is for real...:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jfHfPr8nY0

Luke Ahhhh

and again Ahhhhhh

Sounds nothing like Hamil but interesting

and some kind of Mozart classical score...

LOVIN THAT! ^

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I am wondering if that is also a different explosion for the AT-AT being destroyed but weather it is only because we don't see any debris?

Either way interesting clip eh?