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If it wasnt for the fact that itd be really hard to pull off convincingly, i would love to see Leia give the speech - she was a Senator, after all. ive always thought RotJ cheapened her character and made her seem weak. Perhaps this could be slightly redemptive.

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I think the idea of a speech is terribly evocative of the PT's spoonfeeding of the audience. The OT was great because it could convey things purely through visuals IMO.

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nightstalkerpoet said:

If it wasnt for the fact that itd be really hard to pull off convincingly, i would love to see Leia give the speech - she was a Senator, after all. ive always thought RotJ cheapened her character and made her seem weak. Perhaps this could be slightly redemptive.

When you put it in terms of Leia giving the speech I actually think it would really be a wow factor but impossible to pull off... Radio Drama? Star Tours footage?

on  very simple thought of an idea of connecting our universe to that galaxy far far away.

Why do we never see these distant travelers?

 

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brash_stryker said:

I think the idea of a speech is terribly evocative of the PT's spoonfeeding of the audience. The OT was great because it could convey things purely through visuals IMO.

I agree - to a certain extent. However, I never have found the Ewok Village Celebration to be a good end to what is supposed to be an epic 6 film saga. At the same time, I think that the every world riot celebration is a little bit over the top, as it implies that the whole Empire has fallen. I think a speech gives a nice in between, telling that a big battle was won, but the war is not over - The visuals have never said that for me.

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IF Ady keeps the ending as is....which he has already stated he is not. Who knows, a speech sequence like that could preface an all new dialogue-less ending...?

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^^ True, I forgot about the no-dialogue thing at the end of each movie.

They always end with nice montages accompanied by music.

Ah well. I still dig the idea, maybe it can be something incorporated somewhere else for a different rotj edit one day.

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I look forward to the new ending :-)

I wonder how much the RotJ Yoda puppet will be changed? The face always seemed a bit off to me compared to ESB.

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adywan said:

I've figured out a way of Obi-wan having a pupil that has turned to the dark side and that's why Yoda is reluctant for him to train Anakin.

If you have ever addressed this directly then I apologise, however, this suggests you are planning to keep Yoda in the prequels.  It would be a shame to go to all the trouble of keeping the Anakin/Vader surprise, and not even consider keeping the crazy green muppet/most powerful jedi master surprise. 

Sure a lot of existing footage would require a lot of work to remove Yoda completely, but maybe send Liam Neeson an early copy of ESB:R or something with a persuasive note suggesting you may need him to film a few new scenes. 

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Johannus said:

Sure a lot of existing footage would require a lot of work to remove Yoda completely, but maybe send Liam Neeson an early copy of ESB:R or something with a persuasive note suggesting you may need him to film a few new scenes. 

He's "Taken 3" desperate....not "unpaid fan-edit" desperate...

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I think its a little harsh to call him desperate, I think he's bloody brilliant.  Though you are probably right, it falls well inside the realm of 'long shot'.  This is why Ady could probably come up with a far better way to remove Yoda from the prequels.

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As i have said before, there isn't a Yoda surprise. It was a surprise meant for Luke and not the audience. If it was meant to be a surprise then they wouldn't have used him in the promotional material prior to the films release.

I've seen fans that try to explain Yoda's crazy behaviour when we first see him as it being down to him living secluded so long on Dagobah. But this is completely wrong. He is only acting that way to fool Luke. It was more of a test to see if Luke was open minded enough to think that this little green goblin could be the greatest jedi master. he failed.

So there really isn't a problem with having Yoda in the prequels. No surprises spoilt.

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muddyknees2000 said:

Johannus said:

Sure a lot of existing footage would require a lot of work to remove Yoda completely, but maybe send Liam Neeson an early copy of ESB:R or something with a persuasive note suggesting you may need him to film a few new scenes. 

He's "Taken 3" desperate....not "unpaid fan-edit" desperate...

^ Not beyond the realms of possibility. Stars do funny skits, voiceovers and whatnot sometimes. They get bored and fancy a giggle like the rest of us. A-listers work for free sometimes just because they want to be involved in something. Not sure that Neeson would want to revisit SW (He nearly quit acting he hated TPM so much) but I could see Sam Jackson being up for PT:Revisted.

He does movies all the time for lower pay just for fun. He did Snakes On a Plane for the hell of it and did Deep Blue Sea just so he could die. He's a big Star Wars geek like the rest of us so it might be worth posting him a copy of OT:Revisted. You'd have to work round his schedule to make it super easy.

You could do alot of fixing with him onboard to film scenes.

Also Ewan strikes me as the sort of bloke who'd do something like Revisted just for the story to tell.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

^ Not beyond the realms of possibility. Stars do funny skits, voiceovers and whatnot sometimes. They get bored and fancy a giggle like the rest of us. A-listers work for free sometimes just because they want to be involved in something. Not sure that Neeson would want to revisit SW (He nearly quit acting he hated TPM so much) but I could see Sam Jackson being up for PT:Revisted.

He does movies all the time for lower pay just for fun. He did Snakes On a Plane for the hell of it and did Deep Blue Sea just so he could die. He's a big Star Wars geek like the rest of us so it might be worth posting him a copy of OT:Revisted. You'd have to work round his schedule to make it super easy.

You could do alot of fixing with him onboard to film scenes.

Also Ewan strikes me as the sort of bloke who'd do something like Revisted just for the story to tell.

Neeson did do a little voice work for the Clone Wars series so he doesn't seem entirely anti Star Wars, though it really was only a joke when I suggested it.  I do agree with your comments about Sam Jackson and Ewan though.  Most of the speculation about an Obi Wan spin off film is due to Ewan's comments expressing he wants to do one. 

Thanks for the reply Ady.  I think even though Yoda's act is for Luke, it remains a nice little surprise for the audience the first time it you see it.  Though as this won't be the first time I see it, I'm still confident I will enjoy your edits even with Yoda.

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This is just a thought... and an unfinished one at that...

But does anybody else think the Empire should refer to the Death Star with a different name? Seems to me that "Death Star" should be a slang term the Rebellion uses to show what a terrible weapon this thing really is. Also, it seems a bit silly for the bad guys to call their battle station something so obviously evil. Wouldn't they be promoting this thing as something that is here for the good of the people while secretly using it to enforce their own agenda? And, if so, wouldn't naming it "The Death Star" kinda blow the lid on that?

Not that the citizens of the universe could really do anything about it at this point, but... I dunno. Guess it just seems a bit on the nose. Might as well name it "The Evil Empire's Big Scary Kill Machine".

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I think the Empire get off on butch names for their hardware.

Stardestroyer - Avenger, Executor, Devastator and Tyrant plus Stormtroopers is pretty evil. Death Star sounds evil but I imagine that was the point when they designed a weapon of mass genocide on an almost unimaginable scale.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

I think the Empire get off on butch names for their hardware.

Stardestroyer - Avenger, Executor, Devastator and Tyrant plus Stormtroopers is pretty evil.

I dunno.. To me, all of those things sound Nazi-esuqe. Which isn't to say they don't sound Intimidating, but if you were living a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, calling a large battle ship a "Stardestroyer" doesn't seem to be a term you'd find anymore alarming than calling a plane with mass destruction capabilities a "Bomber" here on Earth during WW2.

But a "Death Star"....

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Death Star sounds evil but I imagine that was the point when they designed a weapon of mass genocide on an almost unimaginable scale.

haha that's true...

Like I said, it's just a half-thought, but there's something there... I just haven't figured it out yet lol

What got me thinking about it is Lando's line "We'll last longer than we will against that "Death Star"!...." the way Billy Dee-livers that line makes "Death Star" sound like it's a nickname they've given it. So I'm thinking...

What if the Empire refers to it as the "Iron Star"- a giant space station from which they can watch and govern the galaxy. It's a giant, galaxy cruising big brother, able to survey lawbreakers, catch them and even imprison them right inside. What they aren't saying is that it also has the ability to destroy an entire planet with little more than the flick of a switch. The Rebels then give it the name Death Star in their own anti-Empire propaganda.

And I'm still not sure where I'm going here....

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adywan said:

As i have said before, there isn't a Yoda surprise. It was a surprise meant for Luke and not the audience. If it was meant to be a surprise then they wouldn't have used him in the promotional material prior to the films release.

I've seen fans that try to explain Yoda's crazy behaviour when we first see him as it being down to him living secluded so long on Dagobah. But this is completely wrong. He is only acting that way to fool Luke. It was more of a test to see if Luke was open minded enough to think that this little green goblin could be the greatest jedi master. he failed.

So there really isn't a problem with having Yoda in the prequels. No surprises spoilt.

I've got to respectfully disagree with this logic. The prequels were always touted as being about Anakin Skywalker's journey to becoming Darth Vader, to the extent that the Vader breathing accompanied Anakin at every damn opportunity in the trailers, and you only have to remember the poster of Jake Lloyd with Vader's shadow. It was made clear to the audience from day one that he's going to become Darth Vader - it doesn't mean that we SHOULD have known and you're quite rightly addressing this in your edit and working to preserve the reveal in ESB.

By that same logic, just because the audience knew what Yoda looked like from the promotional material released before the film, doesn't mean we SHOULD have known. In my opinion, it's quite obvious he was meant to fool us as well as Luke - I mean, I never saw this promotional material prior to the film and therefore I personally never knew it was Yoda until Luke did, so I think this needs to be preserved for those watching it with fresh eyes without prior spoilers. Had you not seen these spoilers yourself in 1980, it may have been a surprise for you as it was for me when I first saw it.

I still think we shouldn't SEE Yoda until ESB. We should either hear mention of him or we should only hear his voice along with a hologram that doesn't actually reflect his real appearance (which is also a nice homage to the Wizard of Oz which is exactly the kind of thing OT Lucas used to do)

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I have been thinking about this some more and I agree that the promotional material showing Yoda shouldn't be considered a good reason for the surprise not being for the audience.  Look at the posters for The Two Towers.  Gandalf was plastered across them, and it did spoil a surprise for people who didn't know the story.  I would say that is much less the case with the Yoda example from ESB.  Furthermore, I think the surprise with Yoda is twofold.  Firstly that the little green guy is Yoda, and secondly when he lifts the X-Wing from the swamp.  Up to that point neither the audience or Luke has seen the force used to lift something so big.  Which is why personally, I think not only should Yoda's appearance be kept secret until ESB, but also before that we should only see large creatures use the force, and not to do anything on par with lifting the X-Wing.  It spoils the scene in ESB the same way that Dooku using sith lightning spoils the scene in RotJ.

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I've always thought Luke being told to seek Yoda out in ESB should have been a momentous occasion for the audience as we're finally getting to meet this character previously shrouded in mystery and given almost mythological status. It also serves to emphasise the desperate situation the galaxy is in - this boy without any training is now the galaxy's last hope and being granted an audience with Yoda. THE Yoda. I mean OMG!

Instead we just see the same guy we saw in the prequels (no more remarkable than any another Jedi and just happens to be small and green and did acrobatics)

It should be a shock to be expecting this formidable Jedi Master whose reputation has been built up in the prequels but we then find out things aren't always as they appear to be and size matters not. 

I do seriously hope Ady reconsiders :)

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brash_stryker said:

this boy without any training is now the galaxy's last hope and being granted an audience with Yoda. THE Yoda. 

As much as I agree with this idea (whether or not the promo material ruined the surprise....fan edits CAN and DO change the meaning of films all the time...that's kind of the point)......it IS a difficult one to achieve. SO much time was devoted to Yoda in the PT that removing the footage would be fairly difficult. 

I think having him absent, but mentioned, (as Brash has explained) builds him up nicely for a reveal in ESB....BUT....how do you do this if you plan on removing him from the PT? Ok, sure....some shots can have him substituted with a hologram.....you can even intentionally mask his appearance and somehow explain that Yoda WANTED to hide his appearance because he could distantly sense that the Sith were possibly returning and that one day his hidden identity might serve a greater purpose (the PT needed more Force perception like this)......BUT, what about scenes where you CAN'T replace him with a hologram? His confrontation with Dooku for example? Even if you want to heavily cut into scenes, and remove much of what IS there.....the stuff that remains is shot from very specific angles, corresponding to Yoda's diminutive stature. If you're going to flat out replace with with someone else then you have to consider a Jedi like Even Piel (spelling?....am I even using the right name?) (The friggin little pink guy with the huge downturned Yoda ears). And what of the end battle with Sidious? Yoda's all over that thing......take Yoda out and you're lookin at a 30 min movie (I'm exaggerating but you get my point). 

This isn't to say I wouldn't like to see it done...and I am certainly willing to shoot the required material that Ady needs for whatever he wants to do with the PT....but removing Yoda from the PT would be a major overhaul.

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brash_stryker said:

It should be a shock to be expecting this formidable Jedi Master whose reputation has been built up in the prequels but we then find out things aren't always as they appear to be and size matters not. 

I do seriously hope Ady reconsiders :)

This all the way!

muddyknees2000 said:

As much as I agree with this idea...

what about... His confrontation with Dooku for example? 

And what of the end battle with Sidious?

removing Yoda from the PT would be a major overhaul.

Hmm.. I guess PT:R won't be as radical an edit as I was hoping... :/

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ray_afraid said:

Hmm.. I guess PT:R won't be as radical an edit as I was hoping... :/

Don't get me wrong....I'm not saying he WON'T be doing some of these things. BUT....I personally am seriously doubting that Yoda can be more or less excised from the PT to build an anticipation of his eventual reveal in ESB.......I just think he's too present in the PT for this to happen. This is personal guesswork....not official word from Ady.

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ray_afraid said:

muddyknees2000 said:

As much as I agree with this idea...

what about... His confrontation with Dooku for example? 

And what of the end battle with Sidious?

removing Yoda from the PT would be a major overhaul.

Hmm.. I guess PT:R won't be as radical an edit as I was hoping... :/

I always figured these scenes would be on the cutting room floor in Revisited, personally. Once you remove all the crap from the PT, all that really remains Yoda-wise, is the council chamber scenes. Of course the issue still remains of the film needing padding out with all that's being cut, but that's where people like muddyknees2000 come in ;)

Oh and I'm definitely not downplaying how difficult this would be. It's a massive undertaking.